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Does the Hebrew grammar of Daniel 9:24–27 support Christian Widener’s “double seventy-weeks” interpretation?
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The reason is because you have not put the sequences of events fitted to the 7 year frame work.
Look at your chart, for example. Where is day 1 of the seven years ? Where is day 2520 (the last day) of the 7 years ?
No one can understand your chart.
Make charts that have day 1 and day 2520 on them. Fit events to the 7 year frame work. For example....
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Revelation 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
No way is that mighty angel - Satan.
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I will be commenting on the verses soon.
But I have made.some discoverys that need a look at. But it's my belief that the 31/2. Mention in revelation is.always speaking of the last 3 1/2 yrs
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Do you mean the "time, times, half time" phrase ?
He is a table I made of all 15 time of the end time frames given in the bible, and how they fit within the 7 years. Note that the time, times, half time - fits as the second half of the 7 years.
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Perfect — here’s the Hebrew laid out vertically (straight down) so you can see the inversion visually, just as you requested:
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Daniel 9:25 — “Weeks 60, the second”
(emphasizing the second 60th week)
שָׁבֻעִים
shavuʿim — “weeks”
שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”
וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”
➡️ Order: “Weeks 60 and 2” — inverted phrasing, pointing to the 60th week within the second set.
(Focus on the singular ‘week’ as a specific event — “the week 60 of the second.”)
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Daniel 9:26 — “On the 62nd week”
(emphasizing the 62nd week of the first set)
הַשָּׁבֻעִים
ha-shavuʿim — “the weeks”
שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”
וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”
➡️ Order: “After the weeks 60 and 2” — the normal phrasing, referring to the 62 weeks completed in the first seventy-week cycle.
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Explanation of the Inversion
VerseOrderFocusEmphasis
9:25“Weeks 60 and 2”Second 60th weekInversion — draws attention to a specific week within the second 70-week set
9:26“After the weeks 60 and 2”First 62 weeksRegular order — refers to the whole span of the first cycle ending with Messiah’s coming
✅ Key Insight:
Verse 25’s phrasing isolates “week 60 of the second” — a pointed prophetic week of control and transition — whereas verse 26 uses the regular structure to close the first 62-week span, marking Messiah’s cutting off.
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Would you like me to show a side-by-side visual chart (left = v 25 “weeks 60 the second”, right = v 26 “62 weeks”) so the inversion can be clearly seen as mirrored columns?
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Daniel 9:25 — “Weeks 60, the second”
(emphasizing the second 60th week)
שָׁבֻעִים
shavuʿim — “weeks”
שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”
וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”
➡️ Order: “Weeks 60 and 2” — inverted phrasing, pointing to the 60th week within the second set.
(Focus on the singular ‘week’ as a specific event — “the week 60 of the second.”)
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Daniel 9:26 — “On the 62nd week”
(emphasizing the 62nd week of the first set)
הַשָּׁבֻעִים
ha-shavuʿim — “the weeks”
שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”
וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”
➡️ Order: “After the weeks 60 and 2” — the normal phrasing, referring to the 62 weeks completed in the first seventy-week cycle.
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Explanation of the Inversion
VerseOrderFocusEmphasis
9:25“Weeks 60 and 2”Second 60th weekInversion — draws attention to a specific week within the second 70-week set
9:26“After the weeks 60 and 2”First 62 weeksRegular order — refers to the whole span of the first cycle ending with Messiah’s coming
✅ Key Insight:
Verse 25’s phrasing isolates “week 60 of the second” — a pointed prophetic week of control and transition — whereas verse 26 uses the regular structure to close the first 62-week span, marking Messiah’s cutting off.
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Would you like me to show a side-by-side visual chart (left = v 25 “weeks 60 the second”, right = v 26 “62 weeks”) so the inversion can be clearly seen as mirrored columns?
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No, it is, in my opinion, nonsensical to read into the 70 Weeks prophecy 2 sets of 70 Weeks of years. Can you imagine if I told someone that the mail is coming in one week, but actually expect him or her to understand that as being two weeks?
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Daniel 9:25 — “Weeks 60, the second”
(emphasizing the second 60th week)
שָׁבֻעִים
shavuʿim — “weeks”
שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”
וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”
➡️ Order: “Weeks 60 and 2” — inverted phrasing, pointing to the 60th week within the second set.
