Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

[Aldebaran]

Never mind? Never mind the plot to steal the election?

No, we will not let this be the new normal. This isn't to be pushed to one side. This is not to be forgotten. This is not to be forgiven. This will always be remembered. Especially by the Republican Party. Because it's the main reason they will lose this election. It's the main reason why they will need to rebuild.

This whole "steal the election plot" conspiracy theory migrated to Venezuela, where it was finally squashed. Time to move on.

 

[Bradskii]

The policies are what at the end of the day should be how we determine the best candidate.

If you think that a person who is a convicted felon, had sex with a porn start while his wife was carrying his son, was found to have sexually assaulted another woman and tried to overturn a democratically decided election, then you vote for him? Me? If that was the guy who wanted my vote, I wouldn't even bother asking what hs policies might be.

 

[Bradskii]

This whole "steal the election plot" conspiracy theory migrated to Venezuela, where it was finally squashed. Time to move on.

No, it will never be time to move on regarding that. He'll always be known for it.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, it will never be time to move on regarding that. He'll always be known for it.

Only if that's what you choose to dwell on.

 

[Bradskii]

Only if that's what you choose to dwell on.

There's things that you dwell on. And there are things that you never forget. Maybe the difference is too subtle for you.

 

[Aldebaran]

There's things that you dwell on. And there are things that you never forget. Maybe the difference is too subtle for you.

I choose not to forget that the economy was great under Trump. I remember how he got large sections of border wall built. I remember how the MSM just loved attacking him all the time, just as they do now. I remember how someone tried to murder him, but that seems to be pretty well swept under the rug.

 

[stevevw]

If you think that a person who is a convicted felon, had sex with a porn start while his wife was carrying his son, was found to have sexually assaulted and tried to overturn a democratically decided election, then vote for him. Me? If that was the guy who wanted my vote, I wouldn't even bother asking what hs policies might be.

I don't think either party is ideal and that is a symptom of the state of US politics at the moment. It seems the majority of people at least on economics, immigration and national security back Trump despite these character flaws. That shows policy is most important.

But what exactly are the voters on the Left voting for. They have nothing of substance to go on. They are voting blindly for a candidate that only a few months ago even their own party thought was not a good candidate. Thats telling.

To say that the Left are clean skins is a joke. They are just better at cobering their tracks. We know some shady deals have been done and covered up by the Bidens. We know that Harris is a radical Leftist and her ideas are divisive and dangerous. We have seen them play out in society and places like Chicago, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles and even New York.

Businesses are leaving Leftist cities as crime, homelessness and drug addiction is up. The ideologues believe like illegal immigrants are not really criminals those who commit crime in these cities are not really criminals but suffer a social problem so are not prosecuted. That has led to massive increases in crime. As a result many families and businesses including minority businesses are leaving these States. Do we really want a nation version of these cities as Harris and Waltz support the same ideology.

If you think that a person who is a convicted felon, had sex with a porn start while his wife was carrying his son, was found to have sexually assaulted and tried to overturn a democratically decided election, then vote for him. Me? If that was the guy who wanted my vote, I wouldn't even bother asking what hs policies might be.

If your going to get all moral about politics didn't Harris have an affair with a married man to make her way to the top. Didn't she lie and gaslight the nation over Biden. Didn't Bidens own family benefit from shady deals that use his position ass collateral. Didn't Clinton get caught with his pants down in the oval office having an affair while in office let alone while not. All the shady deals the Clintons done.

There is plenty more we could dig up on the Left like their use of Lawfare and manipulation of power while in office. Their incompetence on security, their mismangaement of the economy to the point that people are going hungrey and homeless. Thats a crime in itself because it was done for selfish reasons to push their ideology.

So we can go down that rabbit hole and I think you will find the Left is just as bad but they are better at covering it up because they are in power. At the end of the day it comes down to policies and as the city examples above show and the state of the nations economy, crime and immigration the Left don't have a good track record.

