The beast out of the sea

[Brian45]

Revelation 13 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

According to Daniels visions these animals are - Greek empire , Media Persia and Babylon and all can be seen here in this picture of the Greek empire. However , Italy Rome and the Vatican are not in this prophetic picture , so where did I go wrong ?

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 13 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

According to Daniels visions these animals are - Greek empire , Media Persia and Babylon and all can be seen here in this picture of the Greek empire. However , Italy Rome and the Vatican are not in this prophetic picture , so where did I go wrong ?

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The composite makeup of the beast out of the sea indicates that fourth kingdom of Daniel 7, the Roman Empire, its end times manifestation being the EU, will control the lands once held by Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek empires.

The ten horns on the beast in Revelation 13 are the ten kings of Daniel 7:23-25. The little horn person of that fourth kingdom who will emerge will be the head on the beast that will be mortally wounded but healed. i.e. the beast-king.

Here are the stages that the little horn person goes through to becoming the beast-king.

 

[RandyPNW]

Revelation 13 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

According to Daniels visions these animals are - Greek empire , Media Persia and Babylon and all can be seen here in this picture of the Greek empire. However , Italy Rome and the Vatican are not in this prophetic picture , so where did I go wrong ?

You went wrong when you made the assumption that the characteristics that once applied to Babylon, Persia, and Greece meant that in the Antichristian Empire those same characteristics referred to those ancient powers. It is *not* said that the Antichristian Empire has the territory of Greece, Persia, and Babylon. It only said thaat it has the same *characteristics* that they once had.

Those characteristics are not defined territories, but rather, certain animal-like attributes, such as a ferocity indicated by speed, weight, and dominance. All of those attributes will be seen in the Antichristian Empre--not the exact same geograpahical territories.

The fact Rome was the last of these ancient kingdoms, and the last to dominate in its own general region indicates that the region it was birthed in will be the same region it continues in in its historical evolution towards the Antichristian Empire.

And that is Europe, both East and West. But the center of power in both Eastern and Western Europe has shifted towards the North. In the West the center of power in Europe shiftted towards Germany, whereas in the East the center of power in Europe shifted towards Russia.

 

[tranquil]

Revelation 13 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

According to Daniels visions these animals are - Greek empire , Media Persia and Babylon and all can be seen here in this picture of the Greek empire. However , Italy Rome and the Vatican are not in this prophetic picture , so where did I go wrong ?

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There is no Daniel 7 4th Beast in Revelation 13's beast from the sea.

The dragon with 7 heads, 10 horns, 7 crowns (Rev 12:3) has control of the saints (Dan 7:25) for the same timeframe as the 2 witnesses. The Daniel 7 4th Beast is led by the 'dragon', who is Isa 14's Lucifer, who is the Rev 10 Mighty Angel who is confirming the Dan 9:27 covenant.

The 4th Beast dies at the 7th Trumpet. Then he (the 'dragon') gives his throne to the Rev 13 Beast from the sea.

Dan 7:11Then I kept watching because of the arrogant words the horn was speaking. As I continued to watch, the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. 12As for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was removed, but they were granted an extension of life for a season and a time.​

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When the 4th Beast is slain (Dan 7:11), then the 'rest of the beasts' (meaning the lion, bear, leopard) are given an extension - those 'rest of the beasts' are the Rev 13 Beast from the sea.

 

[PesachPup]

Revelation 13 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

According to Daniels visions these animals are - Greek empire , Media Persia and Babylon and all can be seen here in this picture of the Greek empire. However , Italy Rome and the Vatican are not in this prophetic picture , so where did I go wrong ?

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The beast that [looks] like a leopard with the feet of a bear and has the mouth of a lion will be the conglomerate kingdom that is represented by the great image of Daniel 2. The 4th kingdom of the 10 toes, aka the 10 horns, will unite these 4 kingdoms in the last days. God's ultimate purpose in them is the utter and complete desolation of the land of Israel.

