Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[JesusFollowerForever]

I wanted to come back to this.

I've been with The Lord Jesus since 3:36 AM January 3 1992 when I gave my life to Him on the back of a Naval ship. My introduction to Jesus was very much like Paul's, filled with major experiences, and has been ever since that morning.

If I was doing things wrongly since then, He would have already told me about it years ago. You see, i don't have a relationship with my bible, I have a day to day relationship with the risen Lord. We talk all the time.

He's no made mention to me about needing to follow the law of Moses instead of the leading of The Holy Spirit, and until He does, your personal suggestions on here will continue to be disregarded.

He comes first in my life, not you or anyone else.

Arbiter, I never said to follow the law of Moses, but the Ten Commandments. most of the laws of Moses cannot be followed today.

Question one: Do you see a difference between the Ten Commandments and the Laws of Moses?

Question two; Do you believe what Jesus said that to enter into live we have to follow the commandments that He enumerated? in Matthew 19:16:19?

16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good[a] Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?" 17 So He said to him, [b]“Why do you call Me good? [c]No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”18 He said to Him, “Which ones? Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’"

 

[ARBITER01]

When Paul was establishing his churches, he would lay hands on the members, and they would be filled with the Holy Spirit. And yet, when writing back to the church at Corinth, he had to call out a situation where a man was sleeping with his stepmother (1 cor 5). Why did he, Paul, have to provide external input to these people? Why hadn’t they already been instructed in this by the Spirit, which had come on them with Paul’s laying of hands?

Likewise, Jesus said

(Matt 18:15) `If your brother does something wrong to you, go to him. Talk alone to him and tell him what he has done. If he listens to you, you have kept your brother as a friend.

16 But if he does not listen to you, take one or two others with you to talk to him. Then two or three people will hear every word and can prove what was said.

17 If he does not listen to them, tell the church. If he does not listen to the church, treat him as one who does not believe in God and as bad as a tax collector.

So @ARBITER01, I disagree with what I hear you saying, namely, that there is no role for external guidance among God’s people. Yes, there is the old testament prophecy that the spirit will tell us “this is the way, walk in it“, but that doesn’t preclude the Biblical role we have of helping and correcting our fellow believers.

Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron,
so one person sharpens another

Best wishes,

Kevin

I'm not sure what you're talking about. My statement had nothing to do with that.

 

[ARBITER01]

Arbiter, I never said to follow the law of Moses, but the Ten Commandments. most of the laws of Moses cannot be followed today.

Question one: Do you see a difference between the Ten Commandments and the Laws of Moses?

No, and I won't.

Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Question two; Do you believe what Jesus said that to enter into live we have to follow the commandments that He enumerated? in Matthew 19:16:19?

No.

The whole of the NT testament teachings was given to Paul. Jesus dealt with people who were still under the law of moses until His death and the New covenant in His blood.

 

[rachelrising]

Hi all, I was going to start a thread on this, but have come and seen there is one already on this. I think that the 10 Commandments still stand for the reasons I have given. I will read through all of the post, but will paste first what I was going to post. I find it concerning how this information is given on websites that the 10 Commandments is no longer binding as such for Christians and some argue there is no custom law for the Sabbath either. I did email the website about this I linked but they referred me to their reasons why those holds those views. I am thankful for the spiritual advisers I have in my life and my own education as well in this subject.

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Hello to all of you. I hope life is treating you all well.

Me, I was looking at this subject again because somebody asked me a question which led me to search this out. I somehow ended searching if the Ten Commandments are still law for Christians today. From my childhood it was instilled in me that the Ten Commandments were still the law for Christians and that Jesus didn’t come to do away with all of the old laws but came to fulfil them to their logical conclusion.

What I read on one webpage though when the above was somewhere in the back of my mind was to question if this was so and it is not. I also read that the Bible does not support Sunday service which isn’t true either.

Some people will be sold on things like this.

This scripture in support of the Ten Commandments and Sabbath going. What do you think of this the original I read from a well visited website. I also read a few weeks ago that Satan has a plan to cause problem for Church’s overseen by Jesus of course who is the head of the Church.

