Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

[Hans Blaster]

The ones who have allowed millions to cross the borders without any regulations or proper checks. Its easy to work out. Harris was given the job of border zcar and since then more than 10 million people as well as around 2 million unknowns lost to the system have entered the US.

Steve, Steve, Steve: Just because our country has actual land borders (in the desert no less) that are difficult to patrol and monitor does not mean we have no checks or regulations. That is just silly, Steve. Have you never tried passing through US Customs? It is literally the most restrictive and obnoxious I have ever gone through and I hold a US Passport. It was more complicated to get in to my country returning from yours than to enter yours.

Thats over 12 million people, half the population of Australia. Thats an open border policy plain and simple. Compare this to around 2 million under Trump.

It really isn't, but if you compare things to the population of your small island nation, then things get a bit distorted.

 

[Bradskii]

But your also assuming that compared to Trumps issues that the other candidate doesn't have their own. Which she does and a case can be made that they are even worse than Trump.

Any argument that you may be have has now lost all credibility.

 

[Aldebaran]

Steve, Steve, Steve: Just because our country has actual land borders (in the desert no less) that are difficult to patrol and monitor does not mean we have no checks or regulations. That is just silly, Steve. Have you never tried passing through US Customs? It is literally the most restrictive and obnoxious I have ever gone through and I hold a US Passport. It was more complicated to get in to my country returning from yours than to enter yours.

If you had paid money to the drug cartels, rented a young child, and then marched across the Rio Grande, you wouldn't have needed a passport, wouldn't have to pass through Customs, and you would even get a free bus ticket to go wherever you wished.

 

[Bradskii]

Have you never tried passing through US Customs?

Oh, don't get me started...

 

[Hans Blaster]

If you had paid money to the drug cartels, rented a young child, and then marched across the Rio Grande, you wouldn't have needed a passport, wouldn't have to pass through Customs, and you would even get a free bus ticket to go wherever you wished.

Why do you tar me with this? You could construct this bad argument without involving me.

 

[stevevw]

For one thing, a candidate not under federal indictments for his efforts to overturn an election he lost.
Thanks for asking.

We all know that as its been said a million times. I was thinking more about why people are voting for Harris. So lets say you have only two options and one is facing federal indictments and the other is a Totalitarian. Who would you vote for.

 

[Hans Blaster]

We all know that as its been said a million times. I was thinking more about why people are voting for Harris. So lets say you have only two options and one is facing federal indictments and the other is a Totalitarian. Who would you vote for.

It's far closer to one is under federal indictment *and* is a totalitarian. The choice should be pretty easy.

 

[Bradskii]

We all know that as its been said a million times. I was thinking more about why people are voting for Harris. So lets say you have only two options and one is facing federal indictments and the other is a Totalitarian. Who would you vote for.

You only consider people worthy of the position. If the policies of whoever is left are those with which you disagree then you have nobody to vote for.

This is pretty simple. It's Politics 101.

 

[stevevw]

Yet only one of the two candidates' administrations passed an infrastructure bill.

Passing a Bill means nothing. Its the actual building of the infrastructure that counts. I am sure other governments have put forwrd plans to address the poor infrastructure in the past. The fact is none have dealt with the problem because infrastructure in horribly neglected and in need of updating.

Look how quickly rhetoric about open borders is abandoned when faced with reality.

What is the reality. The only reality is that millions upon millions have crossed the border. That unknowns have entered the nation who are dangerous. That these millions will put pressure on resources and cause many locals to suffer. That more drugs and the destruction it causes have come into the US. That more crime is happening as a result. That more terror is being brought onto locals.

If we look at the examples in Europe and Britain we can see how the Lefts open border policies have brought chaos to those nations with a rise in radicalism and civil unrest.

I guess if there were no response to the criticisms of the GOP candidate, name calling against the people who make the observations might convince some people of, well, something. Others might view it as a desperate attempt to change the subject.

I agree, the more they can keep the focus on Trumps character the more they avoid people seeing the reality of their policies.

It isn't about Trump's character. It is the pending federal indictment for his efforts to overturn an election he lost. Something the other candidate isn't burdened with, no matter how many claims that both sides are the same.