(Focus on the singular ‘week’ as a specific event — “the week 60 of the second.”)
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Daniel 9:26 — “On the 62nd week”
(emphasizing the 62nd week of the first set)
הַשָּׁבֻעִים
ha-shavuʿim — “the weeks”
שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”
וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”
➡️ Order: “After the weeks 60 and 2” — the normal phrasing, referring to the 62 weeks completed in the first seventy-week cycle.
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Explanation of the Inversion
VerseOrderFocusEmphasis
9:25“Weeks 60 and 2”Second 60th weekInversion — draws attention to a specific week within the second 70-week set
9:26“After the weeks 60 and 2”First 62 weeksRegular order — refers to the whole span of the first cycle ending with Messiah’s coming
✅ Key Insight:
Verse 25’s phrasing isolates “week 60 of the second” — a pointed prophetic week of control and transition — whereas verse 26 uses the regular structure to close the first 62-week span, marking Messiah’s cutting off.
(emphasizing the second 60th week)
שָׁבֻעִים
shavuʿim — “weeks”
שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”
וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”
➡️ Order: “Weeks 60 and 2” — inverted phrasing, pointing to the 60th week within the second set.
(Focus on the singular ‘week’ as a specific event — “the week 60 of the second.”)
---
Daniel 9:26 — “On the 62nd week”
(emphasizing the 62nd week of the first set)
הַשָּׁבֻעִים
ha-shavuʿim — “the weeks”
שִׁשִּׁים
shishim — “sixty”
וּשְׁנַיִם
u-shenayim — “and two”
➡️ Order: “After the weeks 60 and 2” — the normal phrasing, referring to the 62 weeks completed in the first seventy-week cycle.
---
Explanation of the Inversion
VerseOrderFocusEmphasis
9:25“Weeks 60 and 2”Second 60th weekInversion — draws attention to a specific week within the second 70-week set
9:26“After the weeks 60 and 2”First 62 weeksRegular order — refers to the whole span of the first cycle ending with Messiah’s coming
✅ Key Insight:
Verse 25’s phrasing isolates “week 60 of the second” — a pointed prophetic week of control and transition — whereas verse 26 uses the regular structure to close the first 62-week span, marking Messiah’s cutting off.
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The Question of the Inversion (Daniel 9:25–26)
Why does the phrasing in Daniel 9:25 appear inverted—saying “weeks sixty and two”—while Daniel 9:26 preserves the more expected order, “after the sixty and two weeks”? This difference is not stylistic but structural. In verse 25, the noun שָׁבֻעִים (shāvuʿim, “weeks”) comes before the numbers, producing an inverted order:
שָׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם shāvuʿim shishim u-shenayim → “Weeks sixty and two.”
In verse 26, the order returns to normal and is introduced by the preposition אַחֲרֵי (’aḥarē, “after”), describing a completed period:
אַחֲרֵי הַשָּׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם ’aḥarē ha-shāvuʿim shishim u-shenayim → “After the sixty and two weeks
The Meaning of the Difference
The inversion in Daniel 9:25 (“weeks sixty and two”) intentionally draws attention to a specific week within the second set of seventy weeks—the second sixtieth week. By placing “weeks” first, the focus shifts from the completed total to the class of weeks itself, highlighting an active prophetic week within that second cycle of 70 weeks.
In contrast, Daniel 9:26 (“after the sixty and two weeks”) uses the normal Hebrew order to describe the completion of the first sixty-two weeks of the first seventy-week cycle, the period that ends with Messiah being “cut off.”
Summary
Verse Hebrew Order Translation Reference Emphasis
Daniel 9:25 שָׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם “Weeks 60 and 2” Second 70-week set Highlights the second 60th week — a specific prophetic event within the latter cycle Daniel 9:26 אַחֲרֵי הַשָּׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם “After the 60 and 2 weeks” First 70-week set Refers to the completed 62-week span ending with Messiah’s cutting off
✅ Key Insight
The Hebrew inversion separates two distinct prophetic frameworks.
Daniel 9:25 — “Weeks 60 and 2” → marks the second 60th week, the focal point of covenant strengthening and transition in the latter seventy-week administration.
Daniel 9:26 — “After the 60 and 2 weeks” → describes the conclusion of the first 62-week period, which ends in Messiah’s rejection.