King James Bible See (Matthew 5:17)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
There is also mention of the Commandments in the Book of Revelations-(Revelations 22:14)
Jesus himself would worship his father on the Sabbath as well as standard please scripture evidence for it- (Luke 4:16-21).
The Bible tells us not to forsake the gathering and the worshipping together or ourselves as believers. (Hebrews 10:25)


You can see the link to what threw me a bit who knew the truth. I can’t believe some of the things which circulate online.

Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? | GotQuestions.org

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hi all, I was going to start a thread on this, but have come and seen there is one already on this. I think that the 10 Commandments still stand for the reasons I have given. I will read through all of the post, but will paste first what I was going to post. I find it concerning how this information is given on websites that the 10 Commandments is no longer binding as such for Christians and some argue there is no custom law for the Sabbath either. I did email the website about this I linked but they referred me to their reasons why those holds those views. I am thankful for the spiritual advisers I have in my life and my own education as well in this subject.

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Hello to all of you. I hope life is treating you all well.

Me, I was looking at this subject again because somebody asked me a question which led me to search this out. I somehow ended searching if the Ten Commandments are still law for Christians today. From my childhood it was instilled in me that the Ten Commandments were still the law for Christians and that Jesus didn’t come to do away with all of the old laws but came to fulfil them to their logical conclusion.

What I read on one webpage though when the above was somewhere in the back of my mind was to question if this was so and it is not. I also read that the Bible does not support Sunday service which isn’t true either.

Some people will be sold on things like this.

This scripture in support of the Ten Commandments and Sabbath going. What do you think of this the original I read from a well visited website. I also read a few weeks ago that Satan has a plan to cause problem for Church’s overseen by Jesus of course who is the head of the Church.

King James Bible See (Matthew 5:17)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
There is also mention of the Commandments in the Book of Revelations-(Revelations 22:14)
Jesus himself would worship his father on the Sabbath as well as standard please scripture evidence for it- (Luke 4:16-21).
The Bible tells us not to forsake the gathering and the worshipping together or ourselves as believers. (Hebrews 10:25)


You can see the link to what threw me a bit who knew the truth. I can’t believe some of the things which circulate online.

Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? | GotQuestions.org

Thanks for your post and thoughts. Yes, sadly many people refer to the internet for their doctrine, which was written by man, over what God wrote with His own finger and spoke with His own voice, and called it "My" commandments Exo 20:6 "My" covenant Deut 4:13 "My" Testimony Exo 31:18 as if there is anyone greater than He. God numbered them by design- Ten Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13, not nine, sadly most teaching to forget the one commandment God said Remember Exo 20:8 and holds His signature/seal Exo 20:11 that He chose to place in the 4th commandment. Without it, we might as well toss out the other nine commandments, because a law without have a seal as to who wrote it, their title ad territory is meaningless. I can see why the other spirit is constantly attacking the 4th commandment. We just need to listen to one voice, that is God's and He will keep us safe on the narrow path back to reconciliation Rev 22:14

God bless!

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

thank you

No, and I won't.

Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.



No.

The whole of the NT testament teachings was given to Paul. Jesus dealt with people who were still under the law of moses until His death and the New covenant in His blood.

thank you for answering truthfully. I now understand that you do not believe what Jesus, the Son of God, the messiah, one with God said and was teaching and that you follow false doctrine and reject the truth. I am just stating facts and not judging you.

 

[ARBITER01]

thank you

thank you for answering truthfully. I now understand that you do not believe what Jesus, the Son of God, the messiah, one with God said and was teaching and that you follow false doctrine and reject the truth. I am just stating facts and not judging you.

Sorry, but not everyone is going to accept your personal ideas about scripture.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

wha

Sorry, but not everyone is going to accept your personal ideas about scripture.

what Jesus wrote and made clear is not my personal interpretation, see below;

But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”18 He said to Him, “Which ones? Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’"


at the end it is your choice, this is why we are here today;

The Choice of Life and Death​

Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.

Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?

Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Deu 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;

Deu 30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

 

[CoreyD]

No, and I won't.

Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

People who need to live by the ten commandments don't realize that what they are really saying, is that they don't need the law of Christ, which doesn't require a law telling them "Do not murder" "Do not commit adultery" "Do not covet" "Do not steal"... because the law of Christ, which is the law of love, is the principles the very law was built from, and being led by spirit, one applies the spirit of the law, which says 'do not even look at a woman to lust for her' and the other principles, Jesus taught.

It saddens me, that there are people who actually do not understand what Jesus was teaching during his three and a half years on earth, but at the same time, I understand that there are people who cling to church doctrine so strongly, they fail to see the clear teachings in the Bible, but then scriptures such as 1 Timothy 4:1-3, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 come to mind, and I take comfort in the fact that God knows his own, and the heart of all men.

No.

The whole of the NT testament teachings was given to Paul. Jesus dealt with people who were still under the law of moses until His death and the New covenant in His blood.

Why this fact eludes persons is a marvel, but then I call to mind the scriptures, and that Jesus' words are true, and will be fulfilled... including what he says at Matthew 7:13-23

 

[ARBITER01]

People who need to live by the ten commandments don't realize that what they are really saying, is that they don't need the law of Christ, which doesn't require a law telling them "Do not murder" "Do not commit adultery" "Do not covet" "Do not steal"... because the law of Christ, which is the law of love, is the principles the very law was built from, and being led by spirit, one applies the spirit of the law, which says 'do not even look at a woman to lust for her' and the other principles.

Correct,...

Heb 10:22 let us draw near with a true heart in fulness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our body washed with pure water:

We don't require a list of laws to constantly adhere to since our conscience inside was cleansed. We no longer have an evil conscience that we have to somehow train to not do evil. We no longer have a sin nature inside because that was cleansed by the blood of Jesus.

Christianity is a spiritual life, not a material one.

It saddens me, that there are people who actually do not understand what Jesus was teaching during his three and a half years on earth, but at the same time, I understand that there are people who cling to church doctrine so strongly, they fail to see the clear teachings in the Bible, but then scriptures such as 1 Timothy 4:1-3, and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12come to mind, and I take comfort in the fact that God knows his own, and the heart of all men.

True.

Why this fact eludes persons is a marvel, but then I call to mind the scriptures, and that Jesus' words are true, and will be fulfilled... including what he says at Matthew 7:13-23

It's funny, but I've notice more lately on this site just how many folks follow personal beliefs that are completely outside of scripture.

 

[CoreyD]

Hi all, I was going to start a thread on this, but have come and seen there is one already on this. I think that the 10 Commandments still stand for the reasons I have given. I will read through all of the post, but will paste first what I was going to post. I find it concerning how this information is given on websites that the 10 Commandments is no longer binding as such for Christians and some argue there is no custom law for the Sabbath either. I did email the website about this I linked but they referred me to their reasons why those holds those views. I am thankful for the spiritual advisers I have in my life and my own education as well in this subject.

....
Hello to all of you. I hope life is treating you all well.

Me, I was looking at this subject again because somebody asked me a question which led me to search this out. I somehow ended searching if the Ten Commandments are still law for Christians today. From my childhood it was instilled in me that the Ten Commandments were still the law for Christians and that Jesus didn’t come to do away with all of the old laws but came to fulfil them to their logical conclusion.

What I read on one webpage though when the above was somewhere in the back of my mind was to question if this was so and it is not. I also read that the Bible does not support Sunday service which isn’t true either.

Some people will be sold on things like this.

This scripture in support of the Ten Commandments and Sabbath going. What do you think of this the original I read from a well visited website. I also read a few weeks ago that Satan has a plan to cause problem for Church’s overseen by Jesus of course who is the head of the Church.

