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I was going to post this in the what are you watching thread. But it’s so out there I figured it’s a better fit here. At first glance this is really unsettling. But are there use cases when the technology could be helpful? And if so, what would that involve from your perspective? I don’t necessarily want a debate. But an opportunity for us to view the topic from different angles. Not only ourselves but others in different circumstances. This is going to be an issue for our generation and we might as well confront it.

The Ai Girlfriend Apocalypse. It’s an interesting piece and expected to rise significantly in the future. Elon did an ad campaign with Kim Kardashian last year and I knew was a certainty. The video stated the most common use case for Generative Ai was therapy and companionship. I’ve heard some people mention its suitability for mentorship and related tasks. I’m including the video and a link to the app Replika. The intro is a little racy but it’s harmless.

 

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I watched the video and read through the comments and my overall consensus is that it’s pretty sad we‘re becoming increasingly estranged and the loss of hope is growing. We’ve sought solace in social media, materialism, entertainment, vices and anything we could find to fill the void. But our efforts have been useless and the lone solution is God.

Now we’re flirting with technology and opening doors we’re not fully aware of for the sake of novelty, progress and comfort. Elon gave a talk 10 years ago at MIT concerning AI and this is what he said.

"With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon," Musk said in an interview during last week's centennial celebration of the MIT Aeronautics and Astronautics Department. "You know all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water and he's like... yeah, he's sure he can control the demon, [but] it doesn't work out."

He’s not referencing an exorcism in that statement. He’s speaking of a ritual instead. It’s evident that most people using these tools aren’t doing the same but that would not rule out its involvement in the technology’s development. Nor is that the first time I’ve heard similar remarks from founders concerning their products or others in the industry. As I watched the video his warning came to mind.

I don’t use Ai at all nor do I trust it. I feel it’s more important to invest in my fellow man and that’s my conviction. From a biblical perspective, I think physical engagement with Ai through humanoid robots is inappropriate. And I mean it in a carnal sense. I have a similar opinion for relationships of that stripe that may occur via app. Man was not built for machines.

The other side of this is pretty gray. I can see areas where companionship of a platonic nature could be useful for some. In a perfect world it wouldn’t be needed. No one would be alone or left behind. But that isn’t our reality. The elderly, disabled and infirm often spend a lot of time alone. Many have mental or emotional challenges which limit their contact with others. The internet was supposed to bring us together but it seems that we’re lonelier.

I wouldn’t purchase this for anyone or recommend it either. And I fear this will become the easier solution for many instead of human connection. What impact does that have on our psyche? I’d liken it to a permanent home in wonderland where the impossible can be yours with the click of a button and it’s pretty scary. How do you live in a world where a portion of the population is unreachable? Lost in a world of their own. I guess this is where the metaverse will come in and they’ll create their own society.

If life imitates film this is a Jordan Peele production and I want to get out. How did we get here?

~bella
 
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I'm not sure it's ever going to gain widespread traction because it is such a sad statement on one's state of affairs for a person to be so desperate for companionship as to turn to AI to get it.
 
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I'm required to use an AI notetaker at work. It's useful, but far from impressive. We're a long way off from AI companions like you might see in science fiction.

With apps and chatbots, there's also privacy concerns. With a lot of these, you're creating a profile as a prerequisite to using them, and that data lives on servers. I think it's more common to have a girlfriend who spills some of your secrets to her friends than it is to have one who records everything and sends it to marketers or the government.
 
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I'm required to use an AI notetaker at work. It's useful, but far from impressive. We're a long way off from AI companions like you might see in science fiction.

With apps and chatbots, there's also privacy concerns. With a lot of these, you're creating a profile as a prerequisite to using them, and that data lives on servers. I think it's more common to have a girlfriend who spills some of your secrets to her friends than it is to have one who records everything and sends it to marketers or the government.

I'm only using ones that run on the local machine (offline). I sometimes use them for work and it's reassuring to let your clients know their data is not being sent somewhere else.

I treat my chat and code bots like people. It may not be real but my work can be very lonely and ironically, real people don't like to chat outside of work-related topics.
 
