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If there are many pagan gods born of virgins, among other coincidences with Jesus, how can we be sure that Christianity is the correct religion?

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Thank you all. I'm sorry. I'm going through a crisis of disbelief, and desperation is driving me to unfair searches. Please pray for me. God bless
You're good. Many of us have gone through dark periods so you are not alone. Almost all other religions are based on myth whereas Christianity is firmly rooted in history with multiple eyewitness testimonies confirming the life, death and resurrection of Christ. I understand that head knowledge is sometimes not enough and we need to feel God's touch in our lives. I pray that God gives you what you need.
 
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Jesus replied: "`Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. ' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: `Love your neighbor as yourself.
Yes which is what I said.
 
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Thank you all so much for your understanding, attention, and support.

Last night I watched a couple of videos that convinced me quite a bit or a lot about the existence of Jesus, and I think I'm 99% convinced of his existence...
The question is... is it wrong for me to choose to believe based on the content of those videos and not my personal experience?

Actually, both experiences complement each other... because in the videos, they talk about Jesus as an ordinary human (separating him from his divinities), but I don't believe that, and I add my personal experiences, and based on that, I think he was truly God incarnate and our Savior...
I'll rephrase or improve the question... if both things help me believe, is it wrong for me to complement them?
Or should I just rely on my personal experiences directly?
Thank you all so much. God continue to bless you...
 
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I'll rephrase or improve the question... if both things help me believe, is it wrong for me to complement them?
Don't make it hard on yourself. The Lord uses all kinds of evidence, thoughts, people, beliefs and experiences to reach us. It's not wrong to use multiple sources. You're doing just fine.
 
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Agree that research is certainly essential in genuinely seeking to know God, and weighing the validity of claims made in Holy Scripture - particularly made by and about Jesus Christ.

As the Father draws one to His Son, there will eventually come a time when the Holy Spirit convicts one of the righteousness of Christ, and their need for His atoning sacrifice. This salvation is effected by repentance (agreeing that what God calls sin is in fact sin - and expressing a willingness to turn from it), believing that the Father raised Him from the dead, and declaring with one's mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord (a commitment made to follow Him wherever He leads and obey Him through His very own power). All of this is only possible by receiving the gift of faith from God Himself.

How does one know they are then saved? Thanks to this beautiful fact - that God keeps ALL of His promises - from Genesis to Revelation. Including these most meaningful ones to the new and the veteran believer:

God's plan:

Ezekiel 36:26 NIV
"I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh."

God's promise of placing His eternal seal upon you - His Holy Spirit:

John 14:15-17 NIV
“If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you."

God's promise that those sealed by His Spirit will in fact obey Him and do His will - as they grow and are being conformed into the image of Christ - according to HIS initiative:

Philippians 1:4-6 NIV
"In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."

Jesus' promise to deliver us all the way into His Eternal Kingdom with confidence:

Jude 24-25 KJV
"Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, to the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

And here is the most wonderous, miraculous, and joyful promise of all - that reassures us through all the fiery trials of this temporal life...

We hear His voice:

Romans 8:16 KJV
"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God."

Jesus IS the Way, the Truth, and the Life!

God bless you, and all who do and shall believe and obey! He alone is worthy of all praise and glory!
 
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How can we know that Christianity can't be considered a plagiarism? Why should it be the religion of the true God?
So regarding this and your preceding question of "If there are many pagan gods born of virgins, among other coincidences with Jesus, how can we be sure that Christianity is the correct religion?" then it's pretty simple: There is no need to answer that question. That's because the "if" is wrong.

There are not "many" pagan gods born of virgins, and most of the "coincidences" (parallels) people bring up are made up, vague to the point of uselessness, can only be found recorded after Christianity was already established, and so on. And once you get rid of all of those, you end up with maybe a handful of things that might be a similarity and could be considered simple coincidence.

This page is a very useful one on many of the other pagan gods that supposedly have parallels with Jesus, going through the various supposed parallels and showing how they don't add up. It's a little out of date, but there's a lot of very useful information there.

