Trump says ‘we have to beat the hell’ out of ‘radical left lunatics’ after Kirk killing

[Servus]

Yeah, there was. That you can't see it would have been why an irony meter would have broken.

-- A2SG, but there I go again, being cute instead of intelligible. Oh well.

If you want to explain where you're seeing irony, I'll explain why it's not there.

 

[Pommer]

Even though it's been the left celebrating the assassination and trash talking Kirk after his death, no finger should be pointed at the left.

Where’d we see “the left” celebrating?
Random tiktokers and the like?

 

[Servus]

Where’d we see “the left” celebrating?
Random tiktokers and the like?

All over the internet by the thousands. But we can always try pretending the left isn't the group that hated Charlie Kirk.

 

[A2SG]

If you want to explain where you're seeing irony, I'll explain why it's not there.

You made some comments about "the left" regarding the shooting of Charlie Kirk, despite the fact that no one one the left shot him. So I commented that Trump, like his MAGA supporters, always blames the left for everything, even when they have nothing to do with the issue at hand, using the analogy of only having a hammer and seeing every problem as a nail. What was your response? To say "no finger should be pointed at the left" after saying the left was "celebrating the assassination and trash talking Kirk after his death" as if that had anything to do with his being shot.

And that broke my irony meter.

You can think there's no irony in that, but there is.

-- A2SG, but I welcome whatever explanation you may feel you can offer....

 

[Servus]

You made some comments about "the left" regarding the shooting of Charlie Kirk, despite the fact that no one one the left shot him. So I commented that Trump, like his MAGA supporters, always blames the left for everything, even when they have nothing to do with the issue at hand, using the analogy of only having a hammer and seeing every problem as a nail. What was your response? To say "no finger should be pointed at the left" after saying the left was "celebrating the assassination and trash talking Kirk after his death" as if that had anything to do with his being shot.

And that broke my irony meter.

You can think there's no irony in that, but there is.

-- A2SG, but I welcome whatever explanation you may feel you can offer....

Getting down to the essential facts.

Which group hated Charlie Kirk? The left.

Which group celebrated his death? The left.

Which group said insulting things about Kirk after his death? The left.

Which group thanked the assassin? The left.

Tyler Robinson was on the side of the left. Even if he himself isn't a leftists, he was/is still on their side.

This isn't a situation where what's posted above could realistically apply to any other group other than the left.

 

[A2SG]

Getting down to the essential facts.

Which group hated Charlie Kirk? The left.

Painting with a broad brush again, I see. Plus, you're acting as if "the left" all share one monolithic mind.

Do some people on the left hate Charlie Kirk? I've no doubt. Many of us simply disagreed with what he said, and a lot of us simply didn't care about him one way or the other, and many also would have said "who's Charlie Kirk" a couple of weeks ago.

We're not all the same, dude.

Which group celebrated his death? The left.

Again, some might have, but not all of us. Personally, I barely even knew who he was when I heard he was shot, and I certainly haven't celebrated his death one bit. I do note that he once said: "I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," so I suppose he'd support his own death if it meant the second amendment remained untouched, but I also know that's nothing more than speculation on my part.

Would you call that celebrating? I sure wouldn't.

Which group said insulting things about Kirk after his death? The left.

Again, some have. Some haven't. The above is the strongest thing I've ever said about the man.

What group thanked the assassin? The left.

You'd have to provide a quote on that so I'd know exactly who said that. Because I never heard anyone say anything like that.

Tyler Robinson was on the side of the left. Even if he himself isn't a leftists, he was/is still on their side.

By all accounts, he was not. You'll need to provide some evidence of your assertion if you expect it to be taken seriously at all.

This isn't a situation where what's posted above could realistically apply to any other group other than the left.

Or, to put down the broad brush you've been painting with, some people on the left. Not everyone.

But, putting all that aside...so what? Who cares how anyone on "the left" feels, or felt, about Charlie Kirk? None of them shot him.

Only one person did that, and, by all accounts I've heard, that person held conservative political views, not liberal ones.

So what you're doing with all your above statements is trying to blame the left for something they had nothing to do with. You're using Trump's hammer. You're blaming the left while claiming you're not blaming the left.

And, as a result...

-- A2SG, knew I'd wind up using that pic again....