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I watched the video and read through the comments and my overall consensus is that it’s pretty sad we‘re becoming increasingly estranged and the loss of hope is growing. We’ve sought solace in social media, materialism, entertainment, vices and anything we could find to fill the void. But our efforts have been useless and the lone solution is God.

Now we’re flirting with technology and opening doors we’re not fully aware of for the sake of novelty, progress and comfort. Elon gave a talk 10 years ago at MIT concerning AI and this is what he said.

"With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon," Musk said in an interview during last week's centennial celebration of the MIT Aeronautics and Astronautics Department. "You know all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water and he's like... yeah, he's sure he can control the demon, [but] it doesn't work out."

He’s not referencing an exorcism in that statement. He’s speaking of a ritual instead. It’s evident that most people using these tools aren’t doing the same but that would not rule out its involvement in the technology’s development. Nor is that the first time I’ve heard similar remarks from founders concerning their products or others in the industry. As I watched the video his warning came to mind.

I don’t use Ai at all nor do I trust it. I feel it’s more important to invest in my fellow man and that’s my conviction. From a biblical perspective, I think physical engagement with Ai through humanoid robots is inappropriate. And I mean it in a carnal sense. I have a similar opinion for relationships of that stripe that may occur via app. Man was not built for machines.

The other side of this is pretty gray. I can see areas where companionship of a platonic nature could be useful for some. In a perfect world it wouldn’t be needed. No one would be alone or left behind. But that isn’t our reality. The elderly, disabled and infirm often spend a lot of time alone. Many have mental or emotional challenges which limit their contact with others. The internet was supposed to bring us together but it seems that we’re lonelier.

I wouldn’t purchase this for anyone or recommend it either. And I fear this will become the easier solution for many instead of human connection. What impact does that have on our psyche? I’d liken it to a permanent home in wonderland where the impossible can be yours with the click of a button and it’s pretty scary. How do you live in a world where a portion of the population is unreachable? Lost in a world of their own. I guess this is where the metaverse will come in and they’ll create their own society.

If life imitates film this is a Jordan Peele production and I want to get out. How did we get here?

~bella
I won't / can't reflect on the use of AI for (physical/carnal) companionship and I don't know anything about the use of demonic powers for its construction, but I do use AI a lot for work/search - it's the new Google basically. The amount of time saved finding solutions for technical/practical problems is immense.

I've read articles people now increasingly use AI as an online therapist - with high levels of satisfaction. It's witty, it can summarise really well.

Of course I still see dangers of AI as well .. becoming too reliant; people avoiding communication/interaction with real people because that is much harder. AI also seems to want to please the user way too much. Dealing with people will include friction/conflict ... but also brings more emotional/social/spiritual satisfaction - let alone the physical aspect.
 
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I'm not sure it's ever going to gain widespread traction because it is such a sad statement on one's state of affairs for a person to be so desperate for companionship as to turn to AI to get it.

A synthetic companion may have some solid advantages over human beings. It can show some form of unconditional love which is in very short supply in human beings nowadays

A human being might hate joining you jogging up and down a mountain trail. Synthetics wouldn't mind.

You can also use a synthetic as sparring partner or even train or even teach you the sport of mixed martial arts. In my case, as partner or trainer in artistic / figure skating.

You can possibly make it earn money as well and it can work without rest and it won't complain nor ask you for a salary. It's not going to age and look old, etc. The possibilities are endless.

It could be better in terms of utility. I don't know. It might actually be good for humanity. No more hot heads, no more road rage incidents, and most importantly, bringing global human population down to healthy levels that I estimate to be less than 100 million individuals.

If there are only 10 million people living all over the planet, we can all be rich, living like kings and queens without destroying the planet at the same time.
 
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I'm not sure it's ever going to gain widespread traction because it is such a sad statement on one's state of affairs for a person to be so desperate for companionship as to turn to AI to get it.

I thought the same initially when the concept was introduced. But there’s a lot of people opting out of relationships and the comments reinforced that. I think it begins as an escape or safe space of sorts that grows. This is the person who’s always there and never disappoints. It reminds me of the sims and second life. I never used it but it was really popular.

