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They aren't. They want to make it look like conservatives aren't concerned about children in order to demonise them.
That's true.

Look at all the hard legal work Conservatives have done to stop school shootings; the Biggest Abomination on the planet.

Killing innocent children with friends, family and loving parents.

In the last 3 weeks there have been 2 school shootings. EVEN WHEN IT WAS CHRISTIAN CHILDREN, I haven't heard anyone with power talk about making ANY changes other than whispers of keeping guns out of the hands of trans people.

Yeah. Nice work at making change to keep children safe.
 
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They aren't. They want to make it look like conservatives aren't concerned about children in order to demonise them.
Yes, everything they do is secretly about you. Obviously.
 
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Why are lefties so violent!?!!!!

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Had a graphic. Noticed rhe numbers were not sourced.

Removed.https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2022

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Re-edit. Source https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2022

You can find the data for 2024 there too...and couldn't you know.


More leftist violence. Go find it.
 
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The first thing I want to say is this: I pray for Charlie Kirk, I pray for the grace and mercy of God to guide his soul to rest and to attain that which all who confess Jesus desire: resurrection and the life of the Age to Come.

The second thing I want to say is this: Political violence is, under no circumstances, acceptable. It doesn't matter what I thought of Mr. Kirk or his views, this act of violence is evil. It is always evil. It doesn't matter who perpetrates it, it doesn't matter who the perpetrator is or what they believed; it doesn't matter who the victim is or what the victim believed. All politically motivated violence is evil, and has no place in America. As a Christian, I want to go even further: Violence is unacceptable. Period.

The last thing I want to say is this: Since learning about what happened yesterday, I've been in a state of anxiety. And my thoughts are diverse and across the board. I am anxious, because I see political violence escalating, because the political divide is growing wider, deeper, and people are getting angrier, people are becoming more hateful. I see it everywhere. I am anxious because each thing that happens deepens it; it is throwing gasoline. I am not anxious because I am experiencing fear for my personal safety--but because it seems like the threads of our society are unraveling. I am anxious because what's the next thing that's going to happen? Our politicians are either inept or culpable; our media cares only about creating outrage and getting ratings; we are inundated with social media that boxes us in echo chambers where all we get to see is the ugliest sides of ourselves on full display.

And what's the fix? I have no idea.

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I didn’t say anybody said it. I said it.
You sure did. You also said what you heard. Did you get your hearing checked yet?
I don’t know, I feel like people uniting to decry crazy people shooting people is kind of a bipartisan stance. Or it was, at some point.
Well we certainly are decaying this. But as we've seen, then left isnt interested in that. I would hope you guys would actually take some steps to stop it yourself instead of blame the victim for it. Meh, if wishes were horses.
 
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The first thing I want to say is this: I pray for Charlie Kirk, I pray for the grace and mercy of God to guide his soul to rest and to attain that which all who confess Jesus desire: resurrection and the life of the Age to Come.

The second thing I want to say is this: Political violence is, under no circumstances, acceptable. It doesn't matter what I thought of Mr. Kirk or his views, this act of violence is evil. It is always evil. It doesn't matter who perpetrates it, it doesn't matter who the perpetrator is or what they believed; it doesn't matter who the victim is or what the victim believed. All politically motivated violence is evil, and has no place in America. As a Christian, I want to go even further: Violence is unacceptable. Period.

The last thing I want to say is this: Since learning about what happened yesterday, I've been in a state of anxiety. And my thoughts are diverse and across the board. I am anxious, because I see political violence escalating, because the political divide is growing wider, deeper, and people are getting angrier, people are becoming more hateful. I see it everywhere. I am anxious because each thing that happens deepens it; it is throwing gasoline. I am not anxious because I am experiencing fear for my personal safety--but because it seems like the threads of our society are unraveling. I am anxious because what's the next thing that's going to happen? Our politicians are either inept or culpable; our media cares only about creating outrage and getting ratings; we are inundated with social media that boxes us in echo chambers where all we get to see is the ugliest sides of ourselves on full display.

And what's the fix? I have no idea.

-CryptoLutheran
It reminds me of the 60s which were full of assassinations and assassination attempts.
 
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You sure did. You also said what you heard. Did you get your hearing checked yet?
Well, you’re awfully snippy this morning. Don’t get mad at me for something he did.
Well we certainly are decaying this. But as we've seen, then left isnt interested in that. I would hope you guys would actually take some steps to stop it yourself instead of blame the victim for it. Meh, if wishes were horses.
Yes, you are decrying this. There was less decrying when it was a Democrat was shot. Or even the kids shot at school the same day at the same time as Kirk. In fact, all the things you all are bleating about as being cruel and victim blaming towards Kirk, several people had less-than-zero problem saying the exact same thing about the Democrat assassinated by a far right crazy person extremist:

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See any outpouring of sympathy in those posts? A willingness to put aside partisanship? People foregoing blaming the victim, her party, or her supporters? Being sure to make clear the victim isn’t responsible for her own death? Because I certainly don’t. And this was all in the immediate aftermath of her assassination. So spare me your conditional, deeply performative outrage. It’s nonsense.

And I don’t know what you mean by “you guys.” I’m a left-leaning moderate, registered undeclared. I’m not sure when the hardline right people got together and decided I was the representative for “the left,” but I’m not. If I was, though, if you recall I throughly come down against this, didn’t say one word to blame the victim, and when it was kids that were mowed down the week before, I talked all up and down the thread about the steps I think need to happen to stop it… To derision I might add, because the consensus was to stop gun violence, limiting access to guns was crazy talk.

So, as long as I have them on the phone… You want me to book you a hearing appointment before or after mine?
 

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Do a simple search on who paid for Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA. It was all billionaires, most of them ardent climate deniers, and dark money donors. Charlie Kirk wasn't some genius pushing his own ideas on campus, he was a political provocateur paid to prey on 20 year old college kids naivite, to produce a distracting spectacle and feel the algorithmic loop, monetized by some of the same network of people that are now friends and donors to the current White House. So of course, Trump is going to blame the Left. It's part of the kayfabe.

This is the truth about Charlie Kirk that nobody in the mainstream media is talking about. Because it doesn't feed the algorithmic loop, and doesn't fit into respectability politics of today. But it does show how hollowed out our cultural imagination has become.
 
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Even the NFL recognizes the great impact for good that Charlie Kirk has had in this world.
Really? How many teams held that minute? And that's certainly an owners choice.

And I can guarantee a lot of those players didn't think much of Kirk
 
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Do a simple search on who paid for Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA. It was all billionaires, most of them ardent climate deniers, and dark money donors.
Fortunately there are some people that have large sums of money and are intelligent enough to see through the Democratic lies and social engineering for the collapse of our society.
 
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Even the NFL recognizes the great impact for good that Charlie Kirk has had in this world.

I’m glad we’ve gotten past the point of being angry about politics being inserted into our athletic events.
 
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Fortunately there are some people that have large sums of money and are intelligent enough to see through the Democratic lies and social engineering for the collapse of our society.

The dark money going into Turning Point USA isn't motivated by preventing the collapse of American society, but financial bottom lines. Most of the money is from industries that actively harm or exploit the public good.
 
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The dark money going into Turning Point USA isn't motivated by preventing the collapse of American society, but financial bottom lines. Most of the money is from industries that actively harm or exploit the public good.
Given Turning Point USA's goals and actions, it seems they were one of the main actors standing in the way of political opponents and parties that were harming and exploiting the public to much more sinister ends.
 

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I’m glad we’ve gotten past the point of being angry about politics being inserted into our athletic events.
I see that you think that honoring Charlie Kirk and his family is a political thing to do.
 
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