Jesus claimed He came to fulfill the Law, Did He?

[Hentenza]

The plot thickens..

 

[HIM]

We have already covered every verse that you continue to bring up either out of context or in error. Paul simply can’t teach in one place that we are under the law and then preach in others that we are not including calling the law cursed. I guess Paul is bipolar.

You accused me of believing that we are not under ANY law when I said, clearly, that the Christian is not under THE law. Any and The are not the same word. Jesus gave us TWO commandments and redeemed us from the 613 commandments of the Jewish law.
........Also notice verse 40. These two commandments are now the whole law, not just a bit of it, but all of it.

On these hang (depend) all the Law and the Prophets.

Hang, in other words depend on, because Love fulfills the Law. As it is written Romans 13. Fulfill, not does away.

Why do you continue to isolate verses?
“Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭13‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 13:8-10 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHA | New American Standard Bible - NA

Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHA

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Pail is CLEARLY stating that love (for God and for your neighbor) has FULFILLED the Jewish law. All 10 commandments ARE SUMMED UP in these two commandments. It doesn’t get any clearer than this.

Fulfilled because it Satisfactorily fully develops the character of the Law. Fulfilled does not negate, it Satisfactorily fully develops



Oxford- ful·filled
[fə(l)ˈfild]
adjective

1. satisfied or happy because of fully developing one's abilities or character:

 

[HIM]

Here, maybe you can learn from scripture. This is Paul’s description of what it is to walk by the Spirit to Galatians. Walk by the Spirit and ALL law has been fulfilled by Christ who redeemed us from all sin.

The verses below do not say "walk by the Spirit and all Law has been fulfilled by Christ". No where does it say this in Galatians or anywhere that I am aware of.

It says, "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh"
Where did you get it from?

“But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. For the desire of the flesh is against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, in order to keep you from doing whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭16‬-‭24‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

I like how the NASB translated verse 16. It brings out even clearer something that is not seen by most.
Because one can clearly see from the text if we walk by the Spirit, we will not carry out the desire of the flesh. for these are in opposition to one another, so that you cannot do whatever you want.

Cannot do what? Whatever "WE" want, The desires of the flesh, sin.

Praise God! For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

Question my friend; Who or what determines we are walking in the Spirit?

Jesus answered this, He said, by our fruits we are known.

Paul concurs and through the Spirit says something else that is somewhat missed by a lot of us. He says if we are led, walking by the Spirit not fulfilling the lust of the flesh we are not under the Law.

What if we are only walking in the Spirit part time and are sinning occasionally, once in a while? Are we even in the Spirit?

Does a little leaven, leaven the whole?

And if we are only part timers, Walking in the Spirit when it suits and sinning every once and awhile. Are we under the tutor, the Book of the Law again? Are we truly of His Spirit, walking in it? Or are we a child of the Devil?





Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[HIM]

I won't even address the lack of merit in this argument because it's complete conjecture, however.. it's irrelevant because the context of Hebrews is clear. Hebrews 3 verbatim starts outs saying "consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession—Jesus..", so the relevant Subject of all that follows is about Him, not a "day".
3:19 states what the problem is, NOT a 'time zone issue", NOT a 'logistical mistake' but rather,
"So we see that they were not able to enter because of UNBELIEF..".
This is the only 'sin' mentioned in 10 chapters. The context is juxtaposing Unbelief... with Faith. Not 'error vs error', not 'misunderstanding'.. UNBELIEF.

One can believe yet be unfaithful. This was Israel's problem in the wilderness. The devils. believe yet tremble due to their disobedience, unfaithfulness. A lot of us have this issue also. And this issue is what Hebrews is talking about.


So let us hold our confidence firm unto the end. Not being harden by the deceitfulness of sin as they were in the wilderness. For we are Christ's House, His Body, the Temple of God. And it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour, help us that are tempted.

He is faithful, He will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that we may be able to bear [it]. In that He has given us all things that pertain to life and goddliness. For He has said, I will put my Laws in their hearts and minds, My Word in their mouths. I will create in them a new Spirit. And I will be to them their God and they shall be to me a people. For we are His offspring through Christ and in Him we live, move and have our being.


Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence All out spokeness) and the rejoicing of the hope (joyful expectatioon) firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest. (the promise land flowing with milk and honey, Christ Jesus)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Heb 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

 

[Leaf473]

The verses below do not say "walk by the Spirit and all Law has been fulfilled by Christ". No where does it say this in Galatians or anywhere that I am aware of.

It says, "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh"
Where did you get it from?



I like how the NASB translated verse 16. It brings out even clearer something that is not seen by most.
Because one can clearly see from the text if we walk by the Spirit, we will not carry out the desire of the flesh. for these are in opposition to one another, so that you cannot do whatever you want.

Cannot do what? Whatever "WE" want, The desires of the flesh, sin.

Praise God! For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

Question my friend; Who or what determines we are walking in the Spirit?

Jesus answered this, He said, by our fruits we are known.

Paul concurs and through the Spirit says something else that is somewhat missed by a lot of us.

He says if we are led, walking by the Spirit not fulfilling the lust of the flesh we are not under the Law.

Jesus was born under the law. What does the above mean for Jesus?

Ending with a psalm
I delight to do your will, my God. Yes, your law is within my heart

What if we are only walking in the Spirit part time and are sinning occasionally, once in a while? Are we even in the Spirit?

Does a little leaven, leaven the whole?

And if we are only part timers, Walking in the Spirit when it suits and sinning every once and awhile. Are we under the tutor, the Book of the Law again? Are we truly of His Spirit, walking in it? Or are we a child of the Devil?





Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[HIM]

Jesus was born under the law. What does the above mean for Jesus?

Ending with a psalm
I delight to do your will, my God. Yes, your law is within my heart

He was Born of the Spirit. Being born under is not the same as being under. Being of the Spirit he bore the fruits of the Spirit, of which there is no Law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I do not believe "under the law" means not keeping God's law, but the opposite.

It means not under the condemnation of the law - the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23 but if we are yielding to the Spirit, would one be in sin (breaking God's law) or keeping God's commandments.

Scripture tells we would be keeping God's Law = no condemnation

1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I think Paul here explains really well what under the law means

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

It means being guilty before God, under the condemnation

And we can see this clearly in his teachings

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

But he goes on to list several commandments saying if breaking we will not inherit God's Kingdom, just as see at His Second Coming Rev 22:14-15 Mat 7:21-23, so it doesn't mean not keeping God's Law.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Jesus was born under the Law, meaning under the condemnation and had temptations just as we do, but overcame, just as we can through His Spirit John 14:15-18

Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

But had He sinned, all salvation would be lost forever. He was victorious of sin and He also came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21

 

[Hentenza]

On these hang (depend) all the Law and the Prophets.

Hang, in other words depend on, because Love fulfills the Law. As it is written Romans 13. Fulfill, not does away.



Fulfilled because it Satisfactorily fully develops the character of the Law. Fulfilled does not negate, it Satisfactorily fully develops



Oxford- ful·filled
[fə(l)ˈfild]
adjective

1. satisfied or happy because of fully developing one's abilities or character:

Pleroma- to fulfill.

πλήρωμα plḗrōma, play'-ro-mah; from G4137; repletion or completion, i.e. (subjectively) what fills (as contents, supplement, copiousness, multitude), or (objectively) what is filled (as container, performance, period):—which is put in to fill up, piece that filled up, fulfilling, full, fulness.

The law is finished, repleted, completed. The oxford dictionary only gives the meaning of the translated word not the original, Greek word.

Even from the Oxford dictionary I don’t know where you got your definition or if you only copied what supported your belief but here is the definition of the English word fulfilled.

1. fulfill something to do or achieve what was hoped for or expectedto fulfill your dream/ambition/potential
2. fulfill something to do or have what is required or necessaryto fulfill a duty/an obligation/a promiseto fulfill the terms/conditions of an agreementNo candidate fulfills all the criteria for this position.

 

[Hentenza]

I do not believe "under the law" means not keeping God's law, but the opposite.