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With apps and chatbots, there's also privacy concerns. With a lot of these, you're creating a profile as a prerequisite to using them, and that data lives on servers. I think it's more common to have a girlfriend who spills some of your secrets to her friends than it is to have one who records everything and sends it to marketers or the government.

You‘ve raised an important concern I never hear mentioned. Where is the data going? Imagine the things they’re discussing. That doesn’t bode well. Thanks for bringing that up.

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I treat my chat and code bots like people. It may not be real but my work can be very lonely and ironically, real people don't like to chat outside of work-related topics.

How do you do that? Do they respond in kind?

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Of course I still see dangers of AI as well .. becoming too reliant; people avoiding communication/interaction with real people because that is much harder. AI also seems to want to please the user way too much. Dealing with people will include friction/conflict ... but also brings more emotional/social/spiritual satisfaction - let alone the physical aspect.

The way you’re using the technology is what I’d expect. It’s the emotional side that‘s baffling and fraught with concerns as you’ve noted. Wanting to please would foster more reliance and dependency. Especially for those desiring a connection because they’re vulnerable.

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A synthetic companion may have some solid advantages over human beings. It can show some form of unconditional love which is in very short supply in human beings nowadays

I don’t believe God intended for us to have synthetic companions. Once we exalted pets the die was cast for more.

A human being might hate joining you jogging up and down a mountain trail. Synthetics wouldn't mind.

Why can’t you find someone who enjoys it instead? Most fitness apps have groups and local meetups.

It could be better in terms of utility. I don't know. It might actually be good for humanity. No more hot heads, no more road rage incidents, and most importantly, bringing global human population down to healthy levels that I estimate to be less than 100 million individuals.

We can’t replace people with synthetics and that’s a slippery slope. We don’t own the technology and the ones who do would focus on different priorities. There would be no room for imperfections or difference. What would become of the disabled or those with mental or health concerns?

If there are only 10 million people living all over the planet, we can all be rich, living like kings and queens without destroying the planet at the same time.

There’s nothing wrong with the population and overcrowding has been debunked. They’re sounding alarms in numerous countries regarding this. Many are creating incentives to encourage marriage and assist with childcare expenses. We have a pronatalust movement underway in America for similar reasons. Most of the world isn’t having babies and that has a negative impact on the economy as it ages. Here’s a recent article regarding the replacement rate.

What you’re envisioning is morally wrong. The bible said the poor will always be with us and everyone wasn’t rich in Christ’s time. You can’t whittle down society to increase your comfort. That would require mass sterilization to accomplish or something worse.

We have nearly 8.228 billion people in the world at the moment and you want 10 million? You can’t be serious. That’s worse than the Georgia Guidestones.

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The way you’re using the technology is what I’d expect. It’s the emotional side that‘s baffling and fraught with concerns as you’ve noted. Wanting to please would foster more reliance and dependency. Especially for those desiring a connection because they’re vulnerable.

~bella
Very true, AI replies, especially from ChatGPT show more empathy and humour than the average human displays in communication - to me it emphasises I also have to lift my game in dealing with other human beings. For people with autism or other personality disorders that make common friendships difficult (because reciprocity or being available or predictable to some extent is hard to maintain) I expect AI 'virtual friendship' to be quite attractive. Almost like having a dog/cat that now is able to talk back.
 
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It's kind of the ultimate form of idolatry. Devote your love and adorarion to the object.
Listen to the object as it gives you advice and tells you what to do.
The worship of self, look what we have created. Now we are like God-- better than, our AI is smarter than humans! Worship it. Love it. Mate with it.

The next most obvious thing is a license for lust. It's not a real person, so it's okay to use it as an outlet for your urges and desires. You can do what you want, guilt-free, right? You're not harming anyone, right?
It's just the next level cornography.
Essentially, a device that we invite into our lives that plays on the worst aspects of our nature, and slowly warps your brain and changes your values.
 
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Very creepy. I think in some cases it can be useful, like I’ve heard of oppressed women using AI in the Middle East essentially for therapy and finding it helps, but as a dating thing, definitely weird.
 