King James Bible See (Matthew 5:17)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
There is also mention of the Commandments in the Book of Revelations-(Revelations 22:14)
Jesus himself would worship his father on the Sabbath as well as standard please scripture evidence for it- (Luke 4:16-21).
The Bible tells us not to forsake the gathering and the worshipping together or ourselves as believers. (Hebrews 10:25)


You can see the link to what threw me a bit who knew the truth. I can’t believe some of the things which circulate online.

Are the Ten Commandments repeated in the New Testament? | GotQuestions.org

Hi Rachel.
It is good that you are interested in this subject.
Sometimes when we are taught something from childhood, it is a good thing to pick it apart, and see if we can put it together from scratch, or pound it as hard as possible, to see if it breaks, or stands up.
The reason is, childhood memories dominate our thoughts without us having to make any effort to call them to mind.
If you doubt me, recite Humpty Dumpty, and Jack and Jill, and see if you make a mistake.

These things are branded in our mind.
What about church doctrines? The same is true, unless we can see otherwise, and go with what we see, rather than what we feel.

Start with Galatians 3:1-29, and ask yourself one question... Why was the law given?
When you answer that question, read the entire chapter again. Think deeply on what you read. Then ask yourself, can I live by the law and be justified by God as righteous?
Can I be under the law, and under Christ?

I'd be interested to hear what answers you get.

 

[rachelrising]

Hi Rachel.
It is good that you are interested in this subject.
Sometimes when we are taught something from childhood, it is a good thing to pick it apart, and see if we can put it together from scratch, or pound it as hard as possible, to see if it breaks, or stands up.
The reason is, childhood memories dominate our thoughts without us having to make any effort to call them to mind.
If you doubt me, recite Humpty Dumpty, and Jack and Jill, and see if you make a mistake.

These things are branded in our mind.
What about church doctrines? The same is true, unless we can see otherwise, and go with what we see, rather than what we feel.

Start with Galatians 3:1-29, and ask yourself one question... Why was the law given?
When you answer that question, read the entire chapter again. Think deeply on what you read. Then ask yourself, can I live by the law and be justified by God as righteous?
Can I be under the law, and under Christ?

I'd be interested to hear what answers you get.

Hi CoreyD well it seems to me this demands more of a personal response.
I will start by saying that Jesus was clear-he didn't come to do away with all the laws of old, but came to fulfil them. I know these laws where for God's chosen people at that time-the Israelites and not for the Gentile's, non Jewish. They though have became the spirit of the law for Christians.

All of the 10 Commandments can be found in the New Testatment as scripture even though they are not listed as a list as such. Let's talk about the spirit of the law-as like the Law of the Sabbath-Jesus healed during that which put him in contempt at that time of Jewish law. He was guided by an ethic to do good over the law as such. Now, with the Sabbath law some people do not know this but it is acceptable under health and safety if you cannot partake then you abstain if it is good for your health and work towards healing what Jesus promoted.

Jesus said the greatest commandments was to love God first and then our neighbour as ourselves. He has an approach of non violence so clearly is in line with other Ten Commandments law. Jesus fulifiled the law but it also about being guided by the spirit of the law as well.

I myself was told as a teen to attend church as a message from God by a senior that it would make my life easier and I have seen healing and miracles on the Sabbath in Church and obtained healing myself. It is clearly good to worship God in the church and respect the laws. The Holy Spirit is still active in the church and many people are missing out.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

People who need to live by the ten commandments don't realize that what they are really saying, is that they don't need the law of Christ, which doesn't require a law telling them "Do not murder" "Do not commit adultery" "Do not covet" "Do not steal"... because the law of Christ, which is the law of love, is the principles the very law was built from, and being led by spirit, one applies the spirit of the law, which says 'do not even look at a woman to lust for her' and the other principles, Jesus taught.

