Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

[Hammster]

And I'll put this in a separate post so you don't miss it: Biden isn’t advertising America’s record oil boom

'For the last six years, America has outstripped Russia, Saudi Arabia, and other OPEC countries in crude oil production. And it has picked up the pace under Biden, who had approved more permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands by last October than former President Donald Trump had by the same point in his presidency.'

And I’ve said this before. A guy batting .250 is doing better than a guy batting .249

 

[Bradskii]

Theres no consideration that 'hey maybe the majority of people have good reasons to believe in Trump and they are not stupid afterall

Where I live, just the man's character would preclude him from running for even a local council position. Seriously. I could pick any of half a dozen things he's done or comments that he has made that would immediately rule him out. There is no doubt whatsoever that he'd be ridiculed for even attempting to run. But you want a guy like that to represent your country?

...claims about him that he would destroy democracy,

That you can make a comment like that is simply not credible. He is STILL lying to you that the last election was stolen. Dozens of court cases and umpteen investigations and he still brings it up in every speech. If that is not a threat to democracy, then what in heaven's name would be? I mean, the very centre of democracy in your country was broken into by a mob intent on preventing the vote from being certified.

What do you think would have happened if Pence had been willing to do what Trump asked? How much blood do you think would have been spilled in American streets if he had cheated his way into the White House?

You must be living in some alternative reality to me.

 

[Bradskii]

And I’ve said this before. A guy batting .250 is doing better than a guy batting .249

Just...what? That makes no sense. Again:

'Biden, who had approved more permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands by last October than former President Donald Trump had by the same point in his presidency.'

You said: 'More freedoms were given to oil companies to drill' and I have just proved that to be false.

The fact that oil companies were also reluctant to actually spend the money on setting up new and expensive drilling operations on those permits because people were cutting back on buying gas is probably lost on you as well. As is the fact that any increased drilling would add a bare 1% to total oil production even after the considerable lag time in starting up an operation and pumping the stuff out of the ground.

 

[Hammster]

Just...what? That makes no sense. Again:

'Biden, who had approved more permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands by last October than former President Donald Trump had by the same point in his presidency.'

You said: 'More freedoms were given to oil companies to drill' and I have just proved that to be false.

The fact that oil companies were also reluctant to actually spend the money on setting up new and expensive drilling operations on those permits because people were cutting back on buying gas is probably lost on you as well. As is the fact that any increased drilling would add a bare 1% to total oil production even after the considerable lag time in starting up an operation and pumping the stuff out of the ground.

So that explains it.

 

[Bradskii]

So that explains it.

Yes, it clearly does. It's why I posted it. With links, so you could see where the information comes from.

And your lack of any reasonable argument against it coupled with a complete lack of evidence for whatever it is you are claiming also leads to the same conclusion.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Thats strange because the reality, what actually happened when Trump was president was nothing like the Left claims about him that he would destroy democracy

Dude tried to steal an election.

I gladly concede that he wasn't as bad as some predicted, but that, by itself, is pretty bad.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Check out his own lieutenant governor:”

She was elected by the people of Minnesota. I don't know that she's particularly 'his' other than that they work together and are from the same party.

 

[Hammster]

She was elected by the people of Minnesota. I don't know that she's particularly 'his' other than that they work together and are from the same party.

I think you missed the point of the quote.

 

[stevevw]

Where I live, just the man's character would preclude him from running for even a local council position. Seriously. I could pick any of half a dozen things he's done or comments that he has made that would immediately rule him out. There is no doubt whatsoever that he'd be ridiculed for even attempting to run. But you want a guy like that to represent your country?

Well he's there as a candidate and he is the only candidate that has had experience as being president and he seems to have done at least a reasonable job at that. I think thats enough credientials to be president.

Whereas Harris was rejected by her own part for the presidential candidates in 2020, Was still not regarded as top pick as VP, was never vetted through the democratic process within her own party but hand picked by some elites and has no substance, principles or clear policies as yet. So is less qualified and not even the best the Left has let alone be qualified as president.

What we do know about her position is radical and unrealistic. Harris own party lied about Biden including Harris gaslighting the public and is now lying about Harris's position as a moderate and backflipping on her own words. How can you trust a party thats willing to gaslight and lie to the people. How can people support Harris right now when they don't even know what she stands for.

With all her flip flopping who knows what radical ideas she will bring in. With her parties poor economic spending and the very few election promises she has made which as unreal and will destroy the economy how can people trust the Left.

That you can make a comment like that is simply not credible. He is STILL lying to you that the last election was stolen. Dozens of court cases and umpteen investigations and he still brings it up in every speech. If that is not a threat to democracy, then what in heaven's name would be? I mean, the very centre of democracy in your country was broken into by a mob intent on preventing the vote from being certified.

Still when actually in government and he was not a threat to democracy. But never mind Trump the Left are already side stepping democracy within their own party let alone the nation. If the Left cannot even abide by their own core principle of democracy how can we expect them to respect democracy for the nation.

Its all about what actually happens and not the words spoken. In reality and practice its the Left who claim Trump is a threat to democracy but are actually the ones who threaten democracy.