Ah but when we look closer at Harris and the Left we begin to see the corruption and manipulation of power and the gaslighting, which is basically lying to the public. We see the use of lawfare and abuse of Rule of Law.

So really both sides are just as bad as each other. Its just that the current Left are in power and have the means to coverup their misdeeds. In some ways this is worse as the Left should know better as they are the ones claiming to be the party of democracy and honesty.

A paragraph which starts with baseless personal attacks just shows there's nothing worth considering. If there really were any convincing arguments those petty diversions wouldn't be needed.

Ok so I have thrown several facts about the poor governance of the Left and so far everyone has denied this. Surely you must agree that each side engages in bias and doesn't want to admit the full extent of what their side has done or represents.

We all know about Trump, its been the fixation of the Left and its media for years. Yes there are those who think Trump has done nothing wrong and they are not facing reality. But there are also those on the Left who do the same about the Left. The difference is the Left pretend or perhaps really believe their own BS.

For example we all knew or at least the Right and any independent minded person knew that Biden was cognitively declining and incoherent at times. But certainly not in any state of mind to run a nation for a long time.

But according to the Left he was as sharpe as a tack, had no problem and was fit and able to run the nation. That was until they were exposed in front of the nation and then suddenly began to pretend that this was a revelation and problem.

Now the Left was either knowingly gas lighting the nation even their own supporters or they truely believed that Biden was fine. It was probably a bit of both. To the minders like Harris they knew but lied. To many supporters maybe not because Biden was carefully mentored, scripted and propped up to avoid people seeing the reality.

So many probably believed Biden was truely cognitively ok and fit. But then if you had eyes and at least a bit of rationality you could tell he was not with it even when hidden by his minders. The Right had known this from at least 2 years. So Dems should have seen this as well if they were fair and unbiased.

So yes both sides engage in bias and self deception but the Left pretend they don't.

 

[stevevw]

It's far closer to one is under federal indictment *and* is a totalitarian. The choice should be pretty easy.

That can't be right as totalitarian is an extreme form of socialism which is on the Left side of the political spectrum. I want to know how far the Left will go in accepting an even worse choice.

Lets say one is under a federal endictment within a western free democractic system and the other is say a Hugo Chávez of Venezuela or another socialist totalitarian who wants to change the western system and bring in far Left socialism.

We could switch it around if you want. Say Harris is facing indictments but wanted to uphold free democracy and the Right wants to bring in a theocracy lol. Who would you vote for. Who would be the best candidate.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That can't be right as totalitarian is an extreme form of socialism which is on the Left side of the political spectrum.

The problem, Steve, is that "totalitarian" is *NOT* a position on the political spectrum. It is a system of government or organizing society that demand total subservience to the state or leader. It is the far end of authoritarianism and while it does not actually describe Felon/Candidate Trump, he has authoritarian tendencies as do many of his backers.

I want to know how far the Left will go in accepting an even worse choice.

Lets say one is under a federal endictment within a western free democractic system and the other is say a Hugo Chávez of Venezuela or another socialist totalitarian who wants to change the western system and bring in far Left socialism.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with VP Harris or her party. It is a false and irrelevant point unrelated to any current situation.

 

[stevevw]

How nice of you to foment enmity betwixt the citizens of my nation.
Fare thee well.

I am not up on my old exnglish> I think you said "How nice of you to stir up conflict and hostility between the citizens of my nation". Is that right.

If thats the case unfortunately it wasn't me but is the state of affairs not just for your nation but for many western nations. I assume with the old english you are speaking of Britain.

If so aren't they having civil unrest, riots and divisions at the moment on issues like the economy and immigration. The same thing is happening in Europe including the Scandinavian nations who were once the most peaceful and equal nations. Now they are decending into divisions, violence and terror.

Even my nation Australia has had its fair share of immigration issues, of divisions, violence on the streets due to identity politics and radicals causing terror.

 

[Aldebaran]

Why do you tar me with this? You could construct this bad argument without involving me.