Which is your biggest error. You take the obvious and twisted by your false teachings.

It means not under the condemnation of the law - the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23 but if we are yielding to the Spirit, would one be in sin (breaking God's law) or keeping God's commandments.

We would be yielding to the Spirit NOT following the law. See is quite easy. No twisting necessary.

Scripture tells we would be keeping God's Law = no condemnation

1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I think Paul here explains really well what under the law means

Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

It means being guilty before God, under the condemnation

why would Paul even teach that. The gentiles is not under condemnation. Well maybe you are since you are having your keep all of the law,

“Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Romans 8:1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. | New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

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Aw look is so simple. A simple reading. No twisting or mental gymnastics.

And we can see this clearly in his teachings

Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Another easy reading. No twisting necessary.

But he goes on to list several commandments saying if breaking we will not inherit God's Kingdom, just as see at His Second Coming Rev 22:14-15 Mat 7:21-23, so it doesn't mean not keeping God's Law.

And the twisting begins. How does your twisted conclusion relate to the simple reading of Gal. 5:18? The scriptures are just a mass of contradictions to you.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

And who is he speaking of here? But wait there’s more.

“But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭18‬-‭26‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Galatians 5:18-26 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outburs | New American Standard Bible -

But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outburs

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Do you see the contrast between those that walk by the Spirit (those that are justified) and those that do not walk in the Spirit (those under the law which are not justified).

Jesus was born under the Law, meaning under the condemnation and had temptations just as we do, but overcame, just as we can through His Spirit John 14:15-18

Yep. And He totally and completely fulfilled it. No more law for the believer. Tell me what does the most famous verse in the Bible says:

““For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. | New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) | Download The Bible App Now

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

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Where is the addition of “and follow the law” in this verse?

Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

But had He sinned, all salvation would be lost forever. He was victorious of sin and He also came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21

Don’t you see? All sin except for one and that is the one that fulfilled the law and redeemed the believer from our sins. No one, including you, can say that “I” don’t sin because everyone sins.

“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteous | New American Standard Bible - NAS

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteous

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No law necessary.

 

[Hentenza]

The verses below do not say "walk by the Spirit and all Law has been fulfilled by Christ". No where does it say this in Galatians or anywhere that I am aware of.

It says, "But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh"
Where did you get it from?



I like how the NASB translated verse 16. It brings out even clearer something that is not seen by most.
Because one can clearly see from the text if we walk by the Spirit, we will not carry out the desire of the flesh. for these are in opposition to one another, so that you cannot do whatever you want.

Cannot do what? Whatever "WE" want, The desires of the flesh, sin.

Praise God! For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

Question my friend; Who or what determines we are walking in the Spirit?

Jesus answered this, He said, by our fruits we are known.

Paul concurs and through the Spirit says something else that is somewhat missed by a lot of us. He says if we are led, walking by the Spirit not fulfilling the lust of the flesh we are not under the Law.

What if we are only walking in the Spirit part time and are sinning occasionally, once in a while? Are we even in the Spirit?

Does a little leaven, leaven the whole?

And if we are only part timers, Walking in the Spirit when it suits and sinning every once and awhile. Are we under the tutor, the Book of the Law again? Are we truly of His Spirit, walking in it? Or are we a child of the Devil?





Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

If you are arguing FOR the law here you are failing miserably. My best advise to you is to read the scripture naturally and don’t twist the meanings as you did with the word fulfill in another one of your posts. Paul EXPLICITELY teaches that the believer is not under the law. We no longer need a guardian BECAUSE Christ came and we are saved by the grace of God through faith not by following the law. Following the law never justified anyone.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No law necessary.

That’s what the other spirit wants us to believe, that we can live and disobey God, the opposite of what God said. Sad this same deception is still working. No one is saved in their sins Heb 10:26-30 Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we need a conversion.

Jesus said:
If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John 2:6 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Mark 7:‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Rev 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Jesus said many will come in His name deceiving us, so I am going to stick with what Jesus taught and lived. But we are given free will.

