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Russiagate saw about a dozen Trump underlings convicted or pleading guilty. Let's hope Epsteingate is as productive in snaring the creeps.


Don't know that any "underlings" are guilty of anything but maybe obstruction of justice. Matt Gaetz's pedo problem isn't related to Trump's problems. But if there was a conspiracy to block the investigation,that could take down some perps at the top of the Justice Department.

Point is, Russiagate is a good analogy. Republicans claimed it was a witch hunt until one criminal after another was taken down. So far, just two nailed in the Epstein affair, but now the facts are starting to surface and it looks like Trump had a very good reason for trying to cover it up.
Russiagate led to some convictions that had nothing to do with Russiagate itself. Which is pretty much the definition of a witch hunt.
 
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LOL. It was brought you by Trump's own conspiratorial base and Trump, Bannon, Patel, aka his circle ran with it.
This is a case of being hoisted by one's own petard.
You don't understand. Russiagate was a joke. A colossal production that turned out to be a nothingburger. Epsteingate will likely amount to nothing more than theater as well.
 
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Russiagate led to some convictions that had nothing to do with Russiagate itself. Which is pretty much the definition of a witch hunt.
Lying about contacts with Russia has something to do with Russiagate.
 
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Lying about contacts with Russia has something to do with Russiagate.
Irrelevant. Russiagate was not about simply having contacts with Russians. The fact they lied about it was stupid. And they deserved whatever they got. But there was never anything shown to have occurred for the reasons the investigation began in the first place. In other words. Russia gate was a hoax.
 
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LOL. It was brought you by Trump's own conspiratorial base and Trump, Bannon, Patel, aka his circle ran with it.
This is a case of being hoisted by one's own petard.
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-- A2SG, tried to stop myself, couldn't do it.....
 
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You don't understand. Russiagate was a joke. A colossal production that turned out to be a nothingburger. Epsteingate will likely amount to nothing more than theater as well.
Russiagate was not a joke. The Trump admin was working directly and indirectly with Russians for the benefit of their campaign.
 
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Irrelevant. Russiagate was not about simply having contacts with Russians. The fact they lied about it was stupid. And they deserved whatever they got. But there was never anything shown to have occurred for the reasons the investigation began in the first place. In other words. Russia gate was a hoax.
The US is appraised by one of it's fellow Five Eye nations that a Trump official is making known his connections with Russians, Russia's willingness to help the campaign, and the officials willingness to be receptive to that help. Then he lies to the FBI about. So either the FBI ignores it all, or it investigates the matter. To say that is not a premise of investigation is just false. The IG report of the investigation came to the same conclusion.
 
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Russiagate was not a joke. The Trump admin was working directly and indirectly with Russians for the benefit of their campaign.
And? Russiagate was supposed to result in the downfall of the Trump administration according to all the commentary from the left. Compared to what they were predicting and hoping for, the whole thing ended up as a nothingburger joke. It gave the right a hardy laugh at its anticlimactic end. That will likely be the same result with Epsteingate.
 
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Russiangate ended with indictments and convictions of about a dozen Trump underlings who had lied about their meetings/collusion with Russian agents. Trump's own National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his involvement.

And yeah most of the criminals in Watergate didn't actually take part in the burglary. Lying and covering up the crime took most of them down. That's how it always works.
the whole thing ended up as a nothingburger joke.
All the perps who were convicted or pleaded guilty to felonies didn't think so. Granted, Trump pardoned most of them, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't mean they aren't criminals or that the collusion didn't happen. Reality matters.
 
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Now in a minimum security facility, not available to sex offenders generally.
Plus catered meals and puppy petting privileges!
Point is, Russiagate is a good analogy. Republicans claimed it was a witch hunt until one criminal after another was taken down.
Until? If only....see posts #34, #41, #42, #44, #48......so far, in this thread alone.
Russiagate was a fraud and a hoax perpetuated by the progressive left wing liberals upon the American people.
It's so meta! The real hoax is labeling Russiagate a hoax.
 
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And? Russiagate was supposed to result in the downfall of the Trump administration according to all the commentary from the left. Compared to what they were predicting and hoping for, the whole thing ended up as a nothingburger joke. It gave the right a hardy laugh at its anticlimactic end. That will likely be the same result with Epsteingate.
A lot of people were never exposed to the findings of those investigations.