There will be no resurrecting of the little horn. The little horn is the 4th king of the 4 kings that Daniel sees rising up from the sea. This sea, The Great Sea, is the realm of the dead. These four (resurrected) kings will rise just prior to the unified attack upon Israel. They are spoken of in Daniel 12:1,2 as those that sleep in the dust of the earth who [some] will be raised to everlasting contempt.
So what about Rev 13 where it says this beast from the sea... The Great Sea... suffers a mortal head wound and [yet] did live? It is a mistake to say that he dies. The world is in awe because he doesn't die. He is one of the 4 resurrected kings. He comes on the scene as the rider on the 1st horse of Rev 6. He is the beast from the great sea. How can we know that? By the thunder...

Rev 6:1-2 KJV 1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of THUNDER, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

This is the second of the seven thunders found in Revelation. The first one pertains to the 24 elders.

Rev 4:5 KJV And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

The seven thunders of Rev 10 are found in Revelation chapters 4,6,8,11,14,16 and 19. They correspond to the resurrecting/ redemption of (in order) :
1. The 24 elders (and 4 beasts) [ch.4]
2. The beast from the sea [ch.6],
3. The church [ch.8],
4. The prophets/ saints of Israel [ch.11]
5. The 144,000 [ch.14]
6. The 2 witnesses [ch.16, cf ch.11- great earthquake]
7. Those martyred by the beast, [ch.19].

This 4th kingdom will usurp the authority of the other 3 kings for a time and a season:

Dan 7:12 KJV As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

And then another king will rise from the bottomless pit, the beast from the earth:

Rev 9:11 KJV And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Dan 7:24 KJV And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The beast from the earth is the beast from the bottomless pit, found in the heart of the earth. This is the beast of Rev 17. Both the beast from the sea and the beast from the earth are immortal. One is a resurrected man. He is not the lion, leopard, or bear. He is the 4th beast. The other is an immortal angel. Collectively they are referred to as the beast and the false prophet. The lake of fire is reserved for punishment of the immortals, including those judged at the great white throne.

Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[Douggg]

When the 4th Beast is slain (Dan 7:11), then the 'rest of the beasts' (meaning the lion, bear, leopard) are given an extension - those 'rest of the beasts' are the Rev 13 Beast from the sea.

The fourth beast is not destroyed until Jesus returns. The little horn person from the fourth beast wears out the saints for a time, times, and the dividing of time (a half time), Daniel 7:25. Shown on my diagram below.

 

[Douggg]

The beast that [looks] like a leopard with the feet of a bear and has the mouth of a lion will be the conglomerate kingdom that is represented by the great image of Daniel 2. The 4th kingdom of the 10 toes, aka the 10 horns, will unite these 4 kingdoms in the last days. God's ultimate purpose in them is the utter and complete desolation of the land of Israel.

I don't think there is going to a Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, kingdoms (empires) in the end times. I think the composite make-up is strictly referring to the land areas once held by those three historic kingdoms.

 

[PesachPup]

I don't think there is going to a Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, kingdoms (empires) in the end times. I think the composite make-up is strictly referring to the land areas once held by those three historic kingdoms.

I don't think you understand what Daniel 2 is about. Prior to the kingdom of God (via Christ) crushing the great image into its individual pieces, there won't be these individual kingdoms of medo-persia, etc. But Daniel 2 says that the great image will be broken into its individual pieces together, ala, all at the same time.

Dan 2:35 KJV Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces TOGETHER, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

These four kings (not the kingdoms themselves) will then be present (resurrected at the time of the rider on the white horse's appearance) to resurrect the individual kingdoms, for the purpose of "consuming the kingdom of the beast".

Dan 7:25-26 KJV 25 And he [This HE is that ANOTHER KING that shall arise after the 10 horns, v.24] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

You need to read 2Esdras 12 and 13 to get a picture of how this will work.. These other 3 kings (who are subdued by the 4th kingdom) will be without a dominion to rule over FOR A SEASON AND A TIME. They will eventually return to power, under the auspices of the saints of the kingdom, and will, one by one, weaken the kingdom of the beast, until it is but a weak shadow of its former self. This is the picture of the Rev 17 beast. The 10 horns will be used to fulfill God's judgment on Israel.