The law of Christ is the law of God. Love to God is not some arbitrary feeling, that each one gets to choose what it means to us to love God. Some might say they love God, but are unfaithful to their wives, some might say they love God, but lie to their neighbor, some might say they love God, but are profaning Him by breaking His holy Sabbath day Eze 22:26 why the apostle Paul didn't rely on his feelings to define what is right or wrong but allowed God to be God to define sin and used God's Ten Commandments to understand what sin is because our feelings, when it comes to the will of God, are really irrelevant and our heart deceitful Jer 17:9

Rom 7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

Breaking one we break them all in the NC which is sin 1 John 3:4

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. found in Exo 20:1-17 God's personal Testimony Exo 31:18

Going away from God's law and covering our sins is not the answer Isa 8:20 Pro 28:13

Jesus said when we lay aside the commandment of God quoting from the Ten Commandments, ones heart is far from Him, because its rebelling against what God placed there His laws Heb 8:10 and one worships Him in vain Mar 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-15. Why many in that great day will say Lord Lord, but He knows them not 1 John 2:4 Mat 7:21-23 because they did their will and not God's Psa 40:8

Why love to God is more than a feeling according to Scripture, its really a commitment to God to put what He asks above what we feel is right or wrong and allow God to be God and have faith that what He asks is for our own good.


1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. This faith reconciles us back to Christ Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14

 

[CoreyD]

Hi CoreyD well it seems to me this demands more of a personal response.
I will start by saying that Jesus was clear-he didn't come to do away with all the laws of old, but came to fulfil them. I know these laws where for God's chosen people at that time-the Israelites and not for the Gentile's, non Jewish. They though have became the spirit of the law for Christians.

All of the 10 Commandments can be found in the New Testatment as scripture even though they are not listed as a list as such. Let's talk about the spirit of the law-as like the Law of the Sabbath-Jesus healed during that which put him in contempt at that time of Jewish law. He was guided by an ethic to do good over the law as such. Now, with the Sabbath law some people do not know this but it is acceptable under health and safety if you cannot partake then you abstain if it is good for your health and work towards healing what Jesus promoted.

Jesus said the greatest commandments was to love God first and then our neighbour as ourselves. He has an approach of non violence so clearly is in line with other Ten Commandments law. Jesus fulifiled the law but it also about being guided by the spirit of the law as well.

I myself was told as a teen to attend church as a message from God by a senior that it would make my life easier and I have seen healing and miracles on the Sabbath in Church and obtained healing myself. It is clearly good to worship God in the church and respect the laws. The Holy Spirit is still active in the church and many people are missing out.

I was looking forward to your answers to the questions, Rachel. I anticipated they would be interested.
I would assume you did ask, and answer the questions, though silently.

I can't be sure you picked apart these beliefs, from what you said,.
For example, you said, "Jesus was clear-he didn't come to do away with all the laws of old".
Why did you add the word "all"? That's not scriptural, is it.
Jesus said the law. Not some of the law.

Do you believe that Jesus came to destroy some of the law?
How would you answer... Why aren't you keeping the law of circumcision, of the yearly Sabbath, or the festival of booths?
Are those destroyed... but not all?

Questioning ourselves reveals if our beliefs are based on our feelings (personal opinions), or scripture.
As a Jew, Jesus kept the law, and fulfilled it. How could he destroy something and live by it - obey it perfectly (fulfill it) at the same time.
That's why not one word could pass away, and not be fulfilled.

Now, however, faith, is what persons would live by, and be justified by God. Romans 4:15; Romans 9:30-10:10

For Christ is the end of the law for the justification of everyone who has faith.
Romans 10:4​

Would you say that scripture isn't clear, or would you say it is clear that the law, has ended for those having faith? Romans 7:6
Contemporary English Version puts it this way... But Christ makes the Law no longer necessary for those who become acceptable to God by faith.

That agrees with Galatians 3:23-25
This is why I asked you to use those specific questions to yourself.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

For Christ is the end of the law for the justification of everyone who has faith.
Romans 10:4

While people use this verse for lawlessness, is this what Paul is teaching .

Paul actually answers this question in his own teachings. Does faith really void God's law?