 

[Servus]

Painting with a broad brush again, I see. Plus, you're acting as if "the left" all share one monolithic mind.

Do some people on the left hate Charlie Kirk? I've no doubt. Many of us simply disagreed with what he said, and a lot of us simply didn't care about him one way or the other, and many also would have said "who's Charlie Kirk" a couple of weeks ago.

We're not all the same, dude.


Again, some might have, but not all of us. Personally, I barely even knew who he was when I heard he was shot, and I certainly haven't celebrated his death one bit. I do note that he once said: "I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights," so I suppose he'd support his own death if it meant the second amendment remained untouched, but I also know that's nothing more than speculation on my part.

Would you call that celebrating? I sure wouldn't.


Again, some have. Some haven't. The above is the strongest thing I've ever said about the man.


You'd have to provide a quote on that so I'd know exactly who said that. Because I never heard anyone say anything like that.


By all accounts, he was not. You'll need to provide some evidence of your assertion if you expect it to be taken seriously at all.


Or, to put down the broad brush you've been painting with, some people on the left. Not everyone.

But, putting all that aside...so what? Who cares how anyone on "the left" feels, or felt, about Charlie Kirk? None of them shot him.

Only one person did that, and, by all accounts I've heard, that person held conservative political views, not liberal ones.

So what you're doing with all your above statements is trying to blame the left for something they had nothing to do with. You're using Trump's hammer. You're blaming the left while claiming you're not blaming the left.

And, as a result...

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-- A2SG, knew I'd wind up using that pic again....

No broad brush. The vast majority of those who disliked to hated right-wing Charlie Kirk were/are on the left. That doesn't mean every last person on the left disliked to hated Kirk, but the majority of those who did/do are on the left. And Tyler Robinson is obviously one of those people who hated Charlie Kirk. And he hated Charlie Kirk for the same reasons as those on the left. According to the information that's been publicized.

 

[A2SG]

No broad brush. The vast majority of those who disliked to hated right-wing Charlie Kirk were/are on the left.

But not everyone on the left hated Kirk, that's the broad brush you're painting with. I sure didn't hate him. I barely knew who he was and I certainly disagreed with what I've heard he said, but that's far from the same thing.

That doesn't mean every last person on the left disliked to hated Kirk, but the majority of those who did/do are on the left.

At least you've finally made that distinction. You haven't said that before.

But, regardless, so what? I'm sure the majority of people who disliked or hated Kamala Harris were on the right. What does that prove, exactly? And how does any of that matter when discussing why Kirk was shot? No one on the left, whether they hated Kirk or merely disagreed with him, shot him. The one person who did that was on the right, politically. Does that mean "the right" is responsible for the crime?

I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who claims that. But those blaming "the left," like Trump always does? They abound.

And Tyler Robinson is obviously one of those people who hated Charlie Kirk. And he hated Charlie Kirk for the same reasons as those on the left. According to the information that's been publicized.

What information is that, exactly?

-- A2SG, the claim sounds specious, to be frank, so I'd appreciate some evidence to support it, for a change....

 

[Yarddog]

Trump says ‘we have to beat the hell’ out of ‘radical left lunatics’ after Kirk killing​

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/11/trump-says-we-have-to-beat-the-hell-out-of-radical-left-lunatics-after-kirk-killing-00559170

I have a problem with this. Because Trump is advocating violence, instead of help or piece. To Trump, a radical left, is someone that tells the truth about, how bad Trump is. If Kirt said something that Trump didn't want to hear. Kirt would have outcasted and labeled as a terrorists radical left.

Trump has always been an advocator of violence. He has lied and blamed the left for doing what he does to justify his actions

 

[Servus]

But not everyone on the left hated Kirk, that's the broad brush you're painting with.

If you had read the entire post first, you would've seen that was already addressed.

I sure didn't hate him. I barely knew who he was and I certainly disagreed with what I've heard he said, but that's far from the same thing.


At least you've finally made that distinction. You haven't said that before.

But, regardless, so what? I'm sure the majority of people who disliked or hated Kamala Harris were on the right. What does that prove, exactly? And how does any of that matter when discussing why Kirk was shot? No one on the left, whether they hated Kirk or merely disagreed with him, shot him. The one person who did that was on the right, politically. Does that mean "the right" is responsible for the crime?

