America Doesnt Want More Children

[ozso]

It's funny to me how not too long ago the panic was over overpopulation. Now the panic is over the birth rate dropping.

 

[durangodawood]

It's funny to me how not too long ago the panic was over overpopulation. Now the panic is over the birth rate dropping.

To my mind, the world couldnt bear the previous high birth rates forever.

But the prospect of de-population brings its own problems, mainly economic. I think we can handle these. But there will be some suffering and disappointment as a result.

 

[Nithavela]

You're generalizing from present conditions, dominated by a neo-liberal and post-colonialist world order, onto humanity in general.

People in indigenous societies, for instance, tended to prioritise relational responsibility, not just with present generations, but with future generations and the land. They don't celebrate uncontrolled growth as progress, but lived within limits presented by their environment as they understand it.

Sounds like a recipe for success. How are they doing?

 

[durangodawood]

Also I wonder if there is a "Christian position" on this?

I mean, its says be fruitful and multiply in Genesis. But that is just the kind of thing wed expect God to say when theres but a handful of people across the whole earth. I would expect the directions to be different once we've gotten to the point of destroying the rest of living creation.

 

[Fantine]

Prevent no. There's nothing preventing reproduction. There are however several factors in today's western society discouraging reproduction.

Such as the current administration's policies.

 

[ozso]

One thing when it comes to the high cost of housing that's been brought up. I looked up the average cost of a 2 bedroom house in Los Angeles 1975 and got approximately $40,000. I then looked up how much $40,000 was in 1975 compared to now, and got $40,000 in 1975 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $239,000 today. So are houses really more expensive now?

 

[rjs330]

Conservatives have mire babies than liberals do. They marry more often and have more kids. Liberals tend not to care a wit about the rapture and second coming.

In the last 12 years this increase in conservatives having more kids has gone up by 85%.

Babies are the future of humanity and as long as Democrats keep fear mongering their base and telling their base how hard it is to survive babies will lose out and so will humanity.

Having an intact family unit with a mother and father has been proven over and over again to provide the most stable environment to raise kids. It provides health and welfare. Thus country should do all it can to encourage families and children instead of fostering singleness and selfishness. And no that doesn't mean handouts.

It means finding and creating policies that benefit families. The greatest cost to families right now is housing. Find policies to that bring down housing costs. We can easily have enough money to raise kids if housing didnt eat up so much of our money. In the 70s housing took about 20% of your income. It climbed to 50% in the 80s and by the time Reagan was done it had dropped into the lower 30s. The 90s were up and down and when 2000 hit it held steady at between 29-30%.

Then during the Obama and Trump years it held steady between 20-25% of income with the biggest dip in 2020.

Then during Bidens presidency it climbed to 35% and as high as 37% in a matter of a few years.

Getting these prices down to 25% would be a big deal and help families financially and encourage family growth.

Also education is important. Educating people that the cost of their house vs income is not static. Their income as they get older will go up while their mortgage will stay the same. A mortgage is not like rent which can and will increase every year. If you pay 2000 a month in mortgage it wont go up. While your rent will. Its worth it in the long run.

Create policies that encourage saving for a house. Create policies that allow buyers to buy small pieces of land to build a house on instead of selling large tracks of land to developers to build big rental units. We dont need more rentals, we need need more spaces to buy. A home.

 

[rjs330]

One thing when it comes to the high cost of housing that's been brought up. I looked up the average cost of a 2 bedroom house in Los Angeles 1975 and got approximately $40,000. I then looked up how much $40,000 was in 1975 compared to now, and got $40,000 in 1975 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $239,000. So are houses really more expensive now?

Yes, see post 47.

 

[ozso]

Such as the current administration's policies.

Sure, the birthrate suddenly declined sharply in the 6 months Trump has been president.

 

[durangodawood]

One thing when it comes to the high cost of housing that's been brought up. I looked up the average cost of a 2 bedroom house in Los Angeles 1975 and got approximately $40,000. I then looked up how much $40,000 was in 1975 compared to now, and got $40,000 in 1975 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $239,000 today. So are houses really more expensive now?

239K in L.A. for an average 2br house? People would murder each other for that today. Figuratively speaking.

 

[Always in His Presence]

However, this is unrelated to progressive idealism.

We disagree.

Progressive ideas have been in the church for years and are becoming more and more verbal.

It is the progressive ideals that support abortion, homosexuality, trans etc.

 

[ozso]

239K in L.A. for an average 2br house? People would murder each other for that today. Figuratively speaking.

That was a poor choice. I'm more familiar with housing prices in las Vegas which is a lot closer to $240k.

 

[BCP1928]

We disagree.

Progressive ideas have been in the church for years and are becoming more and more verbal.

It is the progressive ideals that support abortion, homosexuality, trans etc.

How does that effect people's inclination to have fewer or no children? I agree that smaller family size has become something of a "progressive" ideal, but I don't see a direct connection between that and those issues you mention.

 

[Nithavela]

That was a poor choice. I'm more familiar with housing prices in las Vegas which is a lot closer to $240k.

You might want to double that number if you actually want to get close to the price.

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The Las Vegas, NV housing market is somewhat competitive, scoring 56 out of 100. The average Las Vegas house price was $458K last month, up 1.7% since last year.

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[chevyontheriver]

It's funny to me how not too long ago the panic was over overpopulation. Now the panic is over the birth rate dropping.

It's only a 'panic' for some of us. For others it is a glorious thing that humanity might end.

 

[Nithavela]

It's only a 'panic' for some of us. For others it is a glorious thing that humanity might end.

I can't wait.

 

[chevyontheriver]

I can't wait.

Thanks for the confirmation. I am not of that opinion however.

 

[durangodawood]

....Create policies that encourage saving for a house. Create policies that allow buyers to buy small pieces of land to build a house on instead of selling large tracks of land to developers to build big rental units. We dont need more rentals, we need need more spaces to buy. A home.

I'm a big fan of small single family lots/homes. Unfortunately most jurisdictions are not.

 

[wing2000]

That was a poor choice. I'm more familiar with housing prices in las Vegas which is a lot closer to $240k.

It seems you have not checked the Las Vegas housting market recently.

Las Vegas Housing Market: House Prices & Trends | Redfin

The Las Vegas, NV housing market is somewhat competitive, scoring 56 out of 100. The average Las Vegas house price was $458K last month, up 1.7% since last year.

www.redfin.com

 

[ozso]

You might want to double that number if you actually want to get close to the price.

Las Vegas Housing Market: House Prices & Trends | Redfin

The Las Vegas, NV housing market is somewhat competitive, scoring 56 out of 100. The average Las Vegas house price was $458K last month, up 1.7% since last year.

www.redfin.com

It seems you have not checked the Las Vegas housting market recently.

Las Vegas Housing Market: House Prices & Trends | Redfin

The Las Vegas, NV housing market is somewhat competitive, scoring 56 out of 100. The average Las Vegas house price was $458K last month, up 1.7% since last year.

www.redfin.com

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