Rev 17:16-17 KJV 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Who [?Israel?] will then be scattered into the 4 winds of heaven. The Rev 17 beast that has no crowns represents a kingdom with no God given authority to rule. The Rev 12 and 13 portrayals of the dragon and the beast have God given authority [CROWNS!] to rule, until Israel has been brought down... until the consumption decreed, cf Isa 10:22.

These 4 resurrected kings will be most certainly Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, and Alexander, and some 4th king that has already lived and died. Who this 4th king is, aka the little horn, I'm not sure. My beast guess would be Antiochus IV Epiphanes. But it could be one of the Ceasars. AE4 is a good guess because many view him as precursory forerunner to the last days little horn. What happens when this last days beasts' kingdom is in shambles? He then recruits the (modern day equivalent) of the giants of the kings of the east to overwhelm the children of Israel. But what the beast doesn't realize is that Israel is no longer afraid of the giants. They [the beast and the kings of the east] will fall on the mountains of Israel... in the valley of Megiddo, by an army of "Little Davids". See Micah 4:

Mic 4:11-13 KJV 11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion. 12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor. 13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

I hope this helps you to understand.
Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[tranquil]

The fourth beast is not destroyed until Jesus returns. The little horn person from the fourth beast wears out the saints for a time, times, and the dividing of time (a half time), Daniel 7:25. Shown on my diagram below.

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Your diagram has too many errors to discuss.

The 4th Beast is destroyed at the 7th Trumpet.

Dan 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time. ​

Please answer this question for yourself

If the Daniel 7 Little Horn is confirming the covenant (which he is), then he has power over the saints for the first half, doesn't he?

How is it such that he doesn't have power during the 1st half (by your reckoning)?

Of course, it shouldn't even have to be said, but it apparently does: the Daniel 7 Little Horn has power BEFORE he breaks the covenant.

That 'time, times, half a time' in Dan 7:25 is the 1st half of the 7 year covenant.

 

[Douggg]

Your diagram has too many errors to discuss.

I hear you. I have the same problem with some of the content by other posters.

If the Daniel 7 Little Horn is confirming the covenant (which he is), then he has power over the saints for the first half, doesn't he?

No. The little horn person, at the time he confirms (the Mt Sinai) covenant will be perceived to be the Jewish messiah (i.e. the Antichrist). For most of the first half, the world will be saying "peace and safety" thinking it has entered the messianic age.

However, about 3 years into the 7 years, the Antichrist shatters that delusion of a messianic age (with him being the thought-to-be messiah) when he commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

That 'time, times, half a time' in Dan 7:25 is the 1st half of the 7 year covenant.

No, the time, times, half time when the little horn person changes the times and seasons will be in the second half of the 7 years.

All three of the time, times, half time prophecies in the bible are in the second half.

Note on my diagram all of the identical time frames, such as the two 42 months references, are colored coded the same, and paired with each other.

42 months - 2 references
time, times, half time - 3 references
7 years - 2 references
1260 days - 2 references

 

[Douggg]

I don't think you understand what Daniel 2 is about. Prior to the kingdom of God (via Christ) crushing the great image into its individual pieces, there won't be these individual kingdoms of medo-persia, etc. But Daniel 2 says that the great image will be broken into its individual pieces together, ala, all at the same time.

Dan 2:35 KJV Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces TOGETHER, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.


Dan 7:25-26 KJV 25 And he [This HE is that ANOTHER KING that shall arise after the 10 horns, v.24] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

You need to read 2Esdras 12 and 13 to get a picture of how this will work.. These other 3 kings (who are subdued by the 4th kingdom) will be without a dominion to rule over FOR A SEASON AND A TIME. They will eventually return to power, under the auspices of the saints of the kingdom, and will, one by one, weaken the kingdom of the beast, until it is but a weak shadow of its former self. This is the picture of the Rev 17 beast. The 10 horns will be used to fulfill God's judgment on Israel.

Rev 17:16-17 KJV 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Who [?Israel?] will then be scattered into the 4 winds of heaven. The Rev 17 beast that has no crowns represents a kingdom with no God given authority to rule. The Rev 12 and 13 portrayals of the dragon and the beast have God given authority [CROWNS!] to rule, until Israel has been brought down... until the consumption decreed, cf Isa 10:22.

