Trump EO eliminates Birthright Citizenship; 18 states and civil rights organizations sue to stop implementation, pointing to the 14th Amendment

[RileyG]

If she was born to American parents she is an American cititzen it does not matter where she was born.

Amen!

 

[dogs4thewin]

How can a person be “born illegally”?

If they are born to people here illegally then the idea is they should not be citizens.

 

[RileyG]

How can a person be “born illegally”?

They aren’t. Not sure what they mean either, maybe they meant their parents are in a country illegally.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Bet?

thst would get very violent very quickly if he tried that.

 

[RileyG]

Bet?

Yup. I promise. He’s not going to start doing illegal activity. He respects us too much.

 

[essentialsaltes]

A Chinese woman who flies to Chicago on Monday, gives birth on Wenesday then flies home to China, neither the mother or baby is under the Jurisidiction of the US goverment.

If the mom shoots a man dead in the middle of Michigan Avenue, we can't arrest her? Nonsense. She is subject to our jurisdiction.

 

[ozso]

How can a person be “born illegally”?

Beats me since that's not what I said.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Someone said "if you want to remove and amendment". I said it's not a matter of trying to end/remove it altogether.

Yes, it's a matter of revision, not elimination. What I have been saying is revising an amendment is not the same thing as eliminating an amendment. Am I still wrong?

They still might have a 28th amendment instead of editing the 14th amendment, but either way there would be some process for that you cannot just say the 14th amendment means this now.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The penalty is usually deportion,

Correct -we should enforce and follow the law.

but at this point I am inclined to think for a few reasons that people who have been pulling their weight and whose only crime is being here should have a chance at cititzenship.

They will never, ever have the chance at citizenship if they don't follow the procedure to become one, whose first step is to come in legally.

On the other hand if we simply deport those who have committed major crimes murder, rape things like that then either they will have really gotten away with that and will have more victims back home OR they will come back here as they will not be locked up.

How about deporting them after they served their time?

Just like I believe both Canada and the UK will not deport people to the Uited States if that person is facing the death penalty so yes that means that if I am right then if you murder someone here and make it to Canada the ONLY way you will face the penalty is if the state agrees to not seek the death penalty, so if you just deport someone who has committed a MAJOR violent crime like that then basically there is no penalty for that because they are just released into their home country.

Never heard of such a thing - but what does that have to do with 12.000,000 people who came in illegally?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Birthright citizenship was established by the 14th Amendment, passed by Congress in 1868, which includes a clause reading: “All people born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Except that was not the intent of the amendment. 'Illegal immigration' did not even exist in 1868. This was because the democratic party of the south refused to accept black voters, calling them 'non-citizens' because of the their recent status as slaves and intended to go no further than that. This so called 'citizenship right for illegal immigrants children' was created by the courts and not the legislature thru 'interpretation'. And as in all court cases precedent can be overturned re: Brown v. Board of Education overturning Plessy v. Ferguson.

 

[civilwarbuff]

"All people" are also two very important words.

Did you expect them to list them out one-by-one?

 

[Always in His Presence]

If the US can fine and imprison them, then they're under American jurisdiction, er go, Trump's EO doesn't apply to them.

They can also deport them - which is under President Trumps EO

 

[Always in His Presence]

You've been given more than enough information. If you don't like what's been explained to you then I can't help with that.

Are you some type of authority? Are you an attorney? Why should I believe you over any one else on this anonymous discussion site?

What makes you think I want or need your help?

 

[ozso]

Having buyer's remorse yet?

I have it totally after only 24 hrs. I won't rest now until Trump is thrown out of office.

 

[ozso]

If they are born to people here illegally then the idea is they should not be citizens.

Bingo.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Correct -we should enforce and follow the law.

They will never, ever have the chance at citizenship if they don't follow the procedure to become one, whose first step is to come in legally.

How about deporting them after they served their time?

Never heard of such a thing - but what does that have to do with 12.000,000 people who came in illegally?

So are you telling me that someone who has worked hard and has been a productive member of soceity should not be allowed the chance to be a citizen? I am too young to remember Reagan, but I do believe he did something like that.

What does that have to do with people being here illegally well if we just deported people who had done major crimes and not give them due process then they could get away with murder and rape because they would just be sent home to not face their sentences. If we deport them after they serve their time great, but that does not change the fact that they are entitled to due process as it relates to that crime.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Did you expect them to list them out one-by-one?

I think the point was that all people applies without respect to color, gender or anything like that not names.

 

[BCP1928]

Bingo.

That would exempt asylum seekers, because although they may have entered the country illegally, they are here legally now.

 

[wing2000]

[note - there are two lawsuits with various states joining each lawsuit]

Attorneys general from 22 states sued President Trump in two federal district courts on Tuesday to block an executive order that refuses to recognize the U.S.-born children of unauthorized immigrants as citizens...


Nick Brown, the attorney general in Washington, said Mr. Trump’s order would deny citizenship to 150,000 newborn children each year.

“It would render them undocumented at birth. It could even render them citizens to no country at all,” said Mr. Brown, whose state was joined by Oregon, Arizona and Illinois.

Twenty-two States Sue to Stop Trump’s Birthright Citizenship Order

The lawsuit to block the president’s executive order is the first salvo in what is likely to be a long-running legal fight over immigration policy.

www.nytimes.com

 

[ozso]

They still might have a 28th amendment instead of editing the 14th amendment, but either way there would be some process for that you cannot just say the 14th amendment means this now.

Okay.