I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who claims that. But those blaming "the left," like Trump always does? They abound.


What information is that, exactly?

-- A2SG, the claim sounds specious, to be frank, so I'd appreciate some evidence to support it, for a change....

Since you're asking what information, it's pretty clear you haven't been reading/watching the news. Get back to me when you're better informed.

 

[A2SG]

If you had read the entire post first, you would've seen that was alread addressed.

Sure, now. Not before, though. And what I said in reply still stands.

Since you're asking what information, it's pretty clear you haven't been reading/watching the news. Get back to me when you're better informed.

Nah. As I said, I barely knew who Kirk was before all this, and from what I've heard, I doubt I'd have cared had I known. I don't agree with anything I've heard of his stated beliefs, and I doubt anything he could have said would convince me otherwise. So I plan to continue my lack of concern about him, his views, or anything related to him.

But...if you wish to convince me that his killer, who has been identified as a conservative Christian, was actually a liberal and agreed with their views, you'll have to convince me. With evidence. If you don't wish to, that's your business, and I'll apply Hitchen's razor to your arguments: what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

-- A2SG, ball's in your court, dude....

 

[Servus]

Sure, now. Not before, though. And what I said in reply still stands.


Nah. As I said, I barely knew who Kirk was before all this, and from what I've heard, I doubt I'd have cared had I known. I don't agree with anything I've heard of his stated beliefs, and I doubt anything he could have said would convince me otherwise. So I plan to continue my lack of concern about him, his views, or anything related to him.

But...if you wish to convince me that his killer, who has been identified as a conservative Christian, was actually a liberal and agreed with their views, you'll have to convince me. With evidence. If you don't wish to, that's your business, and I'll apply Hitchen's razor to your arguments: what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

-- A2SG, ball's in your court, dude....

So you have little to no interest in the person, and barely know anything about the subjectmatter. Which means this discussion has been a waste of time. Thanks for letting me know for future reference.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Usually what happens is, the president says a bunch of stuff, and then the media isolates a few words out of all of it to use against him and stir up the public.

So he is not responsible for his own words addressed publicly?

 

[Servus]

So he is not responsible for his own words addressed publicly?

That doesn't follow what I said.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Where’d we see “the left” celebrating?
Random tiktokers and the like?

Yep, pretty much everyone on the left.

 

[A2SG]

So you have little to no interest in the person, and barely know anything about the subjectmatter. Which means this discussion has been a waste of time. Thanks for letting me know for future reference.

Kirk isn't really the point of this thread, is he? That he was killed is, and the fact that Trump, and many of his MAGA acolytes, blame the left for anything and everything, including this, which they have nothing whatsoever to do with. That was the point I made, which you have been so pointedly and ironically demonstrating.

And I thank you for that.

But, if you want me to accept your claim that Kirk's killer espoused a liberal point of view, despite all evidence to the contrary, I am willing to discuss that. But only if you have evidence to support the claim. If you don't have that, then I dismiss the claim as just another example of trying to blame the left for something they had nothing to do with.

Your call.

-- A2SG, Trump only has that one hammer, do you have anything else?

 

[Postvieww]

To Trump, a radical left, is someone that tells the truth about, how bad Trump is.

False ! To Trump SOME on the radical left murder people they disagree with.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

That doesn't follow what I said.

You are blaming the media rather than Trump for his inflammatory words.

 

[Servus]

You are blaming the media rather than Trump for his inflammatory words.

I'm blaming the media for grabbing choice words and leaving out context.

Like "I hate Mondays sometimes. Last Monday though I heard a stupid joke that gave me a laugh. I told it to my wife. "

Press: Servus said, "I hate my stupid wife".

 

[rebornfree]

Usually what happens is, the president says a bunch of stuff, and then the media isolates a few words out of all of it to use against him and stir up the public.

Which is a good reason for him to be careful about what he says. Nearly all other politicians are. They know how they can get misunderstood and their words twisted.

Trumps's words, as posted by the OP, are extremely inflammatory and the last thing your country needs at this time. Something like "We should come together at this sad time, and learn to debate our differences peacefully. Violence is never acceptable." would be more Presidential.