God's beautiful creation

[BCP1928]

So all this is in response to the OP giving God glory for the beauty of His engineering?

People really think cameras developed themselves by accident...

The word absurdity comes to mind.

What is that motto from Burger King... have it your way? lol

Accidentally engineered cameras with automatically adjusting aperture to boot and immersive color display with depth perception functionality...

The study of DNA and the molecular foundations of biological systems eradicates anything but a designer.

Some people are still stuck in that "accidents create" delusion who have not caught up in the information sciences world, but they are swimming in mud.

The only options you have anymore are 1) God done it... or 2) aliens done it.

This is where you can have it your way. But be careful, because someone... is lying to you. lol



Awesome video Joseph G.

We get to meet the creator of it face to face soon.

No nay-sayers are allowed at the pizza party. lol

All glory to King Jesus.

The randomizing element in a stochastic process is not an "accident."

 

[Juvenal]

It's a letter written by Peter himself inspired, as we believe, by God and that's not enough for you to trust it? Truly, I am sorry for you.

I'm not a Biblical scholar, so I have to rely on those who are.

Authorship of the Petrine epistles​

The authorship of the Petrine epistles (1 Peter and 2 Peter) is a question in biblical criticism, parallel to that of the authorship of the Pauline epistles, in which scholars have sought to determine the exact authors of the New Testament letters. The vast majority of biblical scholars think the two epistles do not share the same author, due to wide differences in Greek style and views between the two letters. Most scholars today conclude that Peter the Apostle was the author of neither of the two epistles that are attributed to him.[note 1]​

We really don't know who wrote most of the Jewish and Christian sacred texts. In my tradition, that doesn't matter. Things that are true are true regardless of who communicated them, and similarly for things that are false. On occasion, there is wisdom in the words of a child, even if the child can't appreciate it themselves.

 

[roman2819]

No such thing as "infallible poetry"?

In your opinion, is this passage contradicting itself?

1 Corinthians 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

How can I be both "steadfast and unmoveable" and "always abounding" at the same time?

Evolution is basically a change in a population's genetics over time.

As far as its "main points" you can use this website: Evolution 101

I started to read some articles on the website Evolution 101. The first question I have is: It says humans and other species are descended or transformed from tetrapod., which would mean that evolution implies that God did not create humans, and the human species is transformed from tetrapod.

What are your comments?

 

[roman2819]

The same kinds of stars seen making elements are near the Earth. The final states (supernova remnants, planetary nebulae) are near the Earth. The Sun has a typical composition to other stars, near and far. (Obviously the Earth was made of elements here before it formed such that it formed from them, and not accreted from distant sources.)

You are just conjecturing. If you are sure that elements from the stars (millions of miles away) fall on earth, you would have said so. but you couldn't show that it happen or produce evidence to that effect.

 

[Zceptre]

The randomizing element in a stochastic process is not an "accident."

We are going to have to agree to disagree if you are trying to suggest to me through some microscopic topic that evolution is not creation by accident.

I will not go down such rabbit trails into wonderland to prove what is obvious to the unbiased observers in this world.

If you want to defend that narrative, you do that.

But truth is not in it.

Molecular biology is far too complex, much more so than computer engineering, to suggest any of this occurred without an intellectual directive behind it.

The options I gave are the options people have, and there are staunch athiests and evolutionists that are admitting it across the board.

The demons never intended to get rid of God forever through "creation on automatic without a designer or creator".

Only long enough to convince them that Satan should be their replacement.

God, or aliens.

Take your pick.

Those are your options.

 

[BCP1928]

I started to read some articles on the website Evolution 101. The first question I have is: It says humans and other species are descended or transformed from tetrapod., which would mean that evolution implies that God did not create humans, and the human species is transformed from tetrapod.

What are your comments?

That God created humans, he just used a different method than that described in the Bible story..

 

[BCP1928]

We are going to have to agree to disagree if you are trying to suggest to me through some microscopic topic that evolution is not creation by accident.

I will not go down such rabbit trails into wonderland to prove what is obvious to the unbiased observers in this world.