Ive come to realize how much people want their preferences reinforced rather than challenged,
 
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Russiangate ended with indictments and convictions of about a dozen Trump underlings who had lied about their meetings/collusion with Russian agents. Trump's own National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his involvement.

And yeah most of the criminals in Watergate didn't actually take part in the burglary. Lying and covering up the crime took most of them down. That's how it always works.

All the perps who were convicted or pleaded guilty to felonies didn't think so. Granted, Trump pardoned most of them, for obvious reasons. But that doesn't mean they aren't criminals or that the collusion didn't happen. Reality matters.
Yeah sure, that's what people on the left were rooting for and hoping for. People most of the public never heard of before getting busted for perjury and such.
 
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Yeah sure, that's what people on the left were rooting for and hoping for. People most of the public never heard of before getting busted for perjury and such.
Your mind-reading act is not very good.
 
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Your mind-reading act is not very good.
You consider reading and hearing what people had to say about it as mind reading? Okie dokie.
And? Russiagate was supposed to result in the downfall of the Trump administration according to all the commentary from the left. Compared to what they were predicting and hoping for, the whole thing ended up as a nothingburger joke. It gave the right a hardy laugh at its anticlimactic end. That will likely be the same result with Epsteingate.
 
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You consider reading and hearing what people had to say about it as mind reading? Okie dokie.
Maybe you could show us this "all the commentary from the left".

But what I remember (and see from my own writings and those of others at the time) is not that it was supposed to bring the 'downfall of the Trump Administration', but no more and no less than that there was collusion between the incoming Trump Administration and Russia, and as things progressed, people in Trump's orbit were being fired, convicted, or both for the cover-up.

Then (as now) some Trump supporters were willingly oblivious to what was happening. And the cognitive dissonance of the convictions from a 'hoax' drove them to fanciful extremes of coping

If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, 'Hold on a second. I need to check with the president if it's true,’” said Mark Lee, one of six Trump voters to appear on a CNN panel Monday morning.
 
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Russiagate was not a joke. The Trump admin was working directly and indirectly with Russians for the benefit of their campaign.
That was NEVER proven that he cooperated or colluded with Russia to interfere with the election. That was a hoax. The only campaign that actually did it was Clinton.
 
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And? Russiagate was supposed to result in the downfall of the Trump administration according to all the commentary from the left. Compared to what they were predicting and hoping for, the whole thing ended up as a nothingburger joke. It gave the right a hardy laugh at its anticlimactic end. That will likely be the same result with Epsteingate.
One would think being convicted of felons would be the downfall of the Trump admin. The willingness to investigate by congress, or indict by a DOJ does not dismiss the reality that Russia was in fact trying to help Trump win, and Trump et al were willing participants of that help, and their campaign manager was in fact working with Russians. That aint a nothing burger.
 
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The US is appraised by one of it's fellow Five Eye nations that a Trump official is making known his connections with Russians, Russia's willingness to help the campaign, and the officials willingness to be receptive to that help. Then he lies to the FBI about. So either the FBI ignores it all, or it investigates the matter. To say that is not a premise of investigation is just false. The IG report of the investigation came to the same conclusion.
According to what we know now they had nothing on Trump. However Obama wanted to pursue it anyway. He and Clinton were the ones who really tried to interfere with the election. Clinton with her fake dossier with Russian ties and Obama's push to investigate Trump to.make it look like he was interfering with Russia.
 
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Russiangate ended with indictments and convictions of about a dozen Trump underlings who had lied about their meetings/collusion with Russian agents. Trump's own National Security Advisor pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his involvement.
It ended with convictions over other things. Not a single person was indicted over colluding with Russia to try and interfere with the election.
Reality matters.
Yes it does. And Russiagate did not show that Trump colluded or cooperated with Russia. That's the reality. The real reality is that Clinton did and now we discovered the Obama administration interfered as well by pushing the narrative even though they didn't have anything.

Reality matters.
 
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That was NEVER proven that he cooperated or colluded with Russia to interfere with the election. That was a hoax. The only campaign that actually did it was Clinton.
FALSE

Russians were literally at Trump Tower working in agreement with the Trump's innermost circle to provide dirt against their opponent.
Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort admitted point blank he was working with Russians provided them campaign data.
 
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