Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

[Bradskii]

I understand that their only motivation is they hate Trump. But thats not a good reason to choose the alternative. Its based on feelings and not reality.

Let's say that you are on the team that has to hire someone new for a position at your work. You get a few references. A few CVs. One guys seems to fit the bill. But one of your colleagues has dug a little deeper.

He tells you what the guy had said, on tape, about grabbing women by their genitals. It seems that he has been charged and found guilty of fraud. That the fraud case involved him cheating on his wife (while she was pregnant) with a porn star. You are also told that it was found that he had sexually assaulted a woman by digitally raping her. And subsequent to that had been fined an extraordinary amount for defaming the same woman. That there had been a vote by management in a previous job to release him from his position and he constantly lied, and in fact still lies about it, despite taking the matter to court dozens of times and his claims being rejected each time.

Your colleague says that there's more. Do you need him to continue? Is it worth continuing? Hasn't everyone heard enough? Is there anyone dumb enough to suggest that hey, maybe this is the type of person we want working here? Don't you immediately crumple up his application and say 'I think it's safe to say that we move on'?

 

[stevevw]

Moving the goalposts, I see.

No its having the goal post exactly where they should be according to the facts. All governments make big promises about infrastructure and other issues but rarely back their promises.

Like I said the fact that an Infrastructure week exists is because infrastructure has been neglected by both governments. That means both governments including the Dems have made big promises about infrastructure in the past and failed to deliver. They are the facts and all we have to go on, the past broken promises. What makes you think it will be different.

There are any number of regulations currently in place, so I guess you must be talking about politicians from some other country than the US.

Hum and yet millions are crossing the border. So it looks like the regulations are not working or not being applied.

I agree Trump, when he was the head of the government, didn't deliver on his promise.

Yes no different to any government. But what the Left do is call the kettle black. They make a big issue about the opposition for doing the exact same thing they have done. Its all theatre.

Given only one of the two candidates has been indicted for their efforts on the topic, it's still a way to distinguish between the two of them.

Its part of the equation but not the entire equation. What the Left do is make it the only equation. Like I said the DNC mentions Trump nearly 400 times trashing hime with nonthing about policy. Its call Trump derrangement syndrome.

The idea is when you make it all about TRumps character its takes peoples eyes off their own problems. We all know the Left are just as bad. They are just better at hiding it. That is why people still support Trump as they know his character flaws and still think he is OK and wants the best for the US.

But they also know that the Left has done the same but hate that they pretend they are not the same.

If I had a way to get right wing talking points like this to actually match reality I'd do so, but given that's out of my control I guess I do just have to go along with them continuing to misrepresent the facts on the ground.

Lol you must be either deluded or biased. Does the fact that under Trump there was around 2 million illegal immigrants but under Biden/Harris there is 10 million plus another 2 million unknowns that have been lost into the system some of which are radicals help jog your memory.

What about the fact that people are struggling to put food on the table, choosing between medicine and food, struggling to pay the rent because of Biden economics. What about energy costs and petrol costs or that now the dream of owning a home has disappeared for the first time in modern history.

Thats the facts and reality on the ground. You must be living on another planet.

 

[stevevw]

Tell me if Trump is so bad then why is Kennedy now supporting him. A Dem that sees his own Democratic parting having lost their way and becoming radicalised. Having abandoned their own Democratic foundations.

He laid out the reasons why and funny enough they are exactly the same reasons as I have pointed out. That many people have been pointing out. Everyone can see this except the Left ideologues.

 

[Bradskii]

Tell me if Trump is so bad then why is Kennedy now supporting him.

Oh, come on. That's quite a naive question. The guy was going nowhere so he's had a chat with Trump to see what his endorsement is worth.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Tell me if Trump is so bad then why is Kennedy now supporting him.

RFK Jr. was ready to work for president Trump 8 years ago.
Trump's billionaire Mellon-heir donor also supported RFK Jr.
This shell-game has been transparent from day one.

Vaccine skeptic RFK Jr. says he'll chair vaccine commission for Trump​

 

[Aldebaran]

Oh, come on. That's quite a naive question. The guy was going nowhere so he's had a chat with Trump to see what his endorsement is worth.

Every third party candidate so far has gone nowhere. Did that stop them from running in the election?

 

[Bradskii]

Every third party candidate so far has gone nowhere. Did that stop them from running in the election?

Surprisingly, the answer to that is no.

 

[stevevw]

RFK Jr. was ready to work for president Trump 8 years ago.
Trump's billionaire Mellon-heir donor also supported RFK Jr.
This shell-game has been transparent from day one.