These 4 resurrected kings will be most certainly Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, and Alexander, and some 4th king that has already lived and died. Who this 4th king is, aka the little horn, I'm not sure. My beast guess would be Antiochus IV Epiphanes. But it could be one of the Ceasars. AE4 is a good guess because many view him as precursory forerunner to the last days little horn. What happens when this last days beasts' kingdom is in shambles? He then recruits the (modern day equivalent) of the giants of the kings of the east to overwhelm the children of Israel. But what the beast doesn't realize is that Israel is no longer afraid of the giants. They [the beast and the kings of the east] will fall on the mountains of Israel... in the valley of Megiddo, by an army of "Little Davids". See Micah 4:

Mic 4:11-13 KJV 11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion. 12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor. 13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

I hope this helps you to understand.
Be Blessed
The PuP

Esdras is not a recognized book in the KJV bible.

These four kings (not the kingdoms themselves) will then be present (resurrected at the time of the rider on the white horse's appearance) to resurrect the individual kingdoms, for the purpose of "consuming the kingdom of the beast".

I am not seeing any thing in Revelation 6 regarding four kings resurrecting the four historic kingdoms of Daniel 2.

It is a singular kingdom spoken of in Revelation 13 that has the composite appearance of a leopard, feet of a bear, mouth of a lion.

 

[PesachPup]

Esdras is not a recognized book in the KJV bible.


I am not seeing any thing in Revelation 6 regarding four kings resurrecting the four historic kingdoms of Daniel 2.

It is a singular kingdom spoken of in Revelation 13 that has the composite appearance of a leopard, feet of a bear, mouth of a lion.

Daniel 7.
The vision: 4 beasts arise from the sea.
Interpretation; 4 kings arise from the earth.
The vision: 3 beasts have their dominion taken away for a season and a time.
Interpretation: These 3 kings will not have a dominion to rule over FOR A time.
The vision: The 4th beast rules over the 10 horns and is given to the burning flame at the end of the vision.
Interpretation; the 4th king rule over the kingdom of 10 kingdoms. He is cast into the lake of fire.

The progression of the book of Daniel builds upon the vision of Daniel 2.
All 4 kingdoms are part of the great image and are simultaneously broken apart. Revelation doesn't tell is about the rise of these 4 kings. But we know from reading Daniel about the beast from the sea (is the 4th beast because he has 10 horns) and the (another) one that rises after ward... the beast from the earth. So the rest of Daniel 7 is still true and occurs at this time, even though it isn't mentioned in revelation.
Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 7.
The vision: 4 beasts arise from the sea.
Interpretation; 4 kings arise from the earth.
The vision: 3 beasts have their dominion taken away for a season and a time.
Interpretation: These 3 kings will not have a dominion to rule over FOR A time.
The vision: The 4th beast rules over the 10 horns and is given to the burning flame at the end of the vision.
Interpretation; the 4th king rule over the kingdom of 10 kingdoms. He is cast into the lake of fire.

The progression of the book of Daniel builds upon the vision of Daniel 2.
All 4 kingdoms are part of the great image and are simultaneously broken apart. Revelation doesn't tell is about the rise of these 4 kings. But we know from reading Daniel about the beast from the sea (is the 4th beast because he has 10 horns) and the (another) one that rises after ward... the beast from the earth. So the rest of Daniel 7 is still true and occurs at this time, even though it isn't mentioned in revelation.
Be Blessed
The PuP

Interpretation: Jesus will return to this earth bringing the kingdom of heaven to become the kingdom of God to rule over and have dominion over the nations. (in the Lord's prayer, we pray Father, may Your kingdom come, may Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.)

The nations of the world, but none organized as the European Union (the fourth beast manifested in the end times - that will be dismantled) will then be ruled by Jesus with a rod of iron for 1000 years - the season and time of Daniel 7:12.

 

[tranquil]

No. The little horn person, at the time he confirms (the Mt Sinai) covenant will be perceived to be the Jewish messiah (i.e. the Antichrist). For most of the first half, the world will be saying "peace and safety" thinking it has entered the messianic age.