If you want to defend that narrative, you do that.

But truth is not in it.

Molecular biology is far too complex, much more so than computer engineering, to suggest any of this occurred without an intellectual directive behind it.

The options I gave are the options people have, and there are staunch athiests and evolutionists that are admitting it across the board.

The demons never intended to get rid of God forever through "creation on automatic without a designer or creator".

Only long enough to convince them that Satan should be their replacement.

God, or aliens.

Take your pick.

Those are your options.

I'm not sure what you mean by "accident" so I don't really know how to answer your question. I believe that God is the author and constant cause of our being, but I also believe that the theory of evolution as described by science is a satisfactory explanation of the natural causes which produced us and the biosphere we live in.

 

[River Jordan]

Numbers 23:19 KJV
"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Good thing no one is saying God is lying.

Inspired, infallible and inerrant does not always mean literal. Of course, God uses poetic language sometimes, along with metaphors, parables and all kinds of literary devices - and isn't it beautiful? He invented language(s) after all.

Agreed.

As to those passages that are to be taken literally, the Holy Spirit leads the genuine seeker to interpret Scripture with Scripture.

Funny though how the Holy Spirit has led so many people in different directions.

For instance, 6 literal days of creation is supported very clearly elsewhere in Scripture. Sorry, but dems de facts.

The inspiration of the OT is attested to over and over by NT figures, especially by Jesus Himself.

The discoveries of the complexities and interwoveness of His entire Word are endless and exciting! Just like His creation around us.

Thanks for sharing your beliefs.

 

[River Jordan]

So all this is in response to the OP giving God glory for the beauty of His engineering?

People really think cameras developed themselves by accident...

The word absurdity comes to mind.

What is that motto from Burger King... have it your way? lol

Accidentally engineered cameras with automatically adjusting aperture to boot and immersive color display with depth perception functionality...

The study of DNA and the molecular foundations of biological systems eradicates anything but a designer.

Some people are still stuck in that "accidents create" delusion who have not caught up in the information sciences world, but they are swimming in mud.

The only options you have anymore are 1) God done it... or 2) aliens done it.

This is where you can have it your way. But be careful, because someone... is lying to you. lol



Awesome video Joseph G.

We get to meet the creator of it face to face soon.

No nay-sayers are allowed at the pizza party. lol

All glory to King Jesus.

Except for that inconvenient reality that we actually see evolution producing things right now.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I started to read some articles on the website Evolution 101. The first question I have is: It says humans and other species are descended or transformed from tetrapod., which would mean that evolution implies that God did not create humans, and the human species is transformed from tetrapod.

What are your comments?

If that's what you read, then you really did not understand what was written.

 

[River Jordan]

I started to read some articles on the website Evolution 101.

I appreciate you making the effort.

The first question I have is: It says humans and other species are descended or transformed from tetrapod., which would mean that evolution implies that God did not create humans, and the human species is transformed from tetrapod.

What are your comments?

That no more means God didn't create humans than seeing volcanoes make new mountains means God doesn't create mountains. There's no reason at all God can't create by natural processes.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

We are going to have to agree to disagree if you are trying to suggest to me through some microscopic topic that evolution is not creation by accident.

I will not go down such rabbit trails into wonderland to prove what is obvious to the unbiased observers in this world.

If you want to defend that narrative, you do that.

But truth is not in it.

Molecular biology is far too complex, much more so than computer engineering, to suggest any of this occurred without an intellectual directive behind it.

The options I gave are the options people have, and there are staunch athiests and evolutionists that are admitting it across the board.

The demons never intended to get rid of God forever through "creation on automatic without a designer or creator".

Only long enough to convince them that Satan should be their replacement.

God, or aliens.

Take your pick.

Those are your options.

Or, amazing, it could have been God working through natural processes. Such a thing isn't impossible.

 

[dlamberth]

I started to read some articles on the website Evolution 101. The first question I have is: It says humans and other species are descended or transformed from tetrapod., which would mean that evolution implies that God did not create humans, and the human species is transformed from tetrapod.

What are your comments?

