The Lost House of Israel

[keras]

Children of the Promise:
Romans 9 to 11 proves the broken off branches who remain in unbelief are not true Israelites:
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named”.
This means that it is not the ethnic children who are God’s people, but the children of the promise, who have faith in Him, who are counted as Abrahams descendants.
The statement “For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” clearly denotes that some are ethnic Israel, the remnant of verse 29. But the rest are shown as those who failed righteousness by attempting to keep the Law; verses 30-33.

As indeed He says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.' And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.’
Hosea prophesied of the coming time the descendants of the ten northern tribes, the nation of Israel/Ephraim, would be restored as God’s covenant people once more, which is precisely what the inauguration of the New Covenant accomplishes.

Hebrews 8:7-8 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…
The inauguration of the new covenant was accomplished by the blood of Christ, which also released Judah and the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes from the marriage contract of the Old Covenant. Romans 7:1-4
While Judah, for the most part, rejected Christ, Peter testifies of his ordained success with the elect exiles of the dispersion, Ephraim/Israel.

1 Peter1:1-12, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia and Bithynia, chosen in the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Paul, the Apostle to the people called Gentiles, but who are actually the scattered dispersion of Israel, John 7:35, reveals they are fellow heirs in Christ, part of the biological descendants of Abraham. The offspring or ‘seed’, by which the gentiles were prophesied to be blessed, was and is being fulfilled by the descendants of Ephraim/Israel of which Zechariah prophesied:

Zechariah 10:7-12 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yes, their children shall see it, and be glad; their hearts shall rejoice in the Lord. I will call for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall rear their children, then march into and occupy the holy land.

What happened: God called Ephraim and gathered them in Christ and then scattered them in the world to proclaim the Gospel to the nations, which Judah was obviously not part of. The plan for Ephraim is the source of the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13. Proved by how the Western peoples have sent out missionaries and translated the Bible into most languages.

Isaiah 49:1-26 Listen to Me you peoples far distant,...... But Zion [the Land] said: The Lord has forsaken me, and my Lord has forgotten me…. The children which you will have, after you have lost the former ones, shall say to you: This place is too small for us, give us more space to dwell . Then you will say to yourself: Who has begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am alone and desolate, and where have they come from? Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders, for they shall not be ashamed that have faith in Me.

Hebrews 12:22-24 But you have come unto mount Zion......
We Christians are the latter children of Zion, of Ephraim, the true Israelites.
Ref: Jerry Huerta, Christian Forums

 

[Dan Perez]

Children of the Promise:
Romans 9 to 11 proves the broken off branches who remain in unbelief are not true Israelites:
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named”.
This means that it is not the ethnic children who are God’s people, but the children of the promise, who have faith in Him, who are counted as Abrahams descendants.
The statement “For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” clearly denotes that some are ethnic Israel, the remnant of verse 29. But the rest are shown as those who failed righteousness by attempting to keep the Law; verses 30-33.

As indeed He says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.' And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.’
Hosea prophesied of the coming time the descendants of the ten northern tribes, the nation of Israel/Ephraim, would be restored as God’s covenant people once more, which is precisely what the inauguration of the New Covenant accomplishes.

Hebrews 8:7-8 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…
The inauguration of the new covenant was accomplished by the blood of Christ, which also released Judah and the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes from the marriage contract of the Old Covenant. Romans 7:1-4
While Judah, for the most part, rejected Christ, Peter testifies of his ordained success with the elect exiles of the dispersion, Ephraim/Israel.

1 Peter1:1-12, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia and Bithynia, chosen in the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
Paul, the Apostle to the people called Gentiles, but who are actually the scattered dispersion of Israel, John 7:35, reveals they are fellow heirs in Christ, part of the biological descendants of Abraham. The offspring or ‘seed’, by which the gentiles were prophesied to be blessed, was and is being fulfilled by the descendants of Ephraim/Israel of which Zechariah prophesied:

Zechariah 10:7-12 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yes, their children shall see it, and be glad; their hearts shall rejoice in the Lord. I will call for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall rear their children, then march into and occupy the holy land.