However, about 3 years into the 7 years, the Antichrist shatters that delusion of a messianic age (with him being the thought-to-be messiah) when he commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.


No, the time, times, half time when the little horn person changes the times and seasons will be in the second half of the 7 years.

You just say that the Daniel 7 Little Horn has no power without any scripture. This is your own incorrect assumption. You just keep saying the same incorrect things over and over again.

Clearly, he has power in the first half, otherwise no one would be saying, peace and safety if he didn't have that power.

The Daniel 7 Little Horn only intends or tries to change times during the first half.

Dan 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.​

You can say that changing the times is part of breaking the covenant, but intending to change them would qualify as the first half.

 

[tranquil]

Interpretation: Jesus will return to this earth bringing the kingdom of heaven to become the kingdom of God to rule over and have dominion over the nations. (in the Lord's prayer, we pray Father, may Your kingdom come, may Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.)

The nations of the world, but none organized as the European Union (the fourth beast manifested in the end times - that will be dismantled) will then be ruled by Jesus with a rod of iron for 1000 years - the season and time of Daniel 7:12.

In Dan 7:25, it says 'time, times, half a time'. Which no one disputes as 3.5 years.

'Time' a few verses before in Dan 7:12's 'season and a time' is the same Hebrew word used there. So you are saying that in Dan 7:12, 'time' means 1000 years but in Dan 7:25, 'time' means a year?

Clearly, this is not correct.

Dan 7:12's 'season and a time' is the shortened version of Rev 13:5's 42 months shortened to literally 70 weeks - literally a year ('time') and a season. Dan 7:12's 'rest of the beasts' are the Lion, Bear, Leopard which are the animals of the Rev 13 beast from the sea.

 

[PesachPup]

Esdras is not a recognized book in the KJV bible.


I am not seeing any thing in Revelation 6 regarding four kings resurrecting the four historic kingdoms of Daniel 2.

It is a singular kingdom spoken of in Revelation 13 that has the composite appearance of a leopard, feet of a bear, mouth of a lion.

No book/ prophecy in the Bible presents a complete picture, not even the revelation.

That singular kingdom... is the one that subdues the other three kings... for a season and a time.

Daniel 7 tells us that it is that when another arises out of this 4th kingdom,

[Dan 7:24 KJV And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

that he subdues the other three kings. That is manifestly clear when Revelation says that he:
1. Looks like a leopard, [3rd kingdom]
2. Has the feet of a bear, [2nd kingdom]
3. And the mouth of a lion [1st kingdom]

He, (that another king) arises at the time when the 1st one (4th beast) suffers a mortal wound and is given an extension of time of 42 months. This matches what Daniel 7:25 says:

Dan 7:25 KJV And HE shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into HIS hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The time, times and dividing of time corresponds to the 42 months of Rev 13... when the 1st beast has suffered the mortal wound. The phrase "dividing of time" is not the same as in Dan 12 [or Rev 12] where it says half a time. Three Hebrew years will have either 37 or 38 complete lunar months. Rev 13 would have to say 43 or 44 months to equal 3.5 years. It doesn't. It is only through an understanding of the 7 thunders that it has become clear that the 4 kings (namely noting only the 4th) arise from the earth at the opening of the 1st Seal. But until the beast from the sea suffers a mortal wound (but does not die) his (and the other 3) immortality is not manifestly known. Until the 7th trumpet sounds, the mystery of immortality will remain a mystery. The first three thunders secretly confers immortality on the 24 elders, the 4 beasts/ kings and the rapture of the church, Rev 8. It is not until the 7th trumpet sounds and the saints and prophets (who have formerly died) are resurrected to occupy the kingdom, will the mystery of the resurrection, cease to be a mystery.

Rev 11:18 KJV And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

You got to put the pieces together.

Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[PesachPup]

In Dan 7:25, it says 'time, times, half a time'. Which no one disputes as 3.5 years.

'Time' a few verses before in Dan 7:12's 'season and a time' is the same Hebrew word used there. So you are saying that in Dan 7:12, 'time' means 1000 years but in Dan 7:25, 'time' means a year?

