Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

[essentialsaltes]

So much for the argument I keep hearing that Planned Parenthood isn't about abortions.

It's not only 'about' abortions.

 

[Aldebaran]

It's not only 'about' abortions.

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Did you read the link you put at the end of YOUR post? It sure mentions the word "abortion" quite a few times for a place that supposedly isn't focused on abortions. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/05/us/planned-parenthood-illinois-mobile-abortion-clinic/index.html

 

[Bradskii]

Did you read the link you put at the end of YOUR post? It sure mentions the word "abortion" quite a few times for a place that supposedly isn't focused on abortions. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/05/us/planned-parenthood-illinois-mobile-abortion-clinic/index.html

Some people talk a lot about sharks and batteries, but that's not what the Republican party is about.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Did you read the link you put at the end of YOUR post? It sure mentions the word "abortion" quite a few times for a place that supposedly isn't focused on abortions. https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/05/us/planned-parenthood-illinois-mobile-abortion-clinic/index.html

Burdensome state regulation has interfered with free trade in one specific product, and the invisible hand has acted to adjust that specific market.

If and when the Missouri GOP bans contraception statewide, no doubt PP will also respond in a free market fashion to make that market more efficient as well, and the article about it will mention the word 'contraception' quite a few times.

 

[stevevw]

Minus the whole plot to steal the election he lost.

But yeah, his replacement for the ACA is terrific. Mexico paid for the wall. And who could forget infrastructure week?

Give me a break. This hyper fixation on what Trump says as an individual because people are so fixated on everything he says and does is rediculous. If we go back through the records and fixate on all the times each part has claimed to be fixing infrastructure and failed to backup their promises the list would be never ending.

The fact that there is such a thing called infrastructure week is born out of the fact that infrastructure in the US has been neglected for decades by both parties. The fact that infrastructure has been neglected means both parties have made promises about infrastructure and reneged on them.

As for the wall the whole issue of needing a wall is because of the Lefts radical open border policy. They havn't even go a policy on walls, or any way to stop the mass immigration including unknowns who are extremists being allowed into the US. In fact we can expect much more of the same and as we have seen in Europe and England this leads to mass unreast, riots and violence. Thats what we can expect from the Left if they get into power.

Neverf mind about the plot to steal the election what about the ongoing plot by the Left to use lawfare to take the opposition out and gaslighting of the nation about the health of the current US president who if not able to be a candidate for the 2024 presidency and should not be the US president right now.

What about the denial of the democractic process in vetting their own candidates to steal away voters rights and to steal the election. What about the lies the Left is pushing along with their chronie media manipulating headlines and the narrative about Harris to steal the election.

What aout the Left pushing divisive DEI ideology which has lead to civil unrest such as the BLM riots which make the capital protest look like a walk in the park and the continued division and violence such as anti semetism in our very institutions as a result. The resulting lawfare in relentlessly persuing anyone associated with Trump while excusing the BLM rioters including efforts by Harris herself. Which then only leads to furtther division and identity politics.

Pig slop is pig slop even when you serve it on a silver platter of Woke DEI.

 

[Bradskii]

Neverf mind about the plot to steal the election...

Never mind? Never mind the plot to steal the election?

No, we will not let this be the new normal. This isn't to be pushed to one side. This is not to be forgotten. This is not to be forgiven. This will always be remembered. Especially by the Republican Party. Because it's the main reason they will lose this election. It's the main reason why they will need to rebuild.

 

[stevevw]

I ran quickly through the rest of your post. And I appreciate you spending the time to present what you seem to honestly think. But we're in different realities.

Different realities is an interesting way to put it. I assume you mean your reality is the only reality and the opposition think the same. Its interesting that a political election is about reality itself. That seems to imply that politics has morphed well beyond what it is suppose to represent. That politics has moved into the private, the belief sphere, the moral sphere.

I think the reason that this has happened is telling. Telling of the nature of where society is at. Telling that politically people are now willing to not only win an election but destroy the opposition completely. The extreme symptom of this is the rise of antisemetism within our very institutions to the point where they are willing to overlook this in the name of political identity rights.

I'm not employing hyperbole when I describe Trump as the worst possible candidate for president that I have seen. To be honest, and again, this isn't hyperbole, a few short years ago I could not have imagined that a person like him could be in the running.

It is hyperbole in that when Trump was actually in power nothing like "the worst possible candidate for preseident" was realised. He did nothing as to what the majority of people agreed with on the Right. You can tell the Left are fixated on Trump. If you were to research the words and narratives associated with Trump by the Left and its media you will find that its obsession reaches derangement levels.

As mentioned above politics has become personal and ideological. Its well beyond the normal political sphere. The fact that Trump was near assissinated is evidence of this. Many on the Left at the extreme ends were hoping it happened. I think many more secretly wanted it to be so. The level of vitriole out there for Trump is reaching fever pitch.