What happened: God called Ephraim and gathered them in Christ and then scattered them in the world to proclaim the Gospel to the nations, which Judah was obviously not part of. The plan for Ephraim is the source of the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13. Proved by how the Western peoples have sent out missionaries and translated the Bible into most languages.

Isaiah 49:1-26 Listen to Me you peoples far distant,...... But Zion [the Land] said: The Lord has forsaken me, and my Lord has forgotten me…. The children which you will have, after you have lost the former ones, shall say to you: This place is too small for us, give us more space to dwell . Then you will say to yourself: Who has begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am alone and desolate, and where have they come from? Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders, for they shall not be ashamed that have faith in Me.

Hebrews 12:22-24 But you have come unto mount Zion......
We Christians are the latter children of Zion, of Ephraim, the true Israelites.
Ref: Jerry Huerta, Christian Forums

And where is a VERSE that says that CHRISTIANS. // CHRISTAINOS. are the latter children of Zion , the true ISRAELITES. ??

What happened to the BODY of Christ where Paul in 1. Cor 12:27 where Paul WROTE by the Holy Spirit , Now you care the

the Body of Christ and members in part and you are adding too the BIBLE. , Yes or NO. ?

And it shows that you believe in. British Israelism with out a doubt !!

dan p

 

[keras]

And where is a VERSE that says that CHRISTIANS. // CHRISTAINOS. are the latter children of Zion , the true ISRAELITES. ??

Galatians 6:14-16 And how Jesus came to save the lost House of Israel, that has to mean that we Christians are Israelites of God.

And it shows that you believe in. British Israelism with out a doubt !!

Actually I don't believe in the supremacy of Britian.
You make B.I. sound like a crime, but the theory of the Church being raptured to heaven, while the Jews get tried and tested; then saved, is a far worse crime against Biblical truth.

 

[Dan Perez]

Galatians 6:14-16 And how Jesus came to save the lost House of Israel, that has to mean that we Christians are Israelites of God.

Actually I don't believe in the supremacy of Britian.
You make B.I. sound like a crime, but the theory of the Church being raptured to heaven, while the Jews get tried and tested; then saved, is a far worse crime against Biblical truth.

And will begin in. Gal 6:13 !!

#1. And my first question is where where is THE LOST. HOUSE OF Israel lost at. , as there are Jews in the EAST COAST

# 2 FOR // IS A Conjunction

# 3 THEY THEMSELVES //. AUTOS. , is a PRESONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN - in the Nominative Case , in the Plural

# 4 WHO // HO. , IS A Definite Article , is in the Nominative Case. in. terms of Plural

# 5 ARE CIRCUMCISED // PERITEMNO. , is. in. the Present Tense , in. the PASSIVE VOLICE , Passive Voice , a PARTICILE

# 6. KEEP //. PHYLASSO. , in. the PRESENT TENSE ACTIVE VOICE. , IN. THE. Indicative Mood -, Pluarl

# 7. THE LAW // NOMOS. , IS IN. THE Accusative Case , in. the Singular

# 8. BUT // ALLA , is a Conjunction

# 9. THEY DESIRE // THELO , is in the Present Tense , in. the Active Voice , in. the Indicative Mood , in. the Plural

# 10. TO HAVE //. PERITEMNO , in. the Present Tense Passive Voice

# 11 YOU //. HYMAS. //. is a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN. , in. the Accusative Case , in. the Plural

# 12 CIRCUMCISED // PERILEMNO. , in. the Present , in. the Plural

# 13. THAT // HINA , is a ConJUNCTION

# 14. THEY MAY GLORY //. KASUCHAOMAI. , in. the Aorist Tense , in. the MIDDLE VOICE , in. the SUBJUNCATIVE Tense

# 15 IN //EN , is a PERPOSITION

# 16 YOUR // HYMETEROS. , is a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN

# 17. FLESH // SARX , in the DATIVE CASE , in the Singular


It seem went anyone is being CIRCCUMCISION. , THAt WORD MEANS JEWS and not the BODY of Christ , and will

explain verse 15 and 16

dan p

 

[johansen]

Jesus said: I am sent to only to save the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Matthew 15:24
The House of Judah is the Jewish people; only 2 tribes separated from the 10 Tribes of Israel. It is wrong for Jews to call themselves Israel.