Because you brought up Customs, passports, and how it was (in your words) "It is literally the most restrictive and obnoxious I have ever gone through".
But 12 million have crossed the border without having to deal with all that. I thought maybe you'd like hearing how you could avoid all the hassle.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Because you brought up Customs, passports, and how it was (in your words) "It is literally the most restrictive and obnoxious I have ever gone through".
But 12 million have crossed the border without having to deal with all that. I thought maybe you'd like hearing how you could avoid all the hassle.

I'll ask you the same question? Have you ever crossed the US border? Flown to a foreign country? (I have serious doubts that Steve has been to the US, because of the claim he made.)

 

[KCfromNC]

We all know that as its been said a million times. I was thinking more about why people are voting for Harris.

For one thing, she the candidate not under federal indictments for his efforts to overturn an election he lost.
Thanks for asking.

 

[KCfromNC]

Passing a Bill means nothing.

Not when comparing it to a previous administration which failed to.

What is the reality. The only reality is that millions upon millions have crossed the border. That unknowns have entered the nation who are dangerous. That these millions will put pressure on resources and cause many locals to suffer. That more drugs and the destruction it causes have come into the US. That more crime is happening as a result. That more terror is being brought onto locals.

At least we've abandonded the "open borders" talking point and have moved to a different distraction.

I agree, the more they can keep the focus on Trumps character

And failures in his first term, and his illegal activities during and since. Don't forget those.

For example we all knew or at least the Right and any independent minded person knew that Biden was cognitively declining and incoherent at times. But certainly not in any state of mind to run a nation for a long time.

And on to yet another diversion.

 

[stevevw]

The problem, Steve, is that "totalitarian" is *NOT* a position on the political spectrum. It is a system of government or organizing society that demand total subservience to the state or leader. It is the far end of authoritarianism and while it does not actually describe Felon/Candidate Trump, he has authoritarian tendencies as do many of his backers.

I think Totalitarianism stems from certain ideological beliefs. For example socialism in its extreme forms have these tendencies where the State controls more and more. The problem is todays ideologies are a conglomeration of many ideas and beliefs and are evolving. So they are not obvious.

But any psychological and sociological study can find certain mind sets and beliefs that are conducive with control, with social control. Both sides of politics are capable of becoming controlling and I think what we are seeing is the extremes of politics coming out for various reasons. I think its a combination of factors such as perhaps anxiety about climate change, increased insecurity over war and demostic conflict, and social media. The pandemic also propoelled us into a more controlling world.

In recent times the Left has gained power in many western nations and there has been a rise in socialist and Marxist ideology throughout. This is evidenced by the increase in campus and society wide protests. The attacks on capitalism and colonialism.

I think this is the result of academic elites rising to power in recent years which has coincided with the rise of PC, CC, Woke and Identity politics in the form of DEI. With this the rise of radical ideology and many groups such as BLM and ANTIFA which are only the tip of the iceberge as far as radical Marxist groups connecting around the world including Hamas. Hamas to their radicals is just an impressed group victim to the white system of power.

This same ideology is what Harris stands for. We can see in in her own words and beliefs. The Left may be trying to gaslight everyone that she is a moderate. that the Left are moderates. But unfortunately these radicals are rising to the top and taking over. If you want to know what Harris will be like for the Nation you just have to look to Newsom and California. Or any of a number of Leftist cities that are going down the drain.

Gavin Newsom turned the California dream into a woke nightmare

Gavin Newsom turned the California dream into a woke nightmare

Poverty, crime, unemployment, homelessness – the sunshine state is losing its glow

www.telegraph.co.uk

Kamala Harris is a dangerous authoritarian and an enemy of core American freedoms

Kamala Harris is a dangerous authoritarian and an enemy of core American freedoms

She is a fan of obedience to authority, especially of Democrat-run government, at the expense of personal freedom in ways that are deeply un-American.

nypost.com

Kamala Harris Is Still a Dangerous Authoritarian

Kamala Harris Is Still a Dangerous Authoritarian | National Review

We should not write off the menace of a Kamala Harris presidency simply because she has proven herself shallow and inept as a vice president.

www.nationalreview.com

Which has absolutely nothing to do with VP Harris or her party. It is a false and irrelevant point unrelated to any current situation.