God is in an infinite creating trajectory. And in that creative trajectory evolution is how God creates new life forms.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You are just conjecturing.

Not at all. The composition of stars through the measurement of their spectra is well established. Here is the 100 year old text that started the field:

https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/pdf/1925HarMo...1.....P

It covers all of the basics comprehensively.

Space probes around the Sun have confirmed that the Solar wind is composed of the same elements that stellar spectrum indicates. This confirms the accuracy of stellar spectral analysis. Applying the same spectral analysis to exploding stars (supernovae) show that they are ejecting large amounts of the same elements that make up the Earth.

If you are sure that elements from the stars (millions of miles away) fall on earth, you would have said so. but you couldn't show that it happen or produce evidence to that effect.

Why would I want to demonstrate elements from other stars reach earth? For the most part -- they don't. The Sun and Earth are made of the elements that were here before they formed. Made from the elements ejected in stars that were oce in the same area that we occupy now. (There are some minute traces of recent stellar explosions having a little bit of their ejecta reaching the Earth in the form of Fe-60 in layers on the oceanic floor.)

 

[NxNW]

According to evolution, can one kind of living lifeform change to another over a long time, for example can an amphibian gradually change into a reptile? If yes, why are there no fossils of in-between species? I believe the same kind can evolve within themselves for example: there are many different breeds of horses ) but they cannot cross over ( eg: a crocodile does not become a komodo).

Why would you expect a crocodile to become a Komodo?

Do you believe that evolution makes such a claim?

 

[NxNW]

People really think cameras developed themselves by accident...

The word absurdity comes to mind.

Accidentally engineered cameras with automatically adjusting aperture to boot and immersive color display with depth perception functionality...

The eye has evolved separately many times, which is why they're are so many versions of it. A few hundred thousand generations is all it takes. Not every eye sees color, all have their limitations.

The study of DNA and the molecular foundations of biological systems eradicates anything but a designer.

Why?

Some people are still stuck in that "accidents create" delusion who have not caught up in the information sciences world, but they are swimming in mud.

That's not even a sentence.

 

[Shemjaza]

Some people are still stuck in that "accidents create" delusion who have not caught up in the information sciences world, but they are swimming in mud.

The only options you have anymore are 1) God done it... or 2) aliens done it.

This is one of the particularly difficult parts of Creationism.

Intelligent Design Creationists keep claiming that there is a special kind of information that can't be increased by random mutation and non random selection... but I have never seen them present a single metric or objective measure of this trait.

If you can't measure something, then you can't make claims about increasing, decreasing and probability.

 

[Zceptre]

Lol....

This is exactly what I was dealing with 15+ years ago on the same subject. On this subject the arguments are always shifting like sand.

Since then I have delved into the paranormal, demonic manifestations, and much deeper subjects the "general public" cannot touch.

People who are stuck in an "it is all natural" mindset are being laughed at by supernatural entities who are evil and aiming to discredit God.

You need to get out of the "science" books, articles, and fairy tales and dive into things a little deeper or the blindness will not leave.

There ARE things much higher than us, and you will not see them unless you stop listening to only one narrative you were fed on repeat.

I'm sorry to inform you, but you have been lied to.

You are no accident. There are no millions of years. The rapture is soon. The world is small. God will demand an account of us all.

Long ago, I would be more understanding to such views and people who hold them.

Today, I know far better and have zero doubts left after doing the legwork and I will not give an inch to what I know is an outright lie.

Maybe you should go find a witch to discredit and make a joke in her house, or maybe find a Satanic coven even if you are brave and REALLY trust your personal views and challenge them that they are all fakes. (I do not actually advise this, it will end in torment being an ego driven mission)

They still want to explain away flesh on dinosaurs being found often these days as if flesh could actually be preserved for millions of years.

Hey look, if you want to doubt in the supernatural reality of the world and creation of Genesis, and you want to conjure up imaginative ideas that flesh itself could actually last that long without decaying... you have got a long road ahead of you and it isn't going to be fun.

People will believe anything and everything that they are told by the world, so long as it isn't the Bible.