But that is not to say that the Right are not doing the same in their own way. Its that politics generally has reached this level and has been cultivating for some time. Ideological differences to the point where its a matter of life or death. I think primarily its the Left who have cultivated this to oppose the Rights ideological position.

That cultivation has emerge through Woke identity politics, an alternative ideology that conflicts with the more Conservative and traditionalist ideology. So politics has been made an ideological belief like a religious belief and like religion people will become extreme to the point of actually wanting to destroy opposing views and the people that represent them.

This has ceased to be about politics as I've known it in my decades following UK, Australian and US politics. This is beyond anything I could have ever imagined a couple of decades ago. People that I considered to be the absolute pits when it came to character and honesty and honour in the political arena now seem to be a minor road bump en route to Trump. The frog has been boiling for quite a few years and I think it's time to turn of the gas and reassess where we want to be.

Where we are now surely isn't it. We must agree on this.

Yes and I said more of less the same thing above before even reading this section. Regardless of which side of politics you are one we have to agree that politics has got to a point where its more than politics. Its personal and ideological now.

I think theres a quiet sector who are just wondering whats going on especially those who have lived through decades of politics. But they are also the ones who can trace how this has happened. The rise of Woke identity politics. You can go back and look at research and surveys that track this change. Surveys showing the majority disagreed with the new PC and Cancel Culture that was emerging. That was wiping out the truths they had known for decades that had sustained and made our society.

That has not changed and in fact has become worse. I agree made worse by the right reacting back against this PC politics with their own version of extremism. But thats what happens when we lose the middle. The extremes come to the centre and dominate.

The big question is how did we lose the middle.

 

[Bradskii]

It is hyperbole in that when Trump was actually in power nothing like "the worst possible candidate for preseident" was realised.

I'm not talking about policies. But about character. I can't speak for all countries, but I'm well acquainted with US, UK and Australian politics. And in the last 50 years, in my personal experience, there has never been anyone less suited to hold any political position. I really can't stress how genuine I am in saying that. He is without any doubt the worst there has been, with daylight coming second. Nobody else comes anywhere close.

His policies, with which I disagree almost 100%, don't even come into it. If I agreed with every one, and I was a US citizen, I would fight tooth and nail to stop him.

 

[Hammster]

Burdensome state regulation has interfered with free trade in one specific product, and the invisible hand has acted to adjust that specific market.

If and when the Missouri GOP bans contraception statewide, no doubt PP will also respond in a free market fashion to make that market more efficient as well, and the article about it will mention the word 'contraception' quite a few times.

Killing babies is a product now. Shame.

 

[stevevw]

I guess my prompt to 'engage in debate' fell on fallow ground. C'est la vie.

I am not sure about that. It seems the poster is cutting to the core issues one being abortion as representative of what each side stands for. There is a stark difference in positions on abortion.

If the Lefts position overall is representative of their position on core issues like abortion then we can derive their ideological positions overall which is in conflict with conservative core beliefs.

So making a statement about the Lefts core position on abortion is itself cutting to the crux of the matter and therefore requires a debate on that issue as it goes right to the heart of the difference in ideological positions.

But rather some want to dismiss these claims as irrelevant and not worth debating. I am sure the issue of abortion will come up in the presidential debate. So it makes sense that we should go through each of these core issues as voters to understand the full implications of what these positions represent for society going forward.

 

[stevevw]

I'm not talking about policies. But about character. I can't speak for all countries, but I'm well acquainted with US, UK and Australian politics. And in the last 50 years, in my personal experience, there has never been anyone less suited to hold any political position. I really can't stress how genuine I am in saying that. He is without any doubt the worst there has been, with daylight coming second. Nobody else comes anywhere close.

His policies, with which I disagree almost 100%, don't even come into it. If I agreed with every one, and I was a US citizen, I would fight tooth and nail to stop him.

You say that policies don't come into it and yet that is really the only way we can tell what each party will be like, what their policies will represent for society and the nation.

So how can you say on the one hand say "His policies, with which I disagree almost 100%, don't even come into it" and yet on the other say you disagree with those policies 100 %.

The policies are what at the end of the day should be how we determine the best candidate. Otherwise it then comes down to subjective feelings and beliefs and we know the Left is good at all identity and little substance on policy. In fact the evidence on the core issues like the economy and national security is bad. So it makes sense that the Left don't want to talk about the details of policiy and their record.

At present we have seen Harris's popularity rise from Bidens. Yet she has given no policy position. So what does that tell us. That the popularity is not based in fact, in the practical job of government but instead personality, identity and feel good factors. Which we know is a poor basis for determining the reality of what a government will represent when in power.

In other words its PC and not policy. That is not a good basis for electing a president.

You may say that you honestly believe that Trump is the wrong person for the job. But what do you say to the majority who say he is the right person. Moreso what do you say when those who think Trump is the right person but that its actually the Left and Harris who they believe 100% as not being the right people for government.