 

[Hentenza]

That’s what the other spirit wants us to believe, that we can live and disobey God, the opposite of what God said. Sad this same deception is still working. No one is saved in their sins Heb 10:26-30 Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 we need a conversion.

Jesus said:
If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
1 John 2:6 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Rev 22:14 14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Jesus said many will come in His name deceiving us, so I am going to stick with what Jesus taught and lived. But we are given free will.

Continuing to regurgitate your false teachings won’t help you. I’ve already debunked every one of your isolated verse mining and twisted conclusions which is why you now dont quote any of my post because you are unable to address it. No law is necessary Or prescribed.

 

[XrxrX]

One can believe yet be unfaithful.

Even if we are unfaithful, He remains faithful.

This was Israel's problem in the wilderness. The devils. believe yet tremble due to their disobedience, unfaithfulness. A lot of us have this issue also. And this issue is what Hebrews is talking about.

The devils believe there is one God, they don't believe Jesus is their Savior... and yes, that is the problem with unbelievers... who by definition.. are NOT Believers.

So let us hold our confidence firm unto the end. Not being harden by the deceitfulness of sin as they were in the wilderness. For we are Christ's House, His Body, the Temple of God. And it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour, help us that are tempted.

He is faithful, He will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that we may be able to bear [it]. In that He has given us all things that pertain to life and goddliness. For He has said, I will put my Laws in their hearts and minds, My Word in their mouths. I will create in them a new Spirit. And I will be to them their God and they shall be to me a people. For we are His offspring through Christ and in Him we live, move and have our being.

And here we have plenty of verses showing how secure we are.. which people will cite in the same breath as claiming we "aren't"..

Heb 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence All out spokeness) and the rejoicing of the hope (joyful expectatioon) firm unto the end.
Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Heb 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Heb 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.
Heb 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest. (the promise land flowing with milk and honey, Christ Jesus)
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
Heb 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
Heb 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? [was it] not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Again, in the whole Epistle only one sin is mentioned, UNBELIEF. It's pretty clear what's being addressed. Many can't seem to get the nuance of the fact the writer (I believe Paul) is addressing a mixed audience, many of whom are Not born again, and are considering returning to their filthy rags of "works righteousness".

 

[Studyman]

Show us where Jesus ever stopped the Pharisees from making laws, and then we can discuss the real meaning of Eph 2:15.

No one said Jesus stopped the mainstream religions of this world from making their own laws, or their own judgments, ordinances, high days, images of God after the likeness of men, etc. When did I ever suggest such a thing. The commandments Jesus exposed and nailed to the cross, relegated Gentiles as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world".

I posted God's Word where HE tells us about the Non-Jew who turns to Him. Your master won't let you discuss them, or even consider them in a discussion about Paul's teaching. I asked you are anyone promoting this world's religious system, where God's commandments relegated Gentiles as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world", but you can not find even one place, one commandment from God.

It is also written by Paul,

Col. 2:14 Blotting out the "handwriting of ordinances" that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, "he made" a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

The deceiver would have us believe that Jesus did these things to His Father, the One True God. And you are promoting the same "course of this world", as prophesied.

But anyone who believes in the Jesus "of the bible" knows God's Laws are Holy, Just and good, and were not against Jesus, Paul or the Gentiles.

It wasn't God's Laws that led men astray, as you would have everyone believe. But you will not be convinced, even by the Word's of the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself, as HE Himself prophesies.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

The only way you and others of your nature can justify and promote Sabbath keeping and all of the other Old Covenant laws

According to the Christ, before HE became a man, "After those days" in the new covenant, God writes His Laws on the hearts of His People. His Holy Sabbath is only one of God's Laws. Stealing, lying to others, lusts after what is not yours, etc., are all Justified by the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Didn't God write His Laws on the heart of Jesus? Didn't Paul serve the Law of g/od with his mind?

You are here to justify your own disbelief in God, same as the Pharisees.

you possibly believe have to be kept is by twisting the meaning of 2Cor 3:6-11,

2 Cor. 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Ministration of death:

Lev. 4:27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;

28 Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.

