Yeah they do. You seem ill informed.
I absolutely not ill informed. You forget, my darling, I work extensively with food-related charity which includes having counselors come in and help people apply for benefits. Guess what comes up on page one of the application, both paper and online? "Are you a US citizen?" followed by "Do you have valid documentation that proves US citizenship?"
That question, by the way, is often is the question that nukes people, especially homeless, from getting help with Snap programs. That home address you have and take for granted? Without that, everything from drivers licenses, Real ID, military ID, non-drivers ID, even the means to verify identity in order to get your birth certificate that proves citizenship becomes insanely difficult.
You, my friend, have invented a boogeyman that illegals get benefits, then because you're scared of the boogeyman you've invented, have made a determination about programs that provide people with support is broken, thus nobody deserves support. You smashed your table for 100 people because you'd rather 95 people who didn't have continue to not have because there's a risk that 5 people get something they "don't deserve."
No they can't get it directly from the feds, but through the states they most certainly do.
They most certainly do not. See above.
Fine you just don't that. And we'll still believe that it is our business because its our money they are spending. Its not theirs. If it were we would mind our own business.
So if I were to see somebody at the grocery store who I know as my regular Wal-Mart cashier, walk up to their cart, and tell them what was in it was my business because my money goes to the employer which pays them and therefore it's my job to tell them how to spend what was my money... Would that make me a sane person? Or a crazy person?
Or if I saw a police officer buy a game console for their kids that I can't afford for my kids, I would be well within my rights to say "How dare you! My taxes pay your salary!" and he'd have no right to tell me to mind my business?
Tell me, how long is the chain of custody for a dollar that used to be yours? If it was yours, but you spent it in taxes, you have a right to tell people who use a federally-funded program how to spend that dollar? When the dollar is received by a corporation and dispersed to employees, do you have a right to go to the employee and say "that dollar was mine, but then I spent it in taxes that funded Snap, which paid for a product somebody got, then was dispersed through your pay, so here's how I want you to spend it..." Considering that the economy works, every dollar that you or I or anybody has will have always come from elsewhere. Can somebody who used to have my dollar rear their head like a long-lost relative and start making demands? Just how many filters must it pass through before it's not "yours" anymore?
Or, better yet, how about this... Snap costs the government
$100 billion each year. Let's be crazy and assume that you pay $100,000 in taxes each year, not the average
$13k that is average (if including billionaires in the metric, if we aren't then it's much lower). Actually, let's get whackers bonkers crazy. Let's say you paid $1 million in taxes each year and 100% of it is spent entirely on Snap... Nothing else. Just Snap.
Do you really believe that because you funded 0.001% of the Snap program, you now should have enough influence to dictate what 100% of the people must do with the money? I'd be willing to compromise and give you 0.001% influence over their spending habits, but 100%? Nah. I am willing to negotiate, though. Out of the average 13k spent by Americans (including billionaires) on taxes, $323 goes to fund Snap. 2.5% of what you pay in taxes. If you want 2.5% influence over their spending, I'm willing to give you that.
You're welcome.
Actually I do. Thats how I know. Ive worked with the poor for almost 40 years now. Thats why Im very compassionate to the disabled or those who are really unable to function due to disease or illness. I see so often where our money could be going to them instead of the able bodied poor who are seriously leaching off the system. Ive seen those living off the system who could be working to get off but wont. Then they continually make poor decisions buying drugs etc and then whining when their benefits dont cover all their bills. Ive seen the piles of junk food, candy, soda etc that they pile into their pantries and fridges.
It's not super compassionate to the disabled to cut their benefits or defund Snap because you've got a superficial snapshot of another third party's life, judged them by a non-standard you specific and arbitrary metric, found them wanting, and labeled them a leech, and therefore because they're not conducting themselves to your standard, everybody's benefits should be cut.
Again, you've told the 95 that because you found 5 people who aren't good enough for you, all 100 of them should be punished.
I've also watched as so many of the hard working poor get out of poverty in a relatively short period of time because they have grit and determination to not live that way. They want out and get out. And it doesn't take them that long.
Ah, the ol' bootstraps mentality. The one people like to trot out because it means they don't have to credit luck, generational advantages, and other outside factors for their own success. The one that they use to assuage the fear that the poverty they see could never happen to them because they're just better at life than somebody else. Harder workers. Smarter. Faster. Better.
To admit that we live in a system where people can work super hard and still fail is too scary. Better to just assign them the "less than" caste and sleep soundly than worry that you're one injury, disaster, illness, job loss, or death away from needing the same services they do.
I want to apologize for how I said things. I came across much harsher than I meant to. Like I said I've seen the issues with the disease. I wasnt trying to tell you what you had to eat when you are having a flare up. It probably sounded like it, but I seriously wasnt trying to. My apologies.
Noted and accepted. Thank you.
Back to it. I could provide evidence as to how the poor live in America. But I dont think you'd listen.
I listen to facts, not subjectivity. I take those facts and fold them in with my knowledge. Having worked a significant time each year on food-related causes, "most people are lazy and lack gumption" is not enough to overcome what I know as truth based off of what I see, have experienced, and know to be statistically correct.
I wasn't talking about the homeless living in shelters. Those folks are too addicted and too mentally ill to really care for themselves. If you gave one of them a pot they would sell it and go buy their booze or drugs with it. So that would be a total waste. Your better off just buying them a sandwich and a winter coat.
So you're not talking about a large segment of the population that needs the service but undermines the validity of your position that people who are in these scenarios are there because they lack grit, a work ethic, and spend their money poorly...?
In all actuality we ought to take them off the street and put them in a facility because they aren't capable of taking care of themselves.
So we should marry off the women and round up and institutionalize the mentally ill...?
Uh... No thanks.