Vaccine skeptic RFK Jr. says he'll chair vaccine commission for Trump​

Yet he is a democrate at heart. What pushed him to go all the way with Trump. It was because he believes the Democrates have lost their way and are engaging in identity politics and have no substance or vision for the future.

So its a fundemental disagreement with the direction the Left is taking. He believes its serious enough to actually give his support to stopping the Dems getting into power and destroying the US.

 

[stevevw]

Let's say that you are on the team that has to hire someone new for a position at your work. You get a few references. A few CVs. One guys seems to fit the bill. But one of your colleagues has dug a little deeper.

He tells you what the guy had said, on tape, about grabbing women by their genitals. It seems that he has been charged and found guilty of fraud. That the fraud case involved him cheating on his wife (while she was pregnant) with a porn star. You are also told that it was found that he had sexually assaulted a woman by digitally raping her. And subsequent to that had been fined an extraordinary amount for defaming the same woman. That there had been a vote by management in a previous job to release him from his position and he constantly lied, and in fact still lies about it, despite taking the matter to court dozens of times and his claims being rejected each time.

Your colleague says that there's more. Do you need him to continue? Is it worth continuing? Hasn't everyone heard enough? Is there anyone dumb enough to suggest that hey, maybe this is the type of person we want working here? Don't you immediately crumple up his application and say 'I think it's safe to say that we move on'?

Ok so lets put this in context. There are only 2 candidates and both have their faults. Its not as if the job is open. But then we find the alternative has not even been vetting, we heard that a few elite executives have got together and put her forward despite not being vetting for the job.

Then when we look at her actual credentials we find radical ideas that will create division, even violence to the point of violence and harming people and undermining the company.

We find that the company actually hiring has used lawfare and manipulation of power to bias peoples views and attack the other applicant instead of going by the rules of the company. A direct undermining of the company itself and its principles.

So we have two bad options and not a good and bad one. Its picking the least bad. If the plane needs a pilot and the pilot has some shady past as compared to a radical pilot who cannot fly and in fact has a history of crashing planes. I know which pilot I am going with.

 

[Pommer]

So its a fundemental disagreement with the direction the Left is taking. He believes its serious enough to actually give his support to stopping the Dems getting into power and destroying the US.

This “destroying the US” is fun former banter, doom-and-gloom, but no serious political thinker looks at the “other party” as an enemy. They’re our relatives, neighbors and friends.

 

[stevevw]

This “destroying the US” is fun former banter, doom-and-gloom, but no serious political thinker looks at the “other party” as an enemy. They’re our relatives, neighbors and friends.

I disagree. It use to be that way where there was a pretty big middle ground. But the middle is being lost and now even mainstream is becoming more extreme. But the far fringe extremes have also come to the centre.

This is easy to spot. The red flags are the general civil unrest and the extreme group violence on the streets. The rise in anti semetism not on the fringes but within institutions, government and of attacks and intimidation of Jews in society more generally.

But also the rise of 100 or more different extreme groups. BLM is just one of a number of radical groups associated with subversive and anti democractic ideologies that have risen. Most linked to globel terrorist groups.

You can tell the climate has increased where now politics has become ideological and moral and a more serious matter even to the point of life and death. Another red flag is the attemped assissination of a presidential candidate. People can say it was a lone wolf but the climate was already created by the level of extreme narratives being pushed.

The extreme narratives were being pushed because the political climate has become extreme and more divided. Its become more divided because of the ideologies being pushed that not only include politics but ideological beliefs. Thats because politics has been made personal due to the State now encroaching on all aspects of life thanks to Woke PC identity politics.

 

[Bradskii]

Then when we look at her actual credentials we find radical ideas that will create division...

You really are trying hard to avoid the blazingly obvious point I'm making. Policies don't even come into it. The guy doesn't get considered for the job as soon as you find out what sort of person he is. He is excluded by the very facts I gave. Nobody mentioned how good he might be at his job or what qualifications he has. He doesn't get an interview because of what you know about his character.

Now if you want to check out the second applicant then get her in for an interview. Check out what she'd bring to the position. Ask her how she'd organise things. And if you don't agree with her positions on how the place should be run, then don't take her on. But at least she gets a hearing.

The other guy shouldn't even be allowed in the building.

 

[stevevw]

You really are trying hard to avoid the blazingly obvious point I'm making. Policies don't even come into it. The guy doesn't get considered for the job as soon as you find out what sort of person he is. He is excluded by the very facts I gave. Nobody mentioned how good he might be at his job or what qualifications he has. He doesn't get an interview because of what you know about his character.

