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Politifact fact checks Kamala Harris

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No it actually is not revisionism it is about facts which you obviously have no knowledge.

I didn’t get information from Alex Jones or anyone a reasonable person could call an idiot. Now I will again ask you to tell us what you know about the pipe bomb found outside the DNC. It’s ok if you know nothing about this since the msm has suppressed or in most cases avoided this story.

I know it was found outside there, probably as a divserionary tactic, you got another take? And it is revisionism, and yeah funny you don't listen to alex jones, but using his talking points verbatim. it is 1000% revisionism, all leading up to january 6th it was take back the country then, people on the right preparing for it, it fails miserably and suddenly all those same people are now, "There was no plan nothing." yeah thats why many of those same people are in jail for a long time for doing nothing. it's all just this big conspiracy and not a bunch of yahoo's trying to overthrow the goverment, no one believes your lies, not even you guys.
 
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I know it was found outside there, probably as a divserionary tactic, you got another take? And it is revisionism, and yeah funny you don't listen to alex jones, but using his talking points verbatim. it is 1000% revisionism, all leading up to january 6th it was take back the country then, people on the right preparing for it, it fails miserably and suddenly all those same people are now, "There was no plan nothing." yeah thats why many of those same people are in jail for a long time for doing nothing. it's all just this big conspiracy and not a bunch of yahoo's trying to overthrow the goverment, no one believes your lies, not even you guys.
Well it is firmly established you are not knowledgeable on the topic of my question .
 
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If your lying about january 6th why should I care about anything else you say?
If you accuse me of lying about something you know nothing about who is it among us not be believed?
 
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I'm gonna have to ask for this thread to be closed since no one can stay on topic. One thing's for sure Trump is dominant in everyone's thoughts.
Mind virus.
 
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You must have imagined a lot, because fight like hell is not a literal call to violence anymore when Trump says it or liberals say it.
Maybe, maybe not. Either way, regardless of the intent behind the words, many in the crowd took them literally, and a good number of them are currently incarcerated or facing charges because of it. I'll grant that intent to cause an insurrection in this case likely will never be proven in court, but it's my admittedly personal opinion that it was the desired outcome. Fortunately for the country and the rule of law, it didn't ultimately succeed.

Hopefully one day all the facts will come out about Jan 6 . I assure you there is much more to the story than currently reported by the msm . If you doubt what I say tell us all you know about the bomb found at the DNC where Kamala was on Jan 6.
Very little. What significance do you place on that? Do you suspect that whoever planted that knew Kamala Harris would walk by, and intended her as the target? Did they know how the next campaign season would turn out a few years hence?

-- A2SG, just curious about how deep the rabbit hole of conspiracy theory is with this one...
 
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You know as well as the rest of us this is an election between two people, not a referendum on one. It is therefore entirely relevant who lies more.

And I don't think you want to go there.

I don't know if answering this post is too far off point here but it must be pointed out that this is an election between two potential candidates for President of the United States.

As such, it's not a contest between two people, but rather between two opposing visions for America.

The people making this a personality contest have missed the point altogether.

The first day of the DNC Trump's name was mentioned 147 times...

The entire RNC Biden/Harris was only mentioned 4 times. An average of 1 time per day.

When elections are about policies, the left runs away as fast as their feet can carry them - and it's more than obvious every single time we hear Trump's name.
 
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The people making this a personality contest have missed the point altogether.

The first day of the DNC Trump's name was mentioned 177 times...

The entire RNC Biden/Harris was only mentioned 4 times. An average of 1 time per day.

When elections are about policies, the left runs away as fast as their feet can carry them - and it's more than obvious every single time we hear Trump's name.
The conventions had differing “tones”?
Okay, so what?
President Trump being mentioned so often at the DNC should show us how unified the Democratic Party is in their opposition to him.

This is “normal”.
 
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The conventions had differing “tones”?
Okay, so what?
President Trump being mentioned so often at the DNC should show us how unified the Democratic Party is in their opposition to him.

This is “normal”.

No, it's not at all normal.

Usually people are excited about the policies they are putting forward, their vision for America that the party and the country can get behind...

Republicans have that, but Democrats don't...

And without that you have nothing... Literally nothing in a presidential election.

Ballots start being mailed this week... For people to vote in a presidential election where the Democratic party candidate has NO listed policy platform.

This is not only not normal, it's unheard of in American politics.
 
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I don't know if answering this post is too far off point here but it must be pointed out that this is an election between two potential candidates for President of the United States.

As such, it's not a contest between two people, but rather between two opposing visions for America.

The people making this a personality contest have missed the point altogether.
The first question to be decided is 'Is the person who wishes to be considered as a candidate worthy of being considered?' So right off the bat, yes - it is a question of personality. But not a contest in personality as in 'Who is more or less worthy?' It's a stand alone question to be decided on its merits. What the person has done, has said, how they have been shown to have acted (in courts of law no less). And as far as Trump is concerned, then no - he should not be considered.

Moving on from that, we have to accept that it is now a contest. And it really beats me that some people who support Trump will point to a failing that they perceive in Harris and not expect a broadside on the same matter from Harris supporters. And who always comes off the worse?

We've had threads on how Harris talks, her command of the English language, her attitude to opponents and now...whether she bends the truth a little too far. Well, I accept what PolitiFact supplies. They seem to have their finger on the pulse. So how in heaven's name someone wants to now go toe to toe, Harris v Trump on who plays faster and looser with the truth is completely beyond me, because we can compare one with the other.