Now, you list some examples that were "born of virgins":
Hermes, Krishna, Heracles, Adonis, Mithra, Zarathustra, Tammuz

Prodromos previously posted on these, saying they weren't born of virgins, but I want to go into more detail on this. But before going into these individually, I should collectively note the issue that it is rather common to see people list gods or beings who were born of a virgin birth while providing no evidence for it. This applies, incidentally, not only to claims of virgin births, but of any other supposed parallels between Jesus and <insert other religious figure here>. If you ever see someone try to claim this for anyone, they'd better be providing evidence, like a citation where this can be verified. If they don't, ignore the whole thing. And if they actually do offer a citation, look it up before you take it seriously. So many times people will offer a citation, and it just goes to a work that offers no evidence itself. If they cannot point to a source that says it--and one that predates Christianity--then it means nothing.

That "predates Christianity" is very critical. If such-and-such was stated as being born of a virgin after the Gospels were written, then it is of no help in proving that Christianity took it from that, for it could have been the other way around. Thus, not only must a source be shown, but it must be shown to predate Christianity. Surprisingly often, one will find that the story that parallels Christianity can only be demonstrated to exist after Christianity.

So the onus should be on those who make these claims, and they don't back them up. So technically speaking, going through them individually is unnecessary; anyone who makes this claim must be willing to provide evidence. And they almost always don't. But just to thoroughly dismantle this, let's look at these one by one.

Hermes:
From the Homeric Hymns: "Muse, sing of Hermes, the son of Zeus and Maia, lord of Cyllene and Arcadia rich in flocks, the luck-bringing messenger of the immortals whom Maia bare, the rich-tressed nymph, when she was joined in love with Zeus". Clearly not born of a virgin.

Krishna:
Does not appear to have been born of a virgin. This Hindu site, discussing Krishna's birth and childhood, makes no mention of any virgin birth. In fact, Krishna is described as an eighth child. It should be noted that even if Krishna was born of a virgin, he was part of a religion all the way over in India, and it is very unlikely that the Gospel writers knew much of anything about a religion from so far away, let alone incorporated it into their works.

Heracles:
As is relayed by Apollodurus, "Zeus came by night and prolonging the one night threefold he assumed the likeness of Amphitryon and bedded with Alcmena"). Clearly not born of a virgin.

Adonis:
As is relayed in Ovid's Metamorphosis, "She left the room impregnated by her father, bearing impious seed in her fatal womb, carrying the guilt she had conceived." Clearly not born of a virgin.

Mithra:
There are two versions of Mithra, the original Persian version and the later Roman version. These two actually have little in common outside of the name. In regards to the Persian one, there doesn't seem to be much information about his birth at all; this journal article tells me "Yet, the idea of Mithras as a son of Ahura-Mazda, the Knowing Lord, or as born naturally from a woman, though attested by some late Armenian writers, did not become traditional. Mithras' birth remained an obscure affair: the principal thing was that he existed and helped anyone who lived in true obedience to his laws." So much for the Persian Mithra, and in any event this version of Mithra would have been rather unknown to the Gospel writers. Regarding the Roman Mithra, it continues: "Neither in the Western world did the authors conceive MIthras a child procreated by a father or born from a woman or even from a virgin. Both classical literature and inscriptions declare that the god was born from a rock or stone." There does not seem evidence he was born of a virgin, unless someone wants to claim that the rock he emerged out of was a virgin (which it was not; any definition of virgin I have seen says it's a person or animal who has not had sex, so inanimate objects are disqualified)

Zarathustra:
This one might be more commonly known as Zoroaster. According to this page, "Zarathustra's father, Pourušaspa (or Purusasp), was a herdsman. According to tradition, he and his wife, Dugdowa (or Dugdav), wished to have children. To do so, they obtained milk from virgin cows, mixed it with twigs from a haoma plant and drank it. They then attempted to have sex but were prevented by demons three times. The fourth time they succeed and Zoroaster was conceived of three elements, the frawar (his soul) from the hom plant, xwarrag (his glory) from his mother, and his tan gorh (his body substance) from the milk." Now, I'm not 100% sure about the reliability of the page in question--the author is credited as an archeologist, and how much that translates to knowledge about Zoroastrianism I'm not sure. However, one of the article's sources is the Encyclopedia Iranica, which does give that story here: "Purušāsp and Dugdhōv, the future parents of Zardušt, survived and together drank of the milk of the hōm. Their procreative union was strongly opposed by the demons, but after three attempts they accomplished it, and so the xwarrah, frawahr, and tan-gōhr of Zardušt were reunited in the body of Dugdhōv, and he was born." So not apparently born of a virgin, given his parents engaged in normal reproduction (attempting multiple times to conceive, in fact). I believe there may be some later iterations of the story that may be more virgin birth-esque... but those "later" ones appear to come well after Christianity.

