Woman calling churches

[Delvianna]

I hardly think her trying to guilt us because she has decided to sit in judgment of us and blame us for her rejection of faith is "weak of faith". It's self-righteous behavior trying to manipulate us and demonstrates a rush to judgment and a lack of attempting to understand the views of others because of a sense of superiority.

That's not manipulation that was a confession based on your behavior. But I'm done talking.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That's not manipulation that was a confession based on your behavior. But I'm done talking.

Being "done talking" and putting up a wall after speaking your mind is a surefire way to be heard and understood with empathy.

 

[Fervent]

That's not manipulation that was a confession based on your behavior. But I'm done talking.

If saying we shouldn't rush to judgment without knowing the full situation is somehow offensive enough to cause someone to present their faith as hostage then the issue is with them. We have no reason to take what this person on tiktok has put out as indicative of anything, and it is uncharitable to immediately jump to wagging the finger about how those people aren't acting like real Christians. If you've never been on the side of church administration, you lack important perspective. We don't know if these calls are all the calls she made, or even if they were her first calls to these particular churches. For all we know, they knew she was a fraud and simply didn't care to deal with her prank calls wasting their time when they could be attending to people who actually needed their help.

 

[rambot]

Churches have to have prior approval for all spending, though most set aside contingency funds for charitable giving. But the secretary who answers phones and the pastor and anyone else in the church office is not authorized to unilaterally release funds for any reason.

That sounds like a church problem actually. Bureaucracy tying up helping the less fortunate.

I'd prefer it not operate that way, but it's the reality of church life in the United States. Churches are legal corporations with legal restrictions on how they can allocate funds. The problem is you're comparing an ideal with reality, rather than recognizing the real issues at play.

My church in canada has a benevolence fund that council members can allocate though in emergencies like this situation the front desk person would approve it.

I think a church creating these "real issues" IS in fact the real issue. And maybe just maybe, it's explaining what is happenning when this lady makes these calls....the calls you were so skeptical of before but whose results you now seem to be justifying.

im also curious how these other faith bodies are consistently managing to always find the funds for the mother.

For the record, the churches that have said yes and HAVE agreed to help have seen their own food banks be flooded with cash. There was a church in Florida who had received over 75000 in money for the food pantry after they agreed to give her the support (the food bank owner was crying all day). Follow God and God provides. I wonder if the churches ttht said no received any extra funds?

 

[rambot]

I always love it when single individuals decide to become the collective conscience for every other Christian alive today.

You're welcome to include a bible verse that would support not giving food to a mother and hungry child.

 

[Fervent]

That sounds like a church problem actually. Bureaucracy tying up helping the less fortunate.

So change the laws governing legal corporations to allow for exemptions for churches. But these bureaucratic issues aren't created by the churches, they're created by strict laws regarding how and when funds can be used.

My church in canada has a benevolence fund that council members can allocate though in emergencies like this situation the front desk person would approve it.

Yes, most churches have contingency funds. But those are regulated as well, and not purely up to the discretion of the administrators. We don't know what other situations these churches are dealing with to even know if they had funds available and what stipulations there are on their emergency funds.

I think a church creating these "real issues" IS in fact the real issue. And maybe just maybe, it's explaining what is happenning when this lady makes these calls....the calls you were so skeptical of before but whose results you now seem to be justifying.

Judging based on a woman making tiktok videos is poor form, if the intent is to encourage churches to be more generous this type of smarmy shame campaign that is likely done for clout is hardly productive.

 

[rambot]

Frankly, if I were called by some random woman from 5 states over who doesn't ACTUALLY and personally need church benefits from my church, it comes across as illegitimate inquiry. She's not the posse for the world. Sure, Christians could help more, but they, like everyone else, have limited resources and their own families to feed as well.

It would be more productive to simply state an 'encouragement' to Christians everyone that, if they have the individual and organizational means to do so, to step up their generosity at this time rather than wagging the finger at them.

Christians don't deserve to have their hypocrisy shoved in their faces.

Government taxation food programs are evil and so many of them are just lazy anyways.

Christians can't be responsible for feeding everyone.