Jesus' Mission WAS successful and we Christians are the result. WE are the true Israelites of God, Galatians 6:14-16

If Jesus was sent only to the lost of israel, why did he waste all his time in jerusalem, the land of the jews?

 

[keras]

If Jesus was sent only to the lost of israel, why did he waste all his time in jerusalem, the land of the jews?

He had to give the Jews first option, so to speak. They rejected and killed Him, but not before He taught the disciples the Gospel. They went to the lost tribes of Israel, who gladly accepted the Salvation offered. The Christian peoples, now as many as the sands of the sea.

In Gods infinite grace; the Jews still have a chance to redeem themselves, but this won't happen and their virtual demise is Prophesied. Romams 9:27

 

[keras]

And my first question is where where is THE LOLST HOUSE OF Israel lost at. , as there are Jews in the EAST COAST

Jewish people are not part of the House of Israel. Over 160 Bible verses make the distinction.

Circumcision is irrelevant to Salvation. Conversely; a circumcised man is not necessarily a Jew.

 

[Guojing]

And will begin in. Gal 6:13 !!

He is obviously using the NIV of Galatians 6:16 to conclude that we are the Israel of God

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He had to give the Jews first option, so to speak. They rejected and killed Him, They went to the lost tribes of Israel, who gladly accepted the Salvation offered. The Christian peoples, now as many as the sands of the sea.

In Gods infinite grace; the Jews still have a chance to redeem themselves, but this won't happen and their virtual demise is Prophesied. Romams 9:27

Who is "they"??? The Jews in Greece, in Yemen, in Ethiopia, all killed Him?

 

[keras]

He is obviously using the NIV of Galatians 6:16 to conclude that we are the Israel of God

I use the Revised English Bible 1989. It and most other Bible versions, make it clear that Christians are the true Israelites of God.
To think the current citizens of the Jewish State of Israel are Gods chosen people, is gross error; made only to support the false rapture to heaven theory.

[Staff edit]

 

[Guojing]

I use the Revised English Bible 1989. It and most other Bible versions, make it clear that Christians are the true Israelites of God.

Try the KJV instead

 

[keras]

Try the KJV instead

Have you even considered the many books and articles that point out the errors, mistakes and flat out misinterpretations of the KJV?
Also how that book is dedicated to King James and it twists many verses to uphold his authority.

Being trapped in a KJV mindset, is a sad and confused situation. You are basically ignoring the hundreds of source documents, including the Dead sea scrolls, that modern translators have available to them. In 1612, all they had was the Textus Receptus, a Latin re-translation of the Greek Byzantine traditional books.

We Christians are the faithful Israelites of God. Thinking the Jews are, is wakadoodle and unbiblical.

 

[Dan Perez]

British Israelism. Herbert W Armstrong would be proud of you.

And here is. my answer to Gal 6:16 , the Israel of God !!

# 1 AND //. KAI , IS A C ponjuncation

# 2 AS MANY AS //. HOSOs. , is a Correlative Pronoun , is a Plural

#3. WALK //. STOICHEO. , in. the Future Tense , is an ARTIVE VOICE , is a INDICATIVE MOOD , is a Plural