Not according to Paul, its the opposite.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

To bring in more context from Paul
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):

If one is submitting to God's righteousness, would we be sinners and breaking God's law or abiding in Christ. Christ Himself answers this question

John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He [a]takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

And if we are abiding in Jesus, we are following in His footsteps 1 John 2:6

Did Jesus ever teach lawlessness? Not once, so we need to be careful not to take Paul scriptures out of context using them to teach against what Christ taught and even what Paul taught. Paul taught keeping the commandments of God is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 so he never taught lawlessness either.

If we are not abiding in Christ, we are walking in the flesh and not submitting to God's law Rom 8:7-8 and not the answer to reconciliation John 15: 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.


This is the condition of a saved person according to Scripture
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Obeying God through faith and keeping His commandments through faith reconciles us back to Him.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[Clare73]

While people use this verse for lawlessness, is this what Paul is teaching .
Paul actually answers this question in his own teachings. Does faith really void God's law?
Not according to Paul
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
To bring in more context from Paul
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):

If one is submitting to God's righteousness, would we be sinners and breaking God's law or abiding in Christ. Christ Himself answers this question

John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He [a]takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

And if we are abiding in Jesus, we are following in His footsteps 1 John 2:6

Did Jesus ever teach lawlessness? Not once, so we need to be careful not to take Paul scriptures out of context using them to teach against what Christ taught and even what Paul taught. Paul taught keeping the commandments of God is what matters 1 Cor 7:19 so he never taught lawlessness either.

If we are not abiding in Christ, we are walking in the flesh and not submitting to God's law Rom 8:7-8 and not the answer to reconciliation John 15: 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

Obeying God through faith and keeping His commandments through faith reconciles

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

I'm sure you'll understand if the focus of the born again is on Jesus' new command of the New Covenant: "love one another as I have loved you" (Jn 13:34), rather than on the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) Decalogue: "do no harm."

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I'm sure you'll understand if the focus of the born again is on Jesus' new commandment of the New Covenant: "love one another as I have loved you" (Jn 13:34), rather than on the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) Decalogue: "do no harm."

Since when did the greatest commandments end in Scripture? Not according to Jesus or Paul. Jesus said its what the whole Bible hangs on and no where does a new command say it deletes all of God's law. God wrote His laws in our hearts Heb 8:10 not one singular law.

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

While we have free will I am going to stick with all of what Jesus says, not just one verse.

 

[Clare73]

Since when did the greatest commandments end in Scripture?

When the Decalogue "do no harm" was superseded by Jesus' new command: "love one another as I have loved you." (Jn 13:34)

Not according to Jesus or Paul. Jesus said its what the whole Bible hangs on and no where does a new command say it deletes all of God's law. God wrote His laws in our hearts Heb 8:10 not one singular law.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

I'm sure you'll understand if the focus of the born again is on Jesus' new command of the New Covenant: "love one another as I have loved you" (Jn 13:34), rather than on the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) Decalogue: "do no harm."

While we have free will I am going to stick with all of what Jesus says, not just one verse.

We are not free . .Jesus said we are slaves to sin (Jn 8:34). . .slaves are not free.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

When the Decalogue "do no harm" was superseded by "love one another as I have loved you." (Jn 13:34)

It doesn't say that, adding to God's Word is not a good idea, but we have free will.

The New Covenant has God's laws, Heb 8:10 Heb 10:16 not just a singular law, Jesus did not come to destroy the New Covenant.

Jesus in His own Words said the entire Bible hangs on the two greatest commandments, so hard to supersede when its what the entire Bible is about.

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

While we have free will I am going to stick with all of what Jesus says, not just one verse, what Jesus commanded us to do Mat 4:4

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

It doesn't say that, adding to God's Word is not a good idea, but we have free will.

The New Covenant has God's laws, Heb 8:10 Hen 10:16 not just a singular law, Jesus did not come to destroy the New Covenant.

Jesus in His own Words said the entire Bible hangs on the two greatest commandments, so hard to supersede when its what the entire Bible is about.

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

While we have free will I am going to stick with all of what Jesus says, not just one verse, what Jesus commanded us to do Mat 4:4

maybe Claire cannot count further than one? could this explain her behavior?