Is your solution that all these people should just go die? What is the American Christian solution?

The poor we will.always have with us. So don't worry about doing anything.

 

[Fervent]

Christians don't deserve to have their hypocrisy shoved in their faces.

Government taxation food programs are evil and so many of them are just lazy anyways.

Christians can't be responsible for feeding everyone.

Is your solution that all these people should just go die? What is the American Christian solution?

The poor we will.always have with us. So don't worry about doing anything.

I suppose you're out feeding and clothing every homeless person you see, right? Everytime someone asks you for something, you comply?

 

[rambot]

So change the laws governing legal corporations to allow for exemptions for churches. But these bureaucratic issues aren't created by the churches, they're created by strict laws regarding how and when funds can be used.

How come other faith institutions have not been handcuffed in the same manner?

Yes, most churches have contingency funds. But those are regulated as well, and not purely up to the discretion of the administrators.

What do you mean "purely"?
And how is a phone call to a deacon nor going to resolve that issue in 10 minutes? Why is it a no and not a let me check it out?

We don't know what other situations these churches are dealing with to even know if they had funds available and what stipulations there are on their emergency funds.

One container of formula is how much? A community of believers would NOT be willing to help ONCE?

Judging based on a woman making tiktok videos is poor form, if the intent is to encourage churches to be more generous this type of smarmy shame campaign that is likely done for clout is hardly productive.

The sin of greed is infecting the church too.

Ignore this at your own folly.

 

[rambot]

I suppose you're out feeding and clothing every homeless person you see, right? Everytime someone asks you for something, you comply?

If a woman came to my door with a crying child I'd slam rhe door in their face and say, nope nothing for you.


Pretty awful when I say it like that hey? Maybe the church could learn a lesson there.

 

[Michie]

This thread is a dumpster fire.

 

[Fervent]

How come other faith institutions have not been handcuffed in the same manner?

How do you know they haven't?

What do you mean "purely"?
And how is a phone call to a deacon nor going to resolve that issue in 10 minutes? Why is it a no and not a let me check it out?

It depends on the church, all I'm saying is we don't have enough just from a couple of tiktok videos to pass judgment on these churches

One container of formula is how much? A community of believers would NOT be willing to help ONCE?

We don't know what these churches are dealing with. It's not one container of formula in a vacuum, it's one more container of formula on top of everything else they are already dealing with.

The sin of greed is infecting the church too

Rather presumptuous.

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Ignore this at your own folly.

Planks and specks.

 

[Fervent]

This thread is a dumpster fire.

Nothing but sewing seeds of division. But that's no surprise.

 

[Fervent]

If a woman came to my door with a crying child I'd slam rhe door in their face and say, nope nothing for you.


Pretty awful when I say it like that hey? Maybe the church could learn a lesson there.

And if she was the hundredth such woman to come across your door? 10,000? You seem to believe that this is the only needy person who is coming to these churches asking for help, which is almost certainly not the case.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

You're welcome to include a bible verse that would support not giving food to a mother and hungry child.

I'm not going to bother offering a response to someone who takes what I've said clearly out of context or hasn't taken the time to do more than quickly scan what I've said or written. ......... you're that someone.

 

[Servus]

There is a woman who is calling churches (and now other institutions) with audio of a crying baby in the background asking for formula foe their child as they had no money.
Woman Pretends to Need Baby Formula & Exposes Churches That Refuse to Help

The results at this point have been a distinct condemnation of Christians in America.

What has been a particular salt in the wound is that other organizations have so far been proven to be far more consistent that churches in providing relief. I believe she's set to continue and will update results. You can find this story on multiple sites if you don't like this source.

Now, I can certainly say that this is not any kind of scientific study but as I understand she makes videos of these calls. The results are irrefutable.

American christians: What happenned? You are, purportedly the most charitable group but...if it isn't going to a woman with no baby food is it maybe just going back into your own congregations or salaries? Something needs to change.
I can't imagine just as a human being allowing that to happen.

She called the administrative office of the LDS, who told her to contact local churches in her area. She wasn't refused help. She was simply directed to contact churches in her area who could actually help her.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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