# 4. ACCORDING TO // KANON , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the DSingular

# 5 THIS // TOUTO. , is a DEMONSTRATIVE PRONOUN. in. the Dative Case , in. the Singular

# 6 RULE // KANON , in. the Dative Case , in. the Singular

# 7. PEACE // EIRENE , in. the Nominative Case , in the Singular

# 8. THE word BE was added

# 9. ON // EPI. , ois. a PREPOSTION



# 10. THEM //. is a PERSONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , is a PLURAL

# 11 AND //. KAI , IS A CONJUNCATION

# 12 MERCY //. ELEOS , in the Nominative Case. , in. the Signualar

# 13. AND //. HO. , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. ,

#14. UPON // EPI. , is a Preposittion

# 15. THE //. HO , is a DEFINITE ARTCLE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the Singular

# 16. ISRAEL

# 17 OF GOD //. THEOS. , in. the Genitive Case , in. then Signular

# 18 What is the standard. mentioned. in verse 16. is NEITHER Circumcision. OR. Ucircumision. , BUT a new Creation

CALLED the Body of Christ !!

dan p

 

[keras]

What is the standard. mentioned. in verse 16. is NEITHER Circumcision. OR. Ucircumision. , BUT a new Creation

CALLED the Body of Christ !!

Right!
The Christian peoples of God, from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:10 & 7:9
The overcomers for Him, literally His body of faithful Israelite peoples.

 

[Dan Perez]

He had to give the Jews first option, so to speak. They rejected and killed Him, but not before He taught the disciples the Gospel. They went to the lost tribes of Israel, who gladly accepted the Salvation offered. The Christian peoples, now as many as the sands of the sea.

In Gods infinite grace; the Jews still have a chance to redeem themselves, but this won't happen and their virtual demise is Prophesied. Romams 9:27

And Gal 5 :6 backs up what Gal 6:15 has said and here is what Gal 5;6 what the Holy Spirit wrote by Paul !!

For in Christ NEITHER. , Circumcision. (. are the Jews ) NOR ( UNcirumision are t he Gentils ). is of ANY FORCE but

Faith operating of itself through Love .

And He has given no FIRST OPTION to the Jews NOR FIRST OPTION. to Gentiles , and , SO TO SPEAKS has COLLAPSE. .

Permise and then context and the Conclusion and just DO NOT see them ??
dan p

 

[Semper-Fi]

Jesus was away for about 18 years,

I do not remember the bible saying this. I hear he was a carpenter.

so He and His family were aliens when they returned to Nazareth, proved by how He had to pay the Temple tax imposed on strangers. Matthew 17:24-27

The temple tax was required of Jewish males over age 20, and the money was used for the
upkeep and maintenance of the temple. This was not applied to strangers that I know of.

Jesus was also unknown to most of the 12 men He selected as His Disciples. If He had been living in Nazareth for all of His 30 years, they surely would have known Him.

Christs Ministery/Priesthood did not start till He was an adult 30 year old,
and after His temptation by the devil was completed.

Then He started preaching the Gospel of the coming Kingdom to earth. Then
Jesus sent His Disciples to the lost [tribes of Israel], Jesus did not go to Britian Himself.

[edit/added]

In Israel, males were required to appear before the Lord three times a year during specific feasts.

 

[Dan Perez]

Have you even considered the many books and articles that point out the errors, mistakes and flat out misinterpretations of the KJV?
Also how that book is dedicated to King James and it twists many verses to uphold his authority.

Being trapped in a KJV mindset, is a sad and confused situation. You are basically ignoring the hundreds of source documents, including the Dead sea scrolls, that modern translators have available to them. In 1612, all they had was the Textus Receptus, a Latin re-translation of the Greek Byzantine traditional books.

We Christians are the faithful Israelites of God. Thinking the Jews are, is wakadoodle and unbiblical.

AND YOU SAY THAT WE Christians are the faithful Israelites of God and please give a verse for that. verse ??

dan p

 

[keras]

AND YOU SAY THAT WE Christians are the faithful Israelites of God and please give a verse for that. verse ??

dan p

The Israel of God in the New Testament:
God’s work with and the development of His people, all faithful Israelites in the Old Testament is continued in the New Testament. Those who presumed that ancestry gave them privileges were chastened. John the Baptist’s strong language indicates how seriously God viewed their pride and arrogance.