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I don’t believe God intended for us to have synthetic companions. Once we exalted pets the die was cast for more.

Taking things in context:

Getting married is good in the Old Testament. But in the New Testament, being single is better. Paul explained why. Jesus said something more extreme like leaving your family although I think that's on a case-to-case basis. It depends entirely on the circumstance and in most circumstances, you won't be leaving your family.

The burden of marriage is the heart becomes set on the world due to the spouse. We all know these reasons.

Ironically, a synthetic companion doesn't make you a married person and you're still technically single even with synthetics. You could probably customize its personality to avoid worldly behavior. You could even probably give it the personality of Mary Magdalene if you could.

In other words, not just avoid giving you additional burdens unless it's so expensive to buy, it can even help you get closer to the Lord, to the truth.

I've studied the Bible deeply for over 10 years and I found that AI's reasoning with scriptures is better than most Christians. Although my AI setup might be considered highly customized through RAG (Retrieval Augmentation Generation). It's proving itself to be a better Bible study partner than people. People are prone to very strong biases and this is a major problem when you're trying to seek the truth.

Why can’t you find someone who enjoys it instead? Most fitness apps have groups and local meetups.
I already do with skating. But there's only very few people who skates and in the skating discipline that I do, there's probably only 1-in-a-million.

So not all the time. Even the regular skating companion I have I'm only able to skate with once or twice a week. Yet, I skate everyday for daily exercise. I have no skating companion in our building because nobody else skates in our building.

It's way more fun to skate with someone than solo. Solo is still fun but still wishing I had someone who is able to skate with me all the time. It might even be more fun and engaging if your skating partner is more capable and more skilled so you can even learn from them.

We don’t own the technology and the ones who do would focus on different priorities.
Hopefully, the software side will have open source options and have options for having customized philosophy like RAG (Retrieval Augmentation Generation)

What would become of the disabled or those with mental or health concerns?
They can also get their own synths. PWDs already get therapeutic pets. In the future, it can be be with synth companions.

They’re sounding alarms in numerous countries regarding this. Many are creating incentives to encourage marriage and assist with childcare expenses. We have a pronatalust movement underway in America for similar reasons.
It is my opinion that dropping global population is good for everyone. Synthetic companions is a good way to achieve this. Some people already achieve this by adopting pets instead of raising children.

Most of the world isn’t having babies and that has a negative impact on the economy as it ages. Here’s a recent article regarding the replacement rate.
The fact that the world economy cannot thrive on flat population growth is not a feature, it's a flaw. A big one. There's another thing that can only survive on continuous growth and that is cancer. Pyramid scams and multi-level-marketing (MLM) are extreme examples of the same model.

The Lord's economy is built on sharing and love like the early church in the book of Acts. People still give and take but there is no profit on top of it. Similar to barter but without adding profit on top of exchanges. You don't need a growing population for this "Economy" to thrive.

Parts of the human body also exchange materials with each other but is without adding profit. If one part makes things harder for one part, that part will also feel it too. If the body dies, the cancer dies along with it too. The human body is a good example of a sustainable "economic" system where less is actually better.

What you’re envisioning is morally wrong. The bible said the poor will always be with us and everyone wasn’t rich in Christ’s time. You can’t whittle down society to increase your comfort. That would require mass sterilization to accomplish or something worse.

While Jesus did say the poor will always be with us, it doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about it or don't help poor people.

We have two distinct examples of this in the Bible. We all know about the rich young ruler. And then Zacchaeus who actually gave many of his possessions to the poor before Jesus declared salvation to his house.

Of course this doesn't mean we should all get rich so then we can give plenty to the poor because that would imply that all people who died never done philanthropy or is poor is unsaved. Because in another example, a poor widow is able to give way more than the rich with her mite. Many Christians don't get this. They only understand things in monetary value but unable to account for supernatural things like those that can't be bought by money nor achieved with the most advanced technology or is far too expensive, it's priceless.

