Judge's 'promise' let career criminal walk free to butcher Ukrainian refugee after his MOM said he should be locked up

[iluvatar5150]

Now you're trivializing his criminal past.

No, you're just not bothering to read the rest of the thread before chiming in. I already addressed everything in your post. Scroll up a bit and click that little number '1' to start from the beginning.

 

[rambot]

When I google something negative about liberal agendas or news, very little comes up or anti-conservative stories come up...I get MSNBC, NY TIMES, etc only news stories. Never Fox unless I actually search for FOX and even then the same think happenes.

I agree that google TRULY sucks (, I tend to get cnn, fox...and then UK news sources in my list)

I have read that they are actually sabotaging their search engine to stear people into using Gemini and their AI instead.

If I can suggest, I have found that duckduckgo is actually a REALLY great search engine. I find that, GENERALLY, it's algorithms are a little dictatorial to what shows up in front of me. I don't remember if they have a "news" tab that is functional but as a search engine, I'd say it's at least a decent alternative.

Maybe give them a try if you find it too left leaing?

 

[rambot]

If the crime had been committed with a gun, that's exactly what would be suggested; banning gun ownership because of what someone might do with it in the future. But it's not exactly unusual for individual people to be kept in custody who have demonstrated that they are a threat to themselves or others. This guy was clearly a threat to others. A woman can't even sit in her seat on a train without being stabbed to death by the passenger behind her. Should we all have to move to another part of a train because a black guy is sitting behind us? That'd be racist, right? This woman wasn't racist at all, and now she's dead.
Now, if we had a justice system that keeps bad people off the street so we don't have to fear for our safety wherever we go, things would be different.

I feel that proper mental health supports for THIS guy would have done a LOT more for him than a "justice system that keeps bad people off the streets".

This feells like a bit of a stupid question (not American so not sure how "this" works....)... Are judges able to adjudicate people into mental health facilities or is prison the only option the in US?

And what does that look like?

 

[rjs330]

Over and over again, you guys and your rage bait don’t really think through what you’re screaming for.

The guy was arrested in January for a misdemeanor for making a bogus 911 call. He committed the murder 7 months later. Are you seriously suggesting that we jail somebody for 7 months for a bad phone call?

Are you deliberately ignoring this guy's record of arrests or are you just ignorant of them?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Are you deliberately ignoring this guy's record of arrests or are you just ignorant of them?

Are you deliberately ignoring all of my previous posts where I addressed his record?

Seriously, do I have to restate my entire case every time one of you guys pops in? Is it too much trouble to expect you to do a bit of reading first?

 

[rjs330]

According to the article, the assault happened 4 years ago and the robbery 11 years ago. How long should "the liberal court system" have imprisoned him for these offenses?

Both of those are violent crimes. Tie that into his mental health issues and you have a recipe for what happened. He should have been put away after his first armed robbery. If not, then certainly after his second violent offense. Put away in prison or a mental institution.

 

[rjs330]

Its interesting we have a dead woman, stabbed in the neck and rhere are those here arguing against putting proven violent offenders away to prevent theae things.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Its interesting we have a dead woman, stabbed in the neck and rhere are those here arguing against putting proven violent offenders away to prevent theae things.

Nobody has argued that. You guys just keep refusing to read our comments and engage with what we've written, instead, apparently, preferring to infer whatever most effectively fuels your sanctimony.

I'll put a finer point on this so you guys can maybe, finally, understand what I'm getting at. Here's the USA Today story Aldebaran cited in post 59:

Charlotte train stabbing suspect had a long criminal history

As politicians present competing explanations for the killing, many Americans grapple with a simple question: How could this happen?

www.usatoday.com

From that article:

When he was 22, Brown was charged in at least four separate cases that included shoplifting, larceny, breaking and entering and felony conspiracy. Court records show he was convicted of all of those charges except conspiracy.

Less than a year later, Brown pulled a gun on a man in the middle of the day at a Charlotte apartment complex and robbed him of his cellphone and $450. Brown pleaded guilty as part of a plea deal and a judge sentenced him to serve between six and eight years in prison.

Prison records show Brown spent six years in prison, followed by a year of probation.

His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.​

Brown is 34 now, so that stuff in the first two sentence - the shoplifting, larceny, B&E, and pulling a gun - all of that happened 11-12 years ago. He did 6 years in prison + a year of probation. So, rough math would have him finishing his probation about 4 years ago. He had no other court cases until January of this year, with the bogus 911 call.

None of you guys moaning about this have laid out where in all of this he should have been jailed for longer and why. I have never said he shouldn't have been institutionalized because he's crazy. I think it would be great if we had stronger mental health systems in this country that make it easier for people to get help (including involuntary commitment). What I'm trying to point out is that none of you guys have a theory for how this was supposed to work, either. In all of your righteous indignation, you never bothered to sit down and tried to see where things actually went wrong.

You tell me - should he have been jailed for 9+ months for the bogus phone call in January? Should he have been jailed for more than 12 years for the stuff he did when he was 22-23? What is it that you think should have been done other than "something"?

I've asked multiple times now, in multiple threads, which offense of his should have resulted in a longer sentence that would've prevented this and not one of you has had an answer. All you've done is whine, because it's easier to point the finger than it is to actually think about something and devise and answer, or to realize that maybe there isn't a good answer.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, you're just not bothering to read the rest of the thread before chiming in. I already addressed everything in your post. Scroll up a bit and click that little number '1' to start from the beginning.

