The Final Experiment (Flat Earth Bites The Dust)

[Phil G]

Yes, and the Bible still states the shape of the earth to which Phil G stated that the bible doesn't state the shape of the earth, when it does.

No, you know quite well that you are playing with words. I was not referring to the Bible using the words "shape" and "earth" in the same sentence. I was referring to Bible not actually defining that shape.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes, and the Bible still states the shape of the earth to which Phil G stated that the bible doesn't state the shape of the earth, when it does.

But don't you see that the context of the words about the clay and the seal is not teaching the shape of the earth, but as the context makes clear, saying that the light that comes with the dawn causes the shape(s) of the earth (mountains, valleys, plains, etc.) to become appear clearly to our sight, whereas in the darkness they were hidden:

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

 

[Apple Sky]

The verse about stretching a line actually says (in the KJV which you seem to quote from):

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

No "across" there, is there?

Job 38:4 4Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched a measuring line across it? 6On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone

 

[Phil G]

Job 38:4 4Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched a measuring line across it? 6On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone

The Hebrew word used means "upon", not across. If you studied the Bible instead of just cherry picking verses and using versions to suit your belief, you would know this.

Strong's Hebrew: 5921. עַל (al) -- on, upon, over, against, concerning, because of, by, beside

 

[Apple Sky]

But don't you see that the context of the words about the clay and the seal is not teaching the shape of the earth, but as the context makes clear, saying that the light that comes with the dawn causes the shape(s) of the earth (mountains, valleys, plains, etc.) to become appear clearly to our sight, whereas in the darkness they were hidden:

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

Yes I agree, what I don't agree with is someone telling me 'that there no such verse that mentions the shape of the shape of the earth in the Bible' when there is.

 

[rambot]

Apple sky.

A lot of logical problems with your flat earth explanations have arisen and you haven't addressed a single one.

Are you planning on actually discussing your theory and clarifying all these points that us "nonthinkers" keep coming up with?

I mean.... You keep telling us to just "think". I assume these critiques are just really silly and easily explained...yet you don't bother.

Note: just posting words is not a discussion. You addressing the concerns raised would be an actual discussion.

 

[Phil G]

Yes I agree, what I don't agree with is someone telling me 'that there no such verse that mentions the shape of the shape of the earth in the Bible' when there is.

Stop being silly. You're just showing yourself up.

 

[David Lamb]

Job 38:4 4Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched a measuring line across it? 6On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone

Why does your quote of verse 5 differ from mine? Are you using a different translation to the KJV that you usually quote from?

Verses 4-6 which you quoted from some translation say this in the KJV:

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

So what translation were you quoting from?

 

[Phil G]

Apple sky.

A lot of logical problems with your flat earth explanations have arisen and you haven't addressed a single one.

Are you planning on actually discussing your theory and clarifying all these points that us "nonthinkers" keep coming up with?

I mean.... You keep telling us to just "think". I assume these critiques are just really silly and easily explained...yet you don't bother.

Note: just posting words is not a discussion. You addressing the concerns raised would be an actual discussion.

She can't, she doesn't understand any of it. She just "believes" it.

 

[rambot]

Yes I agree, what I don't agree with is someone telling me 'that there no such verse that mentions the shape of the shape of the earth in the Bible' when there is.

Have you considered that that explanation was from a 8000 whatever years ago written by a simple Shepard with no comprehension of an earth larger than his fields?

 

[Larniavc]

It is not going that fast. The earth takes 24 hours to rotate once, and 365 days to orbit the sun

It is quite fast though. 30km/s around the Sun.

 

[Phil G]

Why does your quote of verse 5 differ from mine? Are you using a different translation to the KJV that you usually quote from?

Verses 4-6 which you quoted from some translation say this in the KJV:

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

So what translation were you quoting from?

The KJV doesn't say what she wants it to say, so she found one version that does. The problem is the Hebrew word used does not mean across.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes I agree, what I don't agree with is someone telling me 'that there no such verse that mentions the shape of the shape of the earth in the Bible' when there is.

The shape of the shape the earth? What's that?

As Phil has said there are verses in the bible that contain the word "shape" and the word "earth". But there is no bible verse that says what the shape of the earth is.

 

[Phil G]

It is quite fast though. 30km/s around the Sun.

A bit boring to watch though. I'd be watching for a whole year for a home run!

 

[Phil G]

The shape of the shape the earth? What's that?

As Phil has said there are verses in the bible that contain the word "shape" and the word "earth". But there is no bible verse that says what the shape of the earth is.

She's just being flippant.

 

[David Lamb]

It is quite fast though. 30km/s around the Sun.

I was trying to get over the idea that it is hardly "zooming" at some unbelievable speed, as Apple Sky suggested.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And once again, it doesn't stop it from being true.

Except that it's not true.

 

[Hentenza]

It's flat & level.

Job 38:4-11
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. / Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched a measuring line across it? / On what were its foundations set, or who laid its cornerstone.

You can't stretch a measuring line across a ball.

He didn’t use a measuring tape nor does the earth have a cornerstone. This is symbolic language and we talked about this a couple of weeks ago.

Do you think that God needs a measuring tape to measure something? Even if the earth was a disc, as you claim, it still could not have a “corner” stone.

The earth is a sphere just like every other planet in the universe is a sphere. Even the moon is round.

 

[Apple Sky]

Even the moon is round.

It is round but it is like a dish shaped disc, it is not spherical.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It is round but it is like a dish shaped disc, it is not spherical.

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And yet we have a horizon. Which is impossible on a flat disc.