But worst of all the Left are committing criminal acts through their own ideology in denying parental rights and allowing State sanctioned butchery of children transitioning. This will go down in history as one of the greatest child abuses cases where even the government like the church presided over child abuse. Thats not mentioning all the damage the ideology has caused education and society. Just another example of the Lefts radicalism like DEI which is destroying the nation.

 

[stevevw]

The morning after pill does not cause abortions.

Sorry I meant chemical abortions. But then what does the morning after pill do exactly. I find the idea that society can take pills like headache pills to stop pregnancy a sign of the times and an example of how we have disrespected relationships and sex in general. Like its a headache we need to get rid of.

That attitude feeds the disrespect we have for life in general and helps prop up the ideology of abortion on demand like its an inconvience of modern day life.

What people don't see is the wider implications of how we treat relationships, sex, marriage and the family and how this will then affect society as a whole with a lowered standard of life and values through these policies and laws.

Fundementally the Lefts ideology is all about destruction, destroying the fetus, destroying life, destroying healthy childrens bodies, destroying relationships and parents and the family which ultimately destroys communities and society as a whole.

They claim to be all about life and joy and are not being weird but there is sure a lot of misery, destruction and weirdness in their ideology and policies.

 

[NxNW]

Only if that's what you choose to dwell on.

Well, Charles Mansion wrote songs, but I'll dwell on the murderous cult aspect.

 

[NxNW]

I choose not to forget that the economy was great under Trump.

Except for the recession.

I remember how he got large sections of border wall built.

You mean, a few miles?

I remember how the MSM just loved attacking him all the time, just as they do now. I remember how someone tried to murder him, but that seems to be pretty well swept under the rug.

Well, when Republican shoots Republican, the media forgets about it, apparently.

 

[stevevw]

I think people need to take a step back and just think about what actually is happening and not what is being said or claimed. The fact is we have examples of the same radical Leftist ideology playing out in many cities and it has led to the destruction of those cities. Even the Dems are acknowledging that and getting out.

We see the same destruction on a bigger scale with people struggling to live, crime, Trans ideology, DEI and the division and chaos on the streets with unrest, riots and violence. The same has happened in other Leftist nations around the world. The way the Left have created divisions even on a world scale with their ideology influencing their beliefs about terrorism almost being a right to push back against the so called oppressors.

These are clear examples of what we can expect with another 4 years of the Left. We can certainly say right here and now the US and many western nations but also most of the world is not in a good place. Locally its not good and people know that.

Yet the Left will have us believe that after 4 years this reality of chaos doesn't match their claims about them having the truth, the true and best ideology and policiy to go forward. If their current term has not produced this so called Woke socialist Utopia they have been promising but rather chaos then why should people believe it will be different.

Thats the reality of the situation. Not personalities, the morality of individuals or the media headlines but what is actually happening on the streets, in communities where the standard of life is going down and people are becoming more and more disenfranchised and now rioting because they have had enough.

But the problem is now as a result the Right have become extreme. So we now have two radicalised alternatives pushing their agendas. Its not a good situation at all for anyone. But the idea that one alternative is the answer is unreal. No alternative is good and that means we are not as a whole in a good situation. We need a savior to sort this out.

Sweden’s Lessons for America
The bottom line is that socialist policies didn’t even work in Sweden. Massive government intervention had undermined not only productivity and innovation but also the very foundations that made Sweden look like the best place to experiment with it.

https://www.cato.org/policy-report/january/february-2020/swedens-lessons-america

 

[Bradskii]

I choose not to forget that the economy was great under Trump. I remember how he got large sections of border wall built. I remember how the MSM just loved attacking him all the time, just as they do now. I remember how someone tried to murder him, but that seems to be pretty well swept under the rug.

Apart from him being shot at, the only thing the history books will relate is that he tried to usurp the democratic process of the US. Well, if they choose to not mention him having sex with a porn star and sexually assaulting a woman.

 

[Bradskii]

I don't think either party is ideal...

I haven't read the rest of your post. Because your very first statement doesn't address what I was talking about. And I'm being quite clear. My command of the English language may not be the best, but it's sufficient for you to understand what I'm talking about.

So I guess that you are choosing not to address it. I can't do anything else. My posts and yours are there for anyone to see.