Clearly, this is not correct.

Dan 7:12's 'season and a time' is the shortened version of Rev 13:5's 42 months shortened to literally 70 weeks - literally a year ('time') and a season. Dan 7:12's 'rest of the beasts' are the Lion, Bear, Leopard which are the animals of the Rev 13 beast from the sea.

The dividing of time, found in Dan 7:25, does not equal 3.5 years. It's different wording than that found in Dan. 12:7. As i noted to Doug, 3 Hebrew (lunar) years will always have 37 or 38 months. The 42 months of Rev 13, because it is the same period as found in Dan 7:25, can only be 4 or 5 months longer than 3 years, and is not 3.5 years. The "dividing of TIME" can refer to any portion of a year, short of a whole year/ time. It is the same word used in verses 12 and 25 of Dan 7, but you are ignoring the part about the dividing of time. This time, times, and the "dividing" of time, refers to the time that the saints of the most High are given into the hand of him that arises AFTER the ten horns (and the little horn), see verse 24. If you can grasp that, you can then realize that the 42 months is not going to be equal to 3.5 years.

Be Blessed
The PuP

 

[tranquil]

The dividing of time, found in Dan 7:25, does not equal 3.5 years. It's different wording than that found in Dan. 12:7. As i noted to Doug, 3 Hebrew (lunar) years will always have 37 or 38 months. The 42 months of Rev 13, because it is the same period as found in Dan 7:25, can only be 4 or 5 months longer than 3 years, and is not 3.5 years. The "dividing of TIME" can refer to any portion of a year, short of a whole year/ time. It is the same word used in verses 12 and 25 of Dan 7, but you are ignoring the part about the dividing of time. This time, times, and the "dividing" of time, refers to the time that the saints of the most High are given into the hand of him that arises AFTER the ten horns (and the little horn), see verse 24. If you can grasp that, you can then realize that the 42 months is not going to be equal to 3.5 years.

Be Blessed
The PuP

Dan 7:25's 'time, times, half a time' is written in Aramaic (Dan 2:4-Dan 7:28 is in Aramaic).

Dan 12:7's 'time, times, half a time' is written in Hebrew - hence the discrepancy.

The 42 months of Rev 13 is not the same time period as Dan 7:25. Dan 7:25 (and Dan 12:7) are the 1st half.

The 42 months of Rev 13 is shortened to the aforementioned 'season and a time' of Dan 7:12.

The 'dividing of time' in Dan 7:25 is the Aramaic word, 'pelag', which means 'half'.

Dan 7 Little Horn arises when the ten horns have no power (Rev 12:3's 'seven heads, ten horns, seven crowns). The 7th king: 1 lion, 1 bear, 4 Leopard, + 1 king of the 4th Beast = 7th head.

 

[Douggg]

Dan 7 Little Horn arises when the ten horns have no power (Rev 12:3's 'seven heads, ten horns, seven crowns). The 7th king: 1 lion, 1 bear, 4 Leopard, + 1 king of the 4th Beast = 7th head.

The little horn person goes through 5 stages.

1. as the little horn leader of a group of ten EU leaders. (this is what to look for, should happen soon)

2. then after Gog/Magog, he becomes the prince that shall come of Daniel 9:26-27.

3. then, he is anointed the king of Israel, thought-to-be messiah becoming the Antichrist.

4. then, after about 3 years, he reveals himself to be the man of sin, 2Thessalonians2:4. End of his time as the Antichrist as the Jews will reject his claim of having achieved God-hood.

5. then, after being killed and come back to life, he becomes the beast-king of Revelation 13, and becomes dictator over the EU, supported by the ten kings that will rule with him.

 

[Douggg]

You got to put the pieces together.

Yes, this is the eschatology forum. We discuss a lot of complex topics, which there are numerous explanations and disagreements. It is the nature of the forum. Which is why I don't make personal degrading comments of other posters who disagree with me and/or I with them.

Posters who post long posts, many of which, if not most, are hard to follow - does indicate that they have spent a lot of time studying the scriptures and have a dedicated interest in eschatology.

So to make personal degrading comments about and to such posters is not appropriate imo.