See this is what I was talking about earlier with the different and opposing views and beliefs on each side. That every issue and reason the Left think Trump is dangerous and will damage the US the Right thinks the same about Harris and the Leftist ideology and its damage on the US, on the fundemental principles the west was built on.

You say its not the case but your speaking from your biased political outlook. I gave the example of how the Left including Harris gaslight the people about Bidens health. They were either biased and deluded that he really was sharpe and the right man. Or they were knowingly lying because thats what happens in politics. People want to paint a false picture of reality to push their agenda.

So whether you berlieve it or not there are many and for some issues the majority who think Harris is the danger more than Trump. That the Left are pushing some anti democractic socialist and DEI Woke ideology onto everyone.

And there is good reason for this because the evidence seems to support this with what is actually happening in society with this radical ideology being pushed in our institutions, in schoools, sports, health and law. With the increased violence and division in society along the lines of identity.

Harris, Walts and many radicals in the Left like AOC and Newsom are staunch advocates of these DEI Marxist ideology. Just research Harris's alligences and own words, actions and policies, the little she has let out of the bag.

 

[Bradskii]

This same ideology is what Harris stands for.

Gavin Newsom turned the California dream into a woke nightmare

Gavin Newsom turned the California dream into a woke nightmare

Poverty, crime, unemployment, homelessness – the sunshine state is losing its glow

www.telegraph.co.uk

Kamala Harris is a dangerous authoritarian and an enemy of core American freedoms

Kamala Harris is a dangerous authoritarian and an enemy of core American freedoms

She is a fan of obedience to authority, especially of Democrat-run government, at the expense of personal freedom in ways that are deeply un-American.

nypost.com

Kamala Harris Is Still a Dangerous Authoritarian

Kamala Harris Is Still a Dangerous Authoritarian | National Review

We should not write off the menace of a Kamala Harris presidency simply because she has proven herself shallow and inept as a vice president.

www.nationalreview.com

And if you want to give realistic examples from unbiased sources containing thought provoking articles c/w facts and figures to bolster your argument, you turn to The Daily Telegraph, The NY Post and the National Review.

Farcical.

 

[stevevw]

You only consider people worthy of the position. If the policies of whoever is left are those with which you disagree then you have nobody to vote for.

This is pretty simple. It's Politics 101.

But as we know politics has been takan into new territory with ideological beliefs now and identity politics. So this is also influencing peoples views. In that sense people see Harris and the Left as more of a danger to freedom and democracy.

Never mind what people may say about a potential Trump government right now they are seeing and expoeriencing the chaos and devastation of the current regime. Harris is seen as just an extention of this ideology and in fact even more radical than any leader the US has had. Maybe even worse than Trudeau lol.

 

[A2SG]

I think Totalitarianism stems from certain ideological beliefs. For example socialism in its extreme forms have these tendencies where the State controls more and more. The problem is todays ideologies are a conglomeration of many ideas and beliefs and are evolving. So they are not obvious.

But any psychological and sociological study can find certain mind sets and beliefs that are conducive with control, with social control. Both sides of politics are capable of becoming controlling and I think what we are seeing is the extremes of politics coming out for various reasons. I think its a combination of factors such as perhaps anxiety about climate change, increased insecurity over war and demostic conflict, and social media. The pandemic also propoelled us into a more controlling world.

In recent times the Left has gained power in many western nations and there has been a rise in socialist and Marxist ideology throughout. This is evidenced by the increase in campus and society wide protests. The attacks on capitalism and colonialism.

I think this is the result of academic elites rising to power in recent years which has coincided with the rise of PC, CC, Woke and Identity politics in the form of DEI. With this the rise of radical ideology and many groups such as BLM and ANTIFA which are only the tip of the iceberge as far as radical Marxist groups connecting around the world including Hamas. Hamas to their radicals is just an impressed group victim to the white system of power.

This same ideology is what Harris stands for. We can see in in her own words and beliefs. The Left may be trying to gaslight everyone that she is a moderate. that the Left are moderates. But unfortunately these radicals are rising to the top and taking over. If you want to know what Harris will be like for the Nation you just have to look to Newsom and California. Or any of a number of Leftist cities that are going down the drain.