And bear in mind that no-one in this thread has suggested that hey - Trump lies all the time so it's OK for Harris to do it as well.
 
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Moving on from that, we have to accept that it is now a contest.

It's been a contest for 9 years... Anyone just now "accepting" that is late to the party.


A failing that they perceive in Harris

Like a complete inability to do the job she was hired to do?

not expect a broadside on the same matter from Harris supporters. And who always comes off the worse?

When we compare policies to policies, job done to job done, Trump wins hands down...

Personality is a distraction from that. On either side....

There's a reason Harris is avoiding talking about the job she's done both in the white house and when she was in the Senate.

When she advertises herself she's skipping that all - for a reason.
 
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When we compare policies to policies, job done to job done, Trump wins hands down...
And I don't think that there are nearly enough people who actually believe that to get him anywhere near the Oval Office.
 
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And I don't think that there are nearly enough people who actually believe that to get him anywhere near the Oval Office.

So why not talk about policies?

Why not compare and contrast - like we used to - the different policy objectives?

Why isn't she in front of reporters taking real questions and defending a platform that's not Trump's?
 
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Why isn't she in front of reporters taking real questions and defending a platform that's not Trump's?
When the opposition is doing badly, then don't change anything. His interviews are sending him backward in the polls. What did he say in the last one? That he is entitled to interfere with elections?


Why encourage the media spotlight to come off him when he is saying such things? Let him stay in front of the cameras and we can all watch him fall further behind.
 
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When the opposition is doing badly, then don't change anything. His interviews are sending him backward in the polls. What did he say in the last one? That he is entitled to interfere with elections?


Why encourage the media spotlight to come off him when he is saying such things? Let him stay in front of the cameras and we can all watch him fall further behind.

I don't see how his interviews are taking him backwards, I believe that is a falsehood personally.

Very importantly it should be pointed out that a presidential election shouldn't be about "winning" the election - it should be about the direction in policy we as a country are wanting to go...

When it's just about "winning" we have missed the plot altogether... Which is where the Democratic party seems to be, all about power and zero about governing. It's completely broken and the actual plot is missing in its entirety.

Real people actually do notice. "I'll say anything to win" is a far different vibe than "why don't we govern this way because it brings excellent results for the populace"....
 
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I don't see how his interviews are taking him backwards, I believe that is a falsehood personally.
We see nothing but Trump. And you are complaining that we don't see enough of Harris. And the polls are only heading in one direction. He is his own worst enemy. And the Harris campaign isn't going to do anything to divert attention from him.
 
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We see nothing but Trump. And you are complaining that we don't see enough of Harris. And the polls are only heading in one direction. He is his own worst enemy. And the Harris campaign isn't going to do anything to divert attention from him.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

-- A2SG, sound advice....
 
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

-- A2SG, sound advice....

As I earlier said:

"Very importantly it should be pointed out that a presidential election shouldn't be about "winning" the election - it should be about the direction in policy we as a country are wanting to go..."

When it's all about winning there's no discussion as to where they are planning on taking you after they get into power leaving the door wide open to take us as a nation in unimaginably horrible places.

There is an obfuscation of the truth in every demonization of Trump, and an obfuscation of where they are really promising to take the nation.

Therefore, Kamala's very real flip flops and lies about policies and positions are all the more important for the American people to know.
 
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As I earlier said:

"Very importantly it should be pointed out that a presidential election shouldn't be about "winning" the election - it should be about the direction in policy we as a country are wanting to go..."

When it's all about winning there's no discussion as to where they are planning on taking you after they get into power leaving the door wide open to take us as a nation in unimaginably horrible places.

There is an obfuscation of the truth in every demonization of Trump, and an obfuscation of where they are really promising to take the nation.

Therefore, Kamala's very real flip flops and lies about policies and positions are all the more important for the American people to know.
I don't disagree.

However, the reality here is, if Harris doesn't win, that means Trump will. (Sure, there's a remote chance than a third party candidate will win...but it's highly unlikely) So when considering who to vote for, it's entirely germane to compare the two. If you want to compare policies, fine. Go right ahead. Compare Harris' specific plans to implement any policies or positions she says she's for with the specific plans to implement the policies and positions Trump stands for. (And if you want to throw in a third party candidate or two, feel free. Might be fun.) Post your observations about this, and we'll see what conversations arise from it. But, when you do, please offer both sides, so we can compare and contrast, see who gets more specific, and whether or not we can use that specific information to make an informed decision when it comes time to vote.

If all you want to do is criticize one candidate's policies or positions, then you're de facto advocating for that candidate's opponent. Let's not pretend otherwise. So don't be surprised when that opponent's name comes up. And when that happens, don't be surprised if past actions by that person enter the discussion. Such as any attempts they may have made to subvert the electoral process by, say, appointing fake electors, or calling a state official to "find" enough votes to turn the state's election results. Or any insurrection attempts they may or may have incited. Just sayin'.

Now, I've seen more than a few presidential elections in my day. I can tell you, from experience, that few politicians, especially candidates for president, get overly specific about policy. Most offer vague and generalized promises, most of which won't come to pass. And we all know this. Nothing new under the sun there.

What strikes me as weird is how the MAGA right is now acting as if Kamala Harris is the first politician ever to do this. Especially considering Trump's been doing it all along.

And have you seen Trump's agenda? If you can find any specific plans in there, I'd be shocked.

-- A2SG, the only specific plans that I've seen are coming from the Heritage Foundation in Project 2025, and Trump claims to not know a thing about that....
 
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