 

[stevevw]

I choose not to forget that the economy was great under Trump. I remember how he got large sections of border wall built. I remember how the MSM just loved attacking him all the time, just as they do now. I remember how someone tried to murder him, but that seems to be pretty well swept under the rug.

Two things I think people forget about Trump, actually three things because they are so fixated on bringing him down. Which is amusing as its almost legalised character assisnation. So they didn't get him by the gun but by the relentless attacks on his character. Which is classic identity politics playing into the mad dictor stereotype.

But one good thing I think is that he is the first president in history or at least modern history that never took pay for entering politics and being the president. I remember most people use to say that polititians were paid too much and were motivated by money. Here we have a person who actually lost personal money for being president.

The second is and even the Left were amazed that a president could amit that the system was corrupt and that he knew it was because he was part of it. I remember dave Shapell nearly falling over when Trump said that. Like we all know the system is rigged but no one in power ever admits this.

The third is the Abraham Accord. This was the closest we got to a unilateral peace agreement in the Middle East. Bringing several Middle Eastern nations like Dubia, Jordan, UAE and others to recognise Isreal and denounce terrorism. This would have isolated Iran and made a clear stand against terrorism.

But the Biden administration demantled the Accord and didn't persue it. Rather they have actually sent a mixed message which feeds into the hands of Iran and its terror groups. Including a growing number of radicals on home soil with the rise of antisemetism.

Add to this that the man got shot only a few weeks ago and the Left treat it like it didn't happen and many secretly wishing it did. That anyone could come back from that and still be willing to risk life and limb to uphold what they believe in is just as great if not one of the greatest acts of courage and integrity I think has happened in a long time when it comes to American politics.

It may be despite all of Trumps imperfections that in time when we look back at this period especially if the Left stays in power and we end up finally realising the chaos and hell they will unleash witrh the full extent of their ideology be realised that people will see Trump as at least one who stood up against this Leftist madness.

 

[Bradskii]

Two things I think people forget about Trump, actually three things because they are so fixated on bringing him down. Which is amusing as its almost legalised character assisnation. So they didn't get him by the gun but by the relentless attacks on his character.

That's one thing. There aren't any others needed. Why don't you understand this?

 

[KCfromNC]

OK well we will just have to wait and see as we find with many of these Bills that they get passed but never really come to fruition. Evidently only around 5% of the allocated money will go to traditional infrastructure like roads and bridges. So who knows where the rest will go. Knowing big government its like red tape and wasted green projects.

Moving the goalposts, I see.

The ones who have allowed millions to cross the borders without any regulations or proper checks.

There are any number of regulations currently in place, so I guess you must be talking about politicians from some other country than the US.

Yeah he probably needed more time remembering that most governments promise a lot but rarely deliver.

I agree Trump, when he was the head of the government, didn't deliver on his promise.

Has he been to court yet and found guilty. I thought it was innocent till proven guilty,

Given only one of the two candidates has been indicted for their efforts on the topic, it's still a way to distinguish between the two of them.

So I guess that means your going fpr more of the same, poor economy, mass illegal immigration and all its damaging consequences, conmtinues civil unrest and the decline of our institutions and democracy.

If I had a way to get right wing talking points like this to actually match reality I'd do so, but given that's out of my control I guess I do just have to go along with them continuing to misrepresent the facts on the ground.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well, Charles Mansion wrote songs, but I'll dwell on the murderous cult aspect.

Whatever makes you happy.

 

[Aldebaran]

Apart from him being shot at, the only thing the history books will relate is that he tried to usurp the democratic process of the US. Well, if they choose to not mention him having sex with a porn star and sexually assaulting a woman.

Only if you read revisionist history books. After all, we need to change our history. Ask Ms. Obama.

 

[Aldebaran]

That's one thing. There aren't any others needed. Why don't you understand this?

You should read entire posts so you will understand it yourself.

 

[stevevw]

That's one thing. There aren't any others needed. Why don't you understand this?

I understand that their only motivation is they hate Trump. But thats not a good reason to choose the alternative. Its based on feelings and not reality.