Gavin Newsom turned the California dream into a woke nightmare

Gavin Newsom turned the California dream into a woke nightmare

Poverty, crime, unemployment, homelessness – the sunshine state is losing its glow

www.telegraph.co.uk

Kamala Harris is a dangerous authoritarian and an enemy of core American freedoms

Kamala Harris is a dangerous authoritarian and an enemy of core American freedoms

She is a fan of obedience to authority, especially of Democrat-run government, at the expense of personal freedom in ways that are deeply un-American.

nypost.com

Kamala Harris Is Still a Dangerous Authoritarian

Kamala Harris Is Still a Dangerous Authoritarian | National Review

We should not write off the menace of a Kamala Harris presidency simply because she has proven herself shallow and inept as a vice president.

www.nationalreview.com

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First, I hear from Trump supporters, how Kamala Harris has no stated policies, never offers any specifics....then they criticize policy after policy, and call every specific stance she supposedly has "marxist" or "socialist" or "communist."

Now, apparently, she's a totalitarian. Gee.

Tell you what, give me a specific instance of Kamala Harris saying, directly, that she supports a specific totalitarian policy, rather than one that someone claims is totalitarian, and we'll talk. Until then, it's just fearmongering, and I don't buy into that.

But, since Kamala Harris is running against Trump, let's examine both candidates by the same yardstick. If Harris indulges in non-specifics in terms of policy (as practically every politician does to one extent or another), then Trump is the undisputed King of Non-Specifics. Under Trump, he says, we had the "best" economy, the "best" immigration policy, the "best" well, everything. What does that mean?

Nothing.

But, for the sake of comparison, Let's examine some actual numbers: under Trump, the deficit rose 8.4 trillion. Under Biden, 4.3 billion. Not sure how that figures as the "best," maybe someone can explain that.

See this is what I was talking about earlier with the different and opposing views and beliefs on each side. That every issue and reason the Left think Trump is dangerous and will damage the US the Right thinks the same about Harris and the Leftist ideology and its damage on the US, on the fundemental principles the west was built on.

You say its not the case but your speaking from your biased political outlook. I gave the example of how the Left including Harris gaslight the people about Bidens health. They were either biased and deluded that he really was sharpe and the right man. Or they were knowingly lying because thats what happens in politics. People want to paint a false picture of reality to push their agenda.

So whether you berlieve it or not there are many and for some issues the majority who think Harris is the danger more than Trump. That the Left are pushing some anti democractic socialist and DEI Woke ideology onto everyone.

And there is good reason for this because the evidence seems to support this with what is actually happening in society with this radical ideology being pushed in our institutions, in schoools, sports, health and law. With the increased violence and division in society along the lines of identity.

Harris, Walts and many radicals in the Left like AOC and Newsom are staunch advocates of these DEI Marxist ideology. Just research Harris's alligences and own words, actions and policies, the little she has let out of the bag.

Here's the thing: I don't believe Trump wants to be a dictator, at least not in the Pinochet/Stalin/Mussolini sense. I think he fancies himself the CEO of the US as if it were a large corporation, where profits are high and he gets richer as a result. I think his pursuit of power in issues like presidential immunity rise from his desire to evade accountability for the crimes and frauds he's committed before becoming president, and during. I don't think he wants to rule over people with an iron fist, I think he just wants to be rich, and get richer, and not have to obey any rules along the way.

I say this based on this documented history of committing fraud on multiple occasions, his 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, and his many indictments for other crimes. Also on his constant lies about losing the last election, and his attempts to hang onto power after losing: fake electors, demanding the Georgia election officials "find" enough votes to declare him winner, his incitement of a mob with the intent to disrupt the certification of the 2020 election. These actions are those of a man who is determined to hang onto power, mostly so he can do whatever he wants, and not be held accountable for his actions.

If you consider such a person to be less dangerous than Kamala Harris, then by all means, vote for him. I can't imagine why anyone would trust a leader who has committed fraud multiple times, but it's not my vote.

-- A2SG, mine will be going to Kamala Harris.....