Thus, the inversion functions as a deliberate prophetic divider: verse 25 isolates an active week within the future cycle, while verse 26 recounts the fulfilled span of the former one.
Why does the phrasing in Daniel 9:25 appear inverted—saying “weeks sixty and two”—while Daniel 9:26 preserves the more expected order, “after the sixty and two weeks”? This difference is not stylistic but structural. In verse 25, the noun שָׁבֻעִים (shāvuʿim, “weeks”) comes before the numbers, producing an inverted order:
שָׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם shāvuʿim shishim u-shenayim → “Weeks sixty and two.”
In verse 26, the order returns to normal and is introduced by the preposition אַחֲרֵי (’aḥarē, “after”), describing a completed period:
אַחֲרֵי הַשָּׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם ’aḥarē ha-shāvuʿim shishim u-shenayim → “After the sixty and two weeks
The Meaning of the Difference
The inversion in Daniel 9:25 (“weeks sixty and two”) intentionally draws attention to a specific week within the second set of seventy weeks—the second sixtieth week. By placing “weeks” first, the focus shifts from the completed total to the class of weeks itself, highlighting an active prophetic week within that second cycle of 70 weeks.
In contrast, Daniel 9:26 (“after the sixty and two weeks”) uses the normal Hebrew order to describe the completion of the first sixty-two weeks of the first seventy-week cycle, the period that ends with Messiah being “cut off.”
Summary
Verse Hebrew Order Translation Reference Emphasis
Daniel 9:25 שָׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם “Weeks 60 and 2” Second 70-week set Highlights the second 60th week — a specific prophetic event within the latter cycle Daniel 9:26 אַחֲרֵי הַשָּׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם “After the 60 and 2 weeks” First 70-week set Refers to the completed 62-week span ending with Messiah’s cutting off
✅ Key Insight
The Hebrew inversion separates two distinct prophetic frameworks.
Daniel 9:25 — “Weeks 60 and 2” → marks the second 60th week, the focal point of covenant strengthening and transition in the latter seventy-week administration.
Daniel 9:26 — “After the 60 and 2 weeks” → describes the conclusion of the first 62-week period, which ends in Messiah’s rejection.
Thus, the inversion functions as a deliberate prophetic divider: verse 25 isolates an active week within the future cycle, while verse 26 recounts the fulfilled span of the former one.
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Daniel 9:24-27 involves a 490-year timeline used to predict the coming of the Messiah. This interpretation begins with a decree to rebuild Jerusalem in 457 BC and ends with the stoning of Stephen in AD 34, with the final 3.5 years of the 70th week occurring after the Messiah's crucifixion in AD 31.
- Start: The prophecy's starting point is the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, which issued by King Artaxerxes in 457 BC.
- First period: The first 69 weeks (483 years) lead to the Messiah's "anointing" or baptism. This would be in 457 BC + 483 years, accounting for the lack of a year zero, which places this at AD 27.
- Middle of the 70th week: The prophecy states that the Messiah would be "cut off" (crucified) after the 69 weeks. this happened in the middle of the final, 70th week, which is 3.5 years after the baptism, placing the crucifixion in AD 31.
- End of the 70 weeks: The final 3.5 years of the 70th week were for the Messiah to confirm the covenant with Israel. This period ended with the rejection of Jesus by the nation as a whole and concluded with the stoning of Stephen in AD 34. This event is seen as marking the end of the 70 weeks and God's prophetic timetable for the Jewish nation, after which the gospel would be preached to the Gentiles.
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I am familiar with that outline, and I feel like this double 70 weeks in the true interpretation
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The graph indicates that the Daniel 9:27 covenant is made 30 days after the abomination in Jerusalem -
30 days after the start of the 1290 days. The covenant is 'cutting the great tribulation short'.
The 1260 days of the 2 witnesses are the exact 1st half of the covenant. It is occurring after the abomination in Jerusalem but before the abomination in Mystery Babylon ('Shinar' in Zech 5).
The end of the 1290 days is the mid-point of the 7 year covenant (1260 days into it). The end of the 1290 days is the 7th Trumpet.
Day 1335 is the 45th day into the '2nd half' of the 7 year covenant. The 2nd half (1260 days) is cut short to 45 days.
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2 Cor 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
Rev 12:9
9And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
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