Should expand your research into things beyond scientific papers if you want an accurate world-view.

Just remember that it is your own hide on the line.

You can't canoe in two rivers. You either agree with God or you call Him a liar.

P.S. - You showed up in a post about God creating to show your disapproval. Don't expect me to entertain any of the silly statements I just read on account of that fact.

And thanks for the laughs. lol

 

[BCP1928]

Lol....

This is exactly what I was dealing with 15+ years ago on the same subject. On this subject the arguments are always shifting like sand.

Since then I have delved into the paranormal, demonic manifestations, and much deeper subjects the "general public" cannot touch.

People who are stuck in an "it is all natural" mindset are being laughed at by supernatural entities who are evil and aiming to discredit God.

You need to get out of the "science" books, articles, and fairy tales and dive into things a little deeper or the blindness will not leave.

There ARE things much higher than us, and you will not see them unless you stop listening to only one narrative you were fed on repeat.

I'm sorry to inform you, but you have been lied to.

You are no accident. There are no millions of years. The rapture is soon. The world is small. God will demand an account of us all.

Long ago, I would be more understanding to such views and people who hold them.

Today, I know far better and have zero doubts left after doing the legwork and I will not give an inch to what I know is an outright lie.

Maybe you should go find a witch to discredit and make a joke in her house, or maybe find a Satanic coven even if you are brave and REALLY trust your personal views and challenge them that they are all fakes. (I do not actually advise this, it will end in torment being an ego driven mission)

They still want to explain away flesh on dinosaurs being found often these days as if flesh could actually be preserved for millions of years.

Hey look, if you want to doubt in the supernatural reality of the world and creation of Genesis, and you want to conjure up imaginative ideas that flesh itself could actually last that long without decaying... you have got a long road ahead of you and it isn't going to be fun.

People will believe anything and everything that they are told by the world, so long as it isn't the Bible.

Should expand your research into things beyond scientific papers if you want an accurate world-view.

Just remember that it is your own hide on the line.

You can't canoe in two rivers. You either agree with God or you call Him a liar.

LOL! But we don't have to agree with you about anything.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Lol....

This is exactly what I was dealing with 15+ years ago on the same subject. On this subject the arguments are always shifting like sand.

Since then I have delved into the paranormal, demonic manifestations, and much deeper subjects the "general public" cannot touch.

People who are stuck in an "it is all natural" mindset are being laughed at by supernatural entities who are evil and aiming to discredit God.

You need to get out of the "science" books, articles, and fairy tales and dive into things a little deeper or the blindness will not leave.

There ARE things much higher than us, and you will not see them unless you stop listening to only one narrative you were fed on repeat.

I'm sorry to inform you, but you have been lied to.

You are no accident. There are no millions of years. The rapture is soon. The world is small. God will demand an account of us all.

Long ago, I would be more understanding to such views and people who hold them.

Today, I know far better and have zero doubts left after doing the legwork and I will not give an inch to what I know is an outright lie.

Maybe you should go find a witch to discredit and make a joke in her house, or maybe find a Satanic coven even if you are brave and REALLY trust your personal views and challenge them that they are all fakes. (I do not actually advise this, it will end in torment being an ego driven mission)

They still want to explain away flesh on dinosaurs being found often these days as if flesh could actually be preserved for millions of years.

Hey look, if you want to doubt in the supernatural reality of the world and creation of Genesis, and you want to conjure up imaginative ideas that flesh itself could actually last that long without decaying... you have got a long road ahead of you and it isn't going to be fun.

People will believe anything and everything that they are told by the world, so long as it isn't the Bible.

Should expand your research into things beyond scientific papers if you want an accurate world-view.

Just remember that it is your own hide on the line.

You can't canoe in two rivers. You either agree with God or you call Him a liar.

Your rambling has nothing to do with the subject of this sub-forum.

P.S. - You showed up in a post about God creating to show your disapproval. Don't expect me to entertain any of the silly statements I just read on account of that fact.

If a post is about a god it isn't really on topic in this section. Theology and preaching are elsewhere on CF.

And thanks for the laughs. lol

At least you amused yourself.