Can Christians Still Support Trump after the Guilty Verdict?

[Akita Suggagaki]

See above.

Nothing to see.

 

[Brihaha]

Which is??? Being strong enough to expose corruption. To not vote for Trump is to accept a corrupt system of justice that has been exposed in this country. Neither side should accept this.

Trump certainly exposes his corruption nowadays. I definitely believe him. The man has exploited our corrupt system to his advantage for a great long while. A gambler like him was bound to lose sometime. Which is another reason why the man is completely unfit for office. He would only pervert our system worse in order to avoid accountability altogether. Especially now that he has been "touched" with his felony criminal convictions. How folks choose to overlook these facts are totally beyond comprehension. Trump is a fascinating phenomenon. So was Jim Jones and Charles Manson.

 

[Postvieww]

I am patiently optimistic there's enough time left for a remedy. I don't want to vote for Joe Biden either. I'm waiting for a decent republican to emerge as someone worthy of our vote. This is another reason Donald Trump is still counterproductive for America. Qualified republicans are too terrified to offer us an alternative. And Biden is acting like an obstinate child for not stepping aside for the good of our nation. Wouldn't it be funny if the third party candidate won and showed both parties how silly they've been behaving? Well, it might be funnier if that present candidate was a bit more fit for the office. I'd love to vote third party again but Kennedy might be worse than both the others. We're in a pickle but it will work out either way. Gloria Gaynor taught me that I will survive haha.

You informed me that Christians read their Bibles well then Christians should know that those in authority are ordained by God. And yes He sometimes allows an evil leader not the paragon of righteousness to lead a nation. Sometimes God's first choice is installed and sometimes He allows our choice to be installed for his purposes. Those that read their Bibles can easily see this is true.

I believe Trump was God's choice in 2016 and in 2020 but for reasons that should be obvious now to a decerning Christian Biden was ALLOWED to be installed. That is my opinion and sincere belief. I also believe Trump is God's choice for 2024. Let's see if the our nation does as did Israel of the Old Testament and reject's God's plan to save a floundering nation. That is my heartfelt opinion and I can prove from scripture what I have said about leaders good and bad for nations.

 

[Postvieww]

"Christianity"? But which version? Which emphasis? Because his version, his emphasis is very problematic.
Sure, he gives lip service sometimes on the abortion issue. And anything that can be used to condemn others, he is on board with that.

But what about care or the poor and vulnerable? What about repentance? What about keeping your word? What about taking the log from his own eye? How about do not swear?

All humans are flawed and one does not have meet your criteria to be God's choice. Tell me what has Biden done to support Christianity?

 

[BCP1928]

All humans are flawed and one does not have meet your criteria to be God's choice. Tell me what has Biden done to support Christianity?

Nothing, one hopes. Supporting Christianity is not the President's job. In fact it would be a violation of his duty to the Constitution.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I never even said whether it was “ok”, or not. I just explained the difference.

For the sake of discussion though, even if it wasn’t, shouldn’t that just be a good reason to not let something like that happen again? We can’t change the past but we can shape the future.

Well, now we get to talk about the difference between these two scenarios. In one, land was taken, the native inhabitants were slaughtered, and it was a literal invasion. In the other we are talking about people who are coming and contributing to the general society they are entering into through their own labor. There's no invasion, no slaughter.

I simply do not accept the false narrative and the lies that would have me demonize and dehumanize people simply because they want to come work and provide for their families.

For the same reason that I've always been more concerned with the potential of domestic terrorism, not foreign terrorism; I'm more concerned with the violent conduct of people who live here, not with delusional fantasies of hypothetical violence from immigrants.

A guy who open carries in a grocery store is always going to be far more concerning to me than a family of immigrants.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

All humans are flawed and one does not have meet your criteria to be God's choice. Tell me what has Biden done to support Christianity?

Biden hasn't tried to abuse the Christian religion for selfish and personal gain. That's certainly a lot more than could be said of Trump.

The best thing a politician can do for Christianity is to leave it alone and let Christianity just be Christianity.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Brihaha]

Something is wrong with the system when these are our only choices

I'm not convinced our system is the problem. I think the responsibility lies with the leadership we've installed in congress. And Donald Trump exacerbated the problem exponentially. Leaders have abandoned all principles in fealty. Their behavior seems to have no inhibitions now, however childishly they act. Because they have no accountability when voters reward poor behavior.

The bane of our system is our willingness to fall for the politicians' manipulation of tribalism. Dividing ourselves into tribal groups cuts our electoral power in half. We voters could implement term limits ourselves, if we could abandon tribalism for a spell. We could reap benefits from a productive government, if we could abandon tribalism for a spell. We could have community unity again all across America, if we could abandon tribalism for a spell. We could prioritize the health and well-being of our people and our country again, if we could abandon our tribalism for a spell. Americans make poor choices in the name of tribalism.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Trump has.

This, of course, is a lie.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[perplexed]

I am deeply ashamed to be self centered like Trump.
Trump is the opposite of what a Christian is
Trump is basically Satan,
There is little point in me saying this, you are sure I am brainwashed,

 

[ralliann]

I only see the justice system working by reinforcing that no one is above the law, including former presidents.

I don't. That is freedom of thought.

 

[ralliann]

"Christianity"? But which version? Which emphasis? Because his version, his emphasis is very problematic.

The free kind. Not the state Allowed one/s

Sure, he gives lip service sometimes on the abortion issue. And anything that can be used to condemn others, he is on board with that.

Abortion what about it? Letting the voters decide? Abortion has not been outlawed, the people are deciding. No matter what RELIGION, they subscribe to, or lack there of. Democratically, not something mandated by the court.

 

[ralliann]

I only see the justice system working by reinforcing that no one is above the law, including former presidents.

I see something different.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

All humans are flawed and one does not have meet your criteria to be God's choice. Tell me what has Biden done to support Christianity?

Whataboutism!

This thread is about Trump, not Biden.

 

[Postvieww]

Whataboutism!

This thread is about Trump, not Biden.

Ok , All Christians should support Trump because he is the best choice for this country. You cannot make your case that someone else is better because this thread is not about them . Four more years!!!!!

 

[Postvieww]

Abortion what about it?

It murders babies which is not a Christian virtue. I was told Christians read their Bibles.

 

[MrMoe]

Yeah, that's what tribalism does to folks' ability to reason.

I agree. I see a lot of "Vote blue no matter who!" Chants from left wingers on social media. A very tribalistic statement. But I don't see how looking at your options and choosing which one you thing is best is tribalism.

 

[MrMoe]

Biden hasn't tried to abuse the Christian religion for selfish and personal gain. That's certainly a lot more than could be said of Trump.

The best thing a politician can do for Christianity is to leave it alone and let Christianity just be Christianity.

-CryptoLutheran

You're right. He's only mocked and gone against his own Church's beliefs. He is considered a "Cafeteria Catholic" by Cardinal Wilton D Gregory, the archbishop of Washington.

Both men are lukewarm Christians at best.

 

[ralliann]

Ok , All Christians should support Trump because he is the best choice for this country. You cannot make your case that someone else is better because this thread is not about them . Four more years!!!!!

All Christians that believe in Separation of Church and state, should support Abortion going to the people to choose.

 

[ralliann]

It murders babies which is not a Christian virtue. I was told Christians read their Bibles.

And each voter is voting their conscience about that. Not some federal court. The reason it went to the court in the first place was because they did not have the people supporting it.