Instead of quote mining my post, try reading the facts about the guy I laid out for you.

 

[Aldebaran]

I feel that proper mental health supports for THIS guy would have done a LOT more for him than a "justice system that keeps bad people off the streets".

This feells like a bit of a stupid question (not American so not sure how "this" works....)... Are judges able to adjudicate people into mental health facilities or is prison the only option the in US?

And what does that look like?

Judges can adjudicate someone as mentally ill and sentence them to time in a mental health facility. Whenever a person is said to be "incompetent to stand trial", they just get sent to a mental health facility.

 

[Aldebaran]

Nobody has argued that. You guys just keep refusing to read our comments and engage with what we've written, instead, apparently, preferring to infer whatever most effectively fuels your sanctimony.

I'll put a finer point on this so you guys can maybe, finally, understand what I'm getting at. Here's the USA Today story Aldebaran cited in post 59:

Charlotte train stabbing suspect had a long criminal history

As politicians present competing explanations for the killing, many Americans grapple with a simple question: How could this happen?

www.usatoday.com

From that article:

When he was 22, Brown was charged in at least four separate cases that included shoplifting, larceny, breaking and entering and felony conspiracy. Court records show he was convicted of all of those charges except conspiracy.​

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Less than a year later, Brown pulled a gun on a man in the middle of the day at a Charlotte apartment complex and robbed him of his cellphone and $450. Brown pleaded guilty as part of a plea deal and a judge sentenced him to serve between six and eight years in prison.​

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Prison records show Brown spent six years in prison, followed by a year of probation.​

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His next court case came in January this year, when court records say Brown was at a hospital and someone called police about him. When they arrived, that's when records say Brown told them someone gave him a "manmade material" that was controlling him.​

Brown is 34 now, so that stuff in the first two sentence - the shoplifting, larceny, B&E, and pulling a gun - all of that happened 11-12 years ago. He did 6 years in prison + a year of probation. So, rough math would have him finishing his probation about 4 years ago. He had no other court cases until January of this year, with the bogus 911 call.

None of you guys moaning about this have laid out where in all of this he should have been jailed for longer and why. I have never said he shouldn't have been institutionalized because he's crazy. I think it would be great if we had stronger mental health systems in this country that make it easier for people to get help (including involuntary commitment). What I'm trying to point out is that none of you guys have a theory for how this was supposed to work, either. In all of your righteous indignation, you never bothered to sit down and tried to see where things actually went wrong.

You tell me - should he have been jailed for 9+ months for the bogus phone call in January? Should he have been jailed for more than 12 years for the stuff he did when he was 22-23? What is it that you think should have been done other than "something"?

I've asked multiple times now, in multiple threads, which offense of his should have resulted in a longer sentence that would've prevented this and not one of you has had an answer. All you've done is whine, because it's easier to point the finger than it is to actually think about something and devise and answer, or to realize that maybe there isn't a good answer.

Mental health is something that keeps getting brought up here. If he would have had a mental health evaluation at some point, such as during all that time he was in prison, it could have been revealed that he remained in danger to the public. Even his own mother said that he needed to be locked up. But she was ignored, and now a woman is dead. Maybe it's time to start listening.

 

[rambot]

Judges can adjudicate someone as mentally ill and sentence them to time in a mental health facility. Whenever a person is said to be "incompetent to stand trial", they just get sent to a mental health facility.

I would assume these facilities are govt run etc?

 

[Aldebaran]

I would assume these facilities are govt run etc?

I looked up a notable one in my state, but couldn't find info on who runs it.

 

[rjs330]

Nobody has argued that. You guys just keep refusing to read our comments and engage with what we've written, instead, apparently, preferring to infer whatever most effectively fuels your sanctimony.

No we are hearing them loud and clear. A known mentally ill violent felon was NOT kept in prison and NOT sent to a mental health ward. He should not have been loose. We DON'T care how long ago he was set free.

You aee totally ignoring the facts yourself in your own sanctimonious statements. A young woman is DEAD, and you want to defend a justice system that set him free and kept him free.

 

[rjs330]

You tell me - should he have been jailed for 9+ months for the bogus phone call in January? Should he have been jailed for more than 12 years for the stuff he did when he was 22-23? What is it that you think should have been done other than "something"?

Yes, by the time he committed those crimes he had shown himself to be a very bad man. At that point he should have gotten 50 years.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Instead of quote mining my post, try reading the facts about the guy I laid out for you.

I did, and as I already pointed out, I addressed that earlier in the thread.

No we are hearing them loud and clear. A known mentally ill violent felon was NOT kept in prison and NOT sent to a mental health ward. He should not have been loose. We DON'T care how long ago he was set free.

I know you don't care how long ago that stuff happened. That's what allows you to feel this righteous anger instead of answering the questions.

You aee totally ignoring the facts yourself in your own sanctimonious statements. A young woman is DEAD, and you want to defend a justice system that set him free and kept him free.

What facts have I ignored? What justice system have I defended?

Try answering my questions instead of dodging them.

 

[lifepsyop]

Its interesting we have a dead woman, stabbed in the neck and rhere are those here arguing against putting proven violent offenders away to prevent theae things.

yup, they instinctively know that seriously dealing with this level of crime would be a threat to their order, so they will throw anything against the wall and hope something sticks. "nothing can be known for sure, we must be nuanced!"

of course these are the same people that had no problem throwing completely non-violent people in solitary confinement for months because they strolled through the capitol building. you cannot reason with them.