29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay(Kill) the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.

30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar.

31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and "the priest" shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.


8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

Gal 3:19,

Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? (Ministration of death) It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Why was it added, "Till the Seed should come"? because it is written,

Heb. 10: 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but "a body hast thou prepared me": 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Was Abraham under this Levitical Priesthood "ministry"? NO, it was ADDED until 430 years after Abraham. But Abraham was obedient to God's Laws, as it is written;

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Just because you have been taught to reject the Word's of this /God, doesn't make them void.

Eh 2:15,

We have already established that you can not find even ONE Commandment of God that relegates a non-Jew as "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world". You are here to justify your rejection of god. But Paul's message to the Ephesians is not what you preach.

18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Who you preach to the world created Laws against the Church of God.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens "with the saints", and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, (Who you preach to the world Jesus came to destroy) Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

1Jn 3:19-24,

19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Matt. 4: 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Matt. 5: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Clearly you don't believe in this Jesus, or the Commandments HE gives to us.

Col 2:16-17

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

You preach these were God's "handwritting of ordinances, and that Jesus put God in His Place. What spirit would cause you to make such wicked and evil judgments against God and His Son. Just because you believe God is unworthy of your respect, doesn't mean Jesus lived by the same philosophy.

and many more texts that tell us we are not subject to the Laws of the Old Covenant.

As is already established, God's definition of /His Old Covenant, and yours are two completely different things. I'm sticking with the Christ "of the Bible", you are free to "Yield yourself" a servand to obey another voice if you like.

If you cannot prove Jesus ever stopped the man-made rules, then we are finished.

There is nowhere in any of my posts, or in the Bible that teaches, suggests or even implies that Jesus came to "Stop" the children of the devil from promoting their own religion. It's in fact, just the opposite, Jesus saw you coming, and told me to "Take Heed" I am not deceived by your "man-made" rules and judgments that HE exposed on the Cross, and nailed them there so I am free from them to serve the Living God.

 

[Leaf473]

He was Born of the Spirit. Being born under is not the same as being under. Being of the Spirit he bore the fruits of the Spirit, of which there is no Law.

He was born under, then immediately stopped being under?

the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel. By the time He knows enough to reject evil and choose good, He will be eating curds and honey. For before the boy knows enough to reject evil and choose good, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.

 

[Leaf473]

For whoever is interested, Romans 3:19 uses a different construction for "under the law" than what we see in Galatians or Corinthians

Trying to build a doctrine that "under the law" in Galatians means "under the condemnation of the law" based on Romans 3:19 leads to error, imo

Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not understand what the law says... Galatians 4

Who in their right mind would want to be under the condemnation of the law?

 

[Leaf473]

Another example from 1 Corinthians 9

To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), to win those under the law

How do you pretend to be under the condemnation of the law?

Closing with Psalm 119 I will delight in Your statutes

I will not forget Your word

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Those verses says nothing about Paul pretending to be under the condemnation of the law.

1 Cor 9:20 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;
Paul just like Jesus would go to great lengths to help people come to salvation Basically he was saying he was going to sinners, much like Jesus did. It didn't mean that Paul participated in sin.

 

[Hentenza]

For whoever is interested, Romans 3:19 uses a different construction for "under the law" than what we see in Galatians or Corinthians

Trying to build a doctrine that "under the law" in Galatians means "under the condemnation of the law" based on Romans 3:19 leads to error, imo

The proposition en used in Romans 3:19 literally translates to in. That really changes nothing regarding Paul’s condemnation of the law.

Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not understand what the law says... Galatians 4

Who in their right mind would want to be under the condemnation of the law?

All that falsely teach that the Christian are still subject to the law. I’ve seen a few around here.

 

[Hentenza]

Those verses says nothing about Paul pretending to be under the condemnation of the law.

1 Cor 9:20 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;
Paul just like Jesus would go to great lengths to help people come to salvation Basically he was saying he was going to sinners, much like Jesus did. It didn't mean that Paul participated in sin.

It didn’t mean that Paul followed the law either.