John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, `We have Abraham as our father.' For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. The axe is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. Luke 3:7-9
Jesus gives a similar warning to those who were trying to trap him: Abraham is our father, they answered. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do the things Abraham did”. John 8:39 Jesus goes even further in Matthew 8 when he praises the faith of a Gentile Roman Centurion: I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. Matthew 8:10

Jesus then goes on to make a prediction: I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But those who were born to the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 8:11-12
Here Jesus is warning his Jewish hearers that unless they recognize him as their Messiah they will be excluded from the Kingdom.

This is how we are to understand Paul when he specifically uses the expression: Israel of God in Galatians 6:16. Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, even to the Israel of God. Galatians 6:16 For those who hold to a rapture to heaven, they have to think Paul is referring to Jews, or at least Christian Jews, but this flies in the face of everything he has said in the first five chapters of this letter.

In Galatians 3:23-29, Paul says we are saved by God’s grace and justified by faith alone in Jesus Christ. Paul is emphatic - people are not saved by ethnicity , by circumcision, by offering animal sacrifices or by keeping the Law of Moses.

In Galatians 4:21-31, those who follow Jesus, are likened to the free children of Sarah. Those seeking to be justified by the Law have been alienated from Jesus and are likened to the children of Hagar. Quoting Genesis 21, they will, he warns: never share in the inheritance…. Paul speaks of our freedom in Christ and our new life in the Holy Spirit. He contrasts living by the Spirit with living by our sinful nature.

See what Paul is saying? We have a choice – grace or law, faith or works? When Paul writes: Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule, [and or even] to the Israel of God, he is obviously referring to all the followers of Jesus who have rejected the legalists who wanted to impose circumcision and the keeping of the Torah Law.

John Stott provides one of the best explanations of this verse: ‘All who walk by this rule’ and ‘the Israel of God’ are not two groups, but one. The connecting particle: ‘kai’ should be translated ‘even’, not ‘and’, or be omitted, as in the RSV. The Christian church has a direct continuity with God’s people in the Old Testament. Those who are Christians today are the true circumcision - Phil. 3:3, ‘Abraham’s offspring’ Galatians 3:29 and ‘the Israel of God’.

And don’t worry about the phrase ‘walk by this rule’ either. The Greek word ‘rule’ is kanon and simply describes a carpenter’s or surveyor’s plumb line. John Stott says, This is the ‘canon’ of Scripture, the doctrine of the apostles, and especially in the context of Galatians 6 the cross of Christ and the new creation. Such is the rule by which the church must walk and continuously judge and reform itself.

In the closing sentences of this letter, Paul is quoting an ancient prayer he would have prayed all his life on the Sabbath. Known as the additional 19th benediction to the 18 benedictions, and based on the Aaronic blessing of Numbers 6:24-26, God is asked in the final prayer for ‘Peace… and mercy on us and all Israel: your people.’ Now Paul prays this blessing on the Jewish and Gentile Christian believers in Jesus for they are the ‘Israelites of God’.

 

[Dan Perez]

Galatians 6:14-16 And how Jesus came to save the lost House of Israel, that has to mean that we Christians are Israelites of God.

Actually I don't believe in the supremacy of Britian.
You make B.I. sound like a crime, but the theory of the Church being raptured to heaven, while the Jews get tried and tested; then saved, is a far worse crime against Biblical truth.

AND I have never believed in. a word called RAPTURE as there is NOT. a. Greek word RAPTURE in. the Greek Text

and being taken to heaven is right on in 1 Thess 4:17. !!

dan p

 

[keras]

being taken to heaven is right on in 1 Thess 4:17. !!

You are a purveyor of untruths.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 never says humans will be taken to heaven, there - or anywhere else in the Bible.
Those faithful Christians who kept strong and trusted the Lord through all that must happen before Jesus Returns, will be transported to where He will be; in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.