What do you think would have happened if Pence had been willing to do what Trump asked? How much blood do you think would have been spilled in American streets if he had cheated his way into the White House?

You must be living in some alternative reality to me.

You means the majority of people must be living in a different universe to you. Obviously they don't agree and think Trump despite his crazy outbursts is still the best candidate.

The Left are no angles in manipulating results and have also disputed elections. But at the end of the day its the policies that matter and most people believe the Lefts policies have been bad for the US economically, with immigration and border security putting US citizens at risk, and the extreme ideology the Left has been pushing which after years now is being exposed as dangerous and divisive.

These are the facts and actual acts that have happened and not the words written by some politicians. What has actually been done by the Left andf the damage it has caused.

Both parties at present are bad and I can't understand how the US can end up in a situation where they can only come up with these choices. I would not vote for either party to be honest.

 

[Larniavc]

Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

Ladies and gentlemen (and I do mean ladies and gentlemen), did you know that marrying your college sweetheart, settling down in Ohio, and having three kids is weird? That's what I keep hearing about JD Vance.

notthebee.com

Oh my. But I’m sure there are Christians who won’t find fault with any of this.

The big difference between trans kids and white or Christian kids is that no one is out to use the law to disenfranchise the latter.

 

[Larniavc]

But the left would never judge someone by those they associate with, right (I won't mention a certain someone that this thread is not about so as to not derail it).

I would. If one associates with child sex traffickers one is clearly disreputable.

 

[Hammster]

The big difference between trans kids and white or Christian kids is that no one is out to use the law to disenfranchise the latter.

You think that’s the difference?

 

[stevevw]

Dude tried to steal an election.

I gladly concede that he wasn't as bad as some predicted, but that, by itself, is pretty bad.

Well at the end of the day it seems most people don't see that as a big issue. Maybe they believe deep down that the Left is just as guilty except they do it in more unhanded ways.

I mean they bypassed the democraic process in choosing their own presidential candidate. A process that allows people to vet the candidates on policy and merit. The last time Harris went through that process she was badly defeated. Since then she has shown nothing.

Yet the Left is willing to overlook all that and a few elites decided for everyone else. They gaslight the nation about Biden and still are and now they are lying about Harris.

This is actual fact and is happening as opposed to rhetoric about Trump. So both parties are as pab as each other. So I guess it comes down to policy hopefulling for which I think Trump would win hands down.

But as we know the Left they are good at recreating the narrative and hoodwinking the nation and may end up fooling everyone as they have done so far. But I am not sure as we have had quite a few years of Leftist policies now and the cracks have been appearing exposing the unreality between their words and what is actually happening. I think people may be waking up to the damage thats been done.

So maybe its not a case that people are choosing Trump but that they may not want more of the same from the Left and will put aside the personal issues.

 

[Bradskii]

Well he's there as a candidate and he is the only candidate that has had experience as being president...

I ran quickly through the rest of your post. And I appreciate you spending the time to present what you seem to honestly think. But we're in different realities.

I'm not employing hyperbole when I describe Trump as the worst possible candidate for president that I have seen. To be honest, and again, this isn't hyperbole, a few short years ago I could not have imagined that a person like him could be in the running.

This has ceased to be about politics as I've known it in my decades following UK, Australian and US politics. This is beyond anything I could have ever imagined a couple of decades ago. People that I considered to be the absolute pits when it came to character and honesty and honour in the political arena now seem to be a minor road bump en route to Trump. The frog has been boiling for quite a few years and I think it's time to turn of the gas and reassess where we want to be.

Where we are now surely isn't it. We must agree on this.

 

[KCfromNC]

Well he's there as a candidate and he is the only candidate that has had experience as being president and he seems to have done at least a reasonable job at that.

Minus the whole plot to steal the election he lost.

But yeah, his replacement for the ACA is terrific. Mexico paid for the wall. And who could forget infrastructure week?

 

[Larniavc]

I’m wondering if the Left thinks Walz is moderate, what or who would they consider to be left of him?

From a UK perspective he’s centerist.

 

[Larniavc]

Desperate for what?

The moment has turned very much from Mr Trump. He’s whining about him actually being more attractive than Mrs Harris and claiming to like Mr and Mrs Obama and his followers are proud of carrying around pretend pots of Mr Vance’s sperm while she’s riding a wave of popularity.

Mr Trump knows his time is short and so do his followers.

 

[Hammster]

From a UK perspective he’s centerist.

Thats pretty sad.

 

[Bradskii]

From a UK perspective he’s centerist.

From an Australian viewpoint...slightly left of centre. We obviously have representatives from small town Australia here (the heartland?) but they are generally on the conservative side. I just listened to his speech at the convention. It was light on policy (it wasn't the time for that) but I found myself thinking 'Gee, I hope he has policies that I like because I really like this guy!' His speech was...outstanding.

The fact that he does have policies with which I agree makes him a shoe in as far as I'm concerned. I wish we had a few more like him down here.

I was going to say that the GOP should be worried with him on the ticket. But it's not the Republican Party that's going to lose. It's Trump that's going to lose. The GOP will recover. Soon, I hope.

 

[Bradskii]

...carrying around pretend pots of Mr Vance’s sperm...

I'm having dinner. Please...