Now if you want to check out the second applicant then get her in for an interview. Check out what she'd bring to the position. Ask her how she'd organise things. And if you don't agree with her positions on how the place should be run, then don't take her on. But at least she gets a hearing.

The other guy shouldn't even be allowed in the building.

Thats more or less what I just said. I said its not an open vetting process. Only two candidates were allowed to apply. Before we even look at the histories and characters one of the applicants (Harris) has cheated.

She been put forward without a 1st round of vetting but rather picked based on identity by a few elites who have abused their power and not the credentials of being the best candidate by their own organisation putting her forward.

Under normal circumstances some who has not earn't that final interview by merit should be excluded full stop. So Harris doesn't get considered as soon as you find out that there has been bias and manipulation of the vetting process in the first place.

But your also assuming that compared to Trumps issues that the other candidate doesn't have their own. Which she does and a case can be made that they are even worse than Trump.

If thats the case and these are the only candidates then regardless and one has to be chosen and they both have issues then we still have to choose one and weigh up the positives and negatives.

Theres no automatic disqualification because both candidates have problems. If you want to disqualify one based on a certain set of criteria then we can disqualify the other as well on other issues that may make her an even worse candidate.

Unfortunately that is the situation with US politics at the moment. Theres no easy choice.

You seem to think that the opposition must think like you do and see the same thing. But they don't, that is why they are the opposition. For every issue you say about Trump being no good as president, being a dictator, ruining the nation, causing problems the opposition thinks the same thing about Harris and the Left.

They also think Harris is a liar, is dangerous, will ruin the nation, has engaged in a manipulation of power, has supported ideas that cause harm to children, parents, family and society as a whole.

Taking all into consideration they just believe that Harris and Leftist ideology will cause the greater harm.

 

[KCfromNC]

I don't think either party is ideal and that is a symptom of the state of US politics at the moment. It seems the majority of people at least on economics, immigration and national security back Trump despite these character flaws. That shows policy is most important.

But what exactly are the voters on the Left voting for.

For one thing, a candidate not under federal indictments for his efforts to overturn an election he lost.
Thanks for asking.

 

[KCfromNC]

No its having the goal post exactly where they should be according to the facts. All governments make big promises about infrastructure and other issues but rarely back their promises.

Like I said the fact that an Infrastructure week exists is because infrastructure has been neglected by both governments.

Yet only one of the two candidates' administrations passed an infrastructure bill.

Hum and yet millions are crossing the border. So it looks like the regulations are not working or not being applied.

Look how quickly rhetoric about open borders is abandoned when faced with reality.

Its part of the equation but not the entire equation. What the Left do is make it the only equation. Like I said the DNC mentions Trump nearly 400 times trashing hime with nonthing about policy. Its call Trump derrangement syndrome.

I guess if there were no response to the criticisms of the GOP candidate, name calling against the people who make the observations might convince some people of, well, something. Others might view it as a desperate attempt to change the subject.

The idea is when you make it all about TRumps character its takes peoples eyes off their own problems. We all know the Left are just as bad.

It isn't about Trump's character. It is the pending federal indictment for his efforts to overturn an election he lost. Something the other candidate isn't burdened with, no matter how many claims that both sides are the same.

Lol you must be either deluded or biased.

A paragraph which starts with baseless personal attacks just shows there's nothing worth considering. If there really were any convincing arguments those petty diversions wouldn't be needed.

 

[Hammster]

Yet he is a democrate at heart. What pushed him to go all the way with Trump. It was because he believes the Democrates have lost their way and are engaging in identity politics and have no substance or vision for the future.

So its a fundemental disagreement with the direction the Left is taking. He believes its serious enough to actually give his support to stopping the Dems getting into power and destroying the US.

He’s probably more of a JFK Democrat.

 

[essentialsaltes]

He’s probably more of a JFK Democrat.

Not really, no.

 

[Aldebaran]

Surprisingly, the answer to that is no.

Then it shouldn't be all that surprising when the third party candidate of this election decides to go with he knows to be the winning team.

 

[Aldebaran]

This “destroying the US” is fun former banter, doom-and-gloom, but no serious political thinker looks at the “other party” as an enemy. They’re our relatives, neighbors and friends.

It goes well with the "Trump and MAGA are the biggest threat to democracy" rhetoric.
Are you ready to abandon that, or are Republicans your relatives, neighbors and friends?

 

[Pommer]

I disagree. It use to be that way where there was a pretty big middle ground. But the middle is being lost and now even mainstream is becoming more extreme. But the far fringe extremes have also come to the centre.

How nice of you to foment enmity betwixt the citizens of my nation.
Fare thee well.