What we seem to have here is two opposite position both believing 100% they are on the right side.

 

[KCfromNC]

Give me a break. This hyper fixation on what Trump says as an individual because people are so fixated on everything he says and does is rediculous. If we go back through the records and fixate on all the times each part has claimed to be fixing infrastructure and failed to backup their promises the list would be never ending.

Is this a good time to talk about the Biden admin actually passing an infrastructure bill?

As for the wall the whole issue of needing a wall is because of the Lefts radical open border policy.

Which candidates are you alleging support open borders?

They havn't even go a policy on walls, or any way to stop the mass immigration including unknowns who are extremists being allowed into the US. In fact we can expect much more of the same and as we have seen in Europe and England this leads to mass unreast, riots and violence. Thats what we can expect from the Left if they get into power.

Lots of words trying to ignore that Trump failed to build his wall, not to mention get Mexico to pay for it.

Neverf mind about the plot to steal the election

No, thanks, I'll continue to remind people that Trump has been indicted on federal charges for his part in a conspiracy to overturn an election he lost.

 

[stevevw]

It's not only 'about' abortions.

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It would be interesting to find out what exactly emergency contraception is classed as whether contraception or abortion. The morning after pill would be quite common considering it could either be a contraception if not pregnant or an abortion is pregnant. I don't think those taking it want o know if they are pregnant as that would bring up issues they probably don't want to deal with.

I also think the education part can be damaging in promoting ideology rather than facts which would influence peoples beliefs and decisions about relationships, sex and abortion.

This relates to informed consent. The influence of big pharma on what information gets out there and the ideological slant of organisations like Planned Parenthood can give false and misleading information that can make the difference in being fully aware of the pros and cons of taking what basically is still an experimental drug.

It seems when it comes to sex and gender some medical professionals are willing to compromise on the safety and information that is available being biased or ignorant of all the facts and reality of these drugs and proceedures. For example the FDA and Planned Parenthood says chemical abortions are as safe as common headache pills when this is clearly not the case.

Its the same bias that gender professionals and the nation health body WPATH claimed about puberty blockers and hormone replacement chemicals in saying they were safe and reversible when they clearly were not.

 

[Hammster]

For example the FDA and Planned Parenthood says chemical abortions are as safe as common headache pills when this is clearly not the case.

Certainly not for the baby.

 

[NxNW]

It would be interesting to find out what exactly emergency contraception is classed as whether contraception or abortion. The morning after pill would be quite common considering it could either be a contraception if not pregnant or an abortion is pregnant.

The morning after pill does not cause abortions.

 

[NxNW]

Certainly not for the baby.

No baby is involved. At that stage you have a handful of cells.

 

[Hammster]

No baby is involved. At that stage you have a handful of cells.

Don’t post evil things.

 

[NxNW]

Don’t post evil things.

Rest assured.

 

[stevevw]

Is this a good time to talk about the Biden admin actually passing an infrastructure bill?

OK well we will just have to wait and see as we find with many of these Bills that they get passed but never really come to fruition. Evidently only around 5% of the allocated money will go to traditional infrastructure like roads and bridges. So who knows where the rest will go. Knowing big government its like red tape and wasted green projects.

Which candidates are you alleging support open borders?

The ones who have allowed millions to cross the borders without any regulations or proper checks. Its easy to work out. Harris was given the job of border zcar and since then more than 10 million people as well as around 2 million unknowns lost to the system have entered the US.

Thats over 12 million people, half the population of Australia. Thats an open border policy plain and simple. Compare this to around 2 million under Trump.

Lots of words trying to ignore that Trump failed to build his wall, not to mention get Mexico to pay for it.

Yeah he probably needed more time remembering that most governments promise a lot but rarely deliver. But the fact is wall or no wall illegal immigration was well down under his watch. Thats because his government had the resolve to actually be firm and deal with the problem.

We didn;t even get an admission that there wasd a problem let along deal with it. Thats why illegal immigration went up over 5 times as much under the Biden/Harris administration.

So you want to complain about Trump not doing a particular thing regarding the immigration problem while he actually was doing something that was already much better than the Left who havn't done nothing. I know which government I would be choosing, the one that actually shows they are dealing with it regardless of whats said.

No, thanks, I'll continue to remind people that Trump has been indicted on federal charges for his part in a conspiracy to overturn an election he lost.

Has he been to court yet and found guilty. I thought it was innocent till proven guilty,

So I guess that means your going fpr more of the same, poor economy, mass illegal immigration and all its damaging consequences, conmtinues civil unrest and the decline of our institutions and democracy.

Oh well it may take another 4 years before people realise the chaos that the Lefts ideology will bring as we have already witnessed happening right now.

 

[Hammster]

Rest assured.

I’m not assured at all.