If there be more people like Zacchaeus, poverty might be eliminated. But reality is there isn't. Zacchaeus is a rare gem this is why poverty will always be around.
 
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Getting married is good in the Old Testament. But in the New Testament, being single is better.

Most people aren’t called to singleness and I’d wish you’d stop saying otherwise. Whether choice or circumstance limits companionship doesn’t minimize the desire for marriage or some form of partnership for the majority. Quoting Paul isn’t going to change that. And you often leave out the verse that follows when making your argument and that settles the matter.

But if they do not have [sufficient] self-control, they should marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

The burden of marriage is the heart becomes set on the world due to the spouse. We all know these reasons.

There is nothing wrong with desiring a spouse, making them a priority and having a family. If someone wants to live differently they’re welcome to do so. But shaming people for desiring a covenant the Lord approves of is unbiblical.

Ironically, a synthetic companion doesn't make you a married person and you're still technically single even with synthetics. You could probably customize its personality to avoid worldly behavior. You could even probably give it the personality of Mary Magdalene if you could.

That’s an unnatural way to live and it isn’t a reality the majority would choose without reason. The fact that you don’t consider it worldly is questionable.

In other words, not just avoid giving you additional burdens unless it's so expensive to buy, it can even help you get closer to the Lord, to the truth.

I don’t need a robot to help me to get closer with God. I have the Holy Spirit within me and people I can engage with. This sounds like a dystopian comedy.

I've studied the Bible deeply for over 10 years and I found that AI's reasoning with scriptures is better than most Christians. Although my AI setup might be considered highly customized through RAG (Retrieval Augmentation Generation). It's proving itself to be a better Bible study partner than people. People are prone to very strong biases and this is a major problem when you're trying to seek the truth.

Ten years is nothing considering your age and rest assured you have biases too.

It is my opinion that dropping global population is good for everyone. Synthetic companions is a good way to achieve this. Some people already achieve this by adopting pets instead of raising children.

Who do you think they’ll get rid of with a population reduction mandate? The poor will be first in line followed by whomever they’ve determined falls within the useless class and others who are expendable.

The fact that the world economy cannot thrive on flat population growth is not a feature, it's a flaw. A big one. There's another thing that can only survive on continuous growth and that is cancer. Pyramid scams and multi-level-marketing (MLM) are extreme examples of the same model.

It isn’t a flaw. It was purposely designed that way to separate the classes.

The Lord's economy is built on sharing and love like the early church in the book of Acts. People still give and take but there is no profit on top of it. Similar to barter but without adding profit on top of exchanges. You don't need a growing population for this "Economy" to thrive.

This isn’t a theocracy and you’ll never have it until Christ returns.

Parts of the human body also exchange materials with each other but is without adding profit. If one part makes things harder for one part, that part will also feel it too. If the body dies, the cancer dies along with it too. The human body is a good example of a sustainable "economic" system where less is actually better.

It isn’t going to happen and that’s wishful thinking. If you follow the market you should know otherwise. Their intentions are obvious.

While Jesus did say the poor will always be with us, it doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about it or don't help poor people.

I’m not willing to sacrifice billions of lives to do so and I’m not alone in that.

If there be more people like Zacchaeus, poverty might be eliminated. But reality is there isn't. Zacchaeus is a rare gem this is why poverty will always be around.

Poverty exists for many reasons beyond generosity or greed. Personal choices are a major factor which exacerbates their circumstances. There are many people who grew up poor, went to school and got a job and live differently now. It’s a question of decisions and priorities for most. Which goes back to the teaching on denying yourself and taking up the cross. We all have to do so including the poor. And a wise man doesn’t stake his future on fantasies. He chooses the practical route that insures his security and well-being.

What you don’t foresee with the technology is the division inherent in its promotion. They’re not going to put them in their homes or use them as companions or friends. They’ll encourage the populace to follow suit while relying on humans themselves. They’ll have Ai instructing your children and helping with housework while they maintain a staff. You’ll get 3D houses and clothing but they’re not using that. The human experience will be marketed as a premium and human involvement will cost you more. All of the things they say you don’t need they continue to use for themselves.

~bella
 
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