Tammuz:
There doesn't seem to be much information about the birth of Tammuz at all, but I can find no reputable source describing him of being of virgin birth. Both Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Britannica make no mention of this.

So these don't add up, and the people spreading these claims appear to be just spreading inaccurate information. This is again why it's so critical that evidence be provided for these. If <insert religious figure here> was born of a virgin, then obviously there should be some ancient writing saying they were. But those writings are never pointed to. Why? Presumably because those writings don't exist, and these claims are just false ones that people mindlessly spread due to not verifying them.
 
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How can we know that Christianity can't be considered a plagiarism? Why should it be the religion of the true God?
As we know God put His law on our hearts and we know His invisible qualities by His creation. So even those without the true God had a natural inclination to look to the skies and see God. The pagan beliefs were acting out what they had in their being which was to worship God except this was placed in other ideas about what was God.

So it was natural to make idols, have ceremonies and make sacrifices before God revealed Himself to Abraham. The foundation was laid in the practice of sacrifice to God through the pagan rituals.

So when God revealed Himself to Abraham He says to all the pagan nations that all the sacrificing your doing is suppose to be to me the one true God as revealed by Abraham.

I think much of Gods revelation to us comes the same way. Theres always a precusor that crops up in cultures as a natural evolution of God revealing Himself at the right time and circumstances.

So I think theres certain themes within all cultural beliefs that have similar ideas. Like the flood myths. Something causes them to become conscious of this as they evolve. Then God uses that to reveal Himself as the one True God. Like all these religions are claiming their god of sacrifices or the flood or the virgin birth. Well here I am, this is the God your looking for.

But they would not have realised to be looking for what God has revealed unless humans could naturally come to such a belief beforehand. Its interesting how these beliefs line up with the bible. So much so that people say they bible copied these ideas.

But for the most part I think the biblical fit is best. The virgin birth makes most sense within the JudeoChristian context. We have God being born of a virgin who really walked the earth. His name was Jesus Christ. I don't think other beliefs have such a good fit to reality.
 
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Thank you all so much for your understanding, attention, and support.

Last night I watched a couple of videos that convinced me quite a bit or a lot about the existence of Jesus, and I think I'm 99% convinced of his existence...
The question is... is it wrong for me to choose to believe based on the content of those videos and not my personal experience?

Actually, both experiences complement each other... because in the videos, they talk about Jesus as an ordinary human (separating him from his divinities), but I don't believe that, and I add my personal experiences, and based on that, I think he was truly God incarnate and our Savior...
I'll rephrase or improve the question... if both things help me believe, is it wrong for me to complement them?
Or should I just rely on my personal experiences directly?
Thank you all so much. God continue to bless you...
[Rom 10:17 ESV] 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

You should read "the word of Christ," by reading The Gospel of John. The Gospels are truth, as they are the original, credible writings about the Christ Jesus.
 
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We think these stories are counterfeits.

One reason the pagan mother virgin stories are wrong is that the mother being a virgin just makes it a cool story & adds a kind of sexual flair to it. It's usually 'oh by the way this god's mother was a virgin'. The pagan stories are just left w/ it being a cool twist.

Christianity has a reason why: It breaks the cycle. Man passes his sin on w/ each generation. Jesus came from a virgin b/c he breaks that cycle of sin passing itself on w/ each generation. We are finally free from that cycle of sin passing onto sin. It's the reason he ascended too. People often connect his ascension w/ breaking that cycle, but his conception broke the cycle too. He broke it at both ends.
It being a prophecy is true, but there's a reason God promised it that way, it's not just a sign, it's a signifcant part of the redemptive plan. This is why denying the virgin birth is so bad, b/c he's just still part of the cycle.
 
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At the time of Christ there were over ten mystery religions around the Mediterranean many that virgin birth stories, most with resurrection stories.. Satan knew approximately when Jesus would be born as did the three wise men (having access to the writings of Daniel). It might be surmised that it was Satan's intent to have the story of Jesus lost among other "religions".
 
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It might be surmised that it was Satan's intent to have the story of Jesus lost among other "religions".
Possibly but Christianity also did a pretty good job of returning the “religion “ from the Kingdom back to aligning with the world of man
 
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At the time of Christ there were over ten mystery religions around the Mediterranean that virgin birth stories.
This is not even remotely true
 
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