Israel-Hamas Thread II

[truthpls]

Anyone who has a passing familiarity with the tactics of hamas.

Blaming Hamas for offering no verification doesn't work.

 

[Desk trauma]

Actions speak louder than silly words.

Empty cliches are empty.

 

[Desk trauma]

Blaming Hamas for offering no verification doesn't work.

Good thing I didn’t.

 

[rjs330]

Then none of it can be believed. I would hardly call it a war. More of a collective punishment and moving in on territory.

I sure do not believe Israel when it killed 11000 people or so. Doctors in hospitals were saying Israel was attacking and causing sick people to die etc. Do we discount all doctors also?

How does one measure 'moral equivalence' between terrorists?

Cause Israel is not a terrorist organization.
Wow this kind of nonsense doesn't even deserve a response.

 

[rjs330]

You brought it up. Israel killed a lot more children. Does that count?

That's Hamas' fault. Every single death. If they would have surrendered none of this would have happened. But they are the ones that threw the kids in front of the bus.

 

[truthpls]

Empty cliches are empty.

The action by Israel of attacking a highly populated area speaks louder than words

 

[truthpls]

Good thing I didn’t.

So you want verification?

 

[truthpls]

Cause Israel is not a terrorist organization.
Wow this kind of nonsense doesn't even deserve a response.

Anyone attacking a highly populated area and mass murdering children is a terrorist. The same goes for an organization or nation.

 

[truthpls]

That's Hamas' fault. Every single death. If they would have surrendered none of this would have happened. But they are the ones that threw the kids in front of the bus.

Surrender was never a realistic option or possibility. Certainly not an excuse to destroy a tremendous number of children.

 

[Desk trauma]

So you want verification?

From hamas? No, thanks, all full up on lies from barbarians.

 

[truthpls]

From hamas? No, thanks, all full up on lies from barbarians.

Doctors, nurses, or citizens of Gaza?

 

[Vanellus]

See what CNN reporter saw inside hospital basement in Gaza

This is an eight minute video from CNN. I believe it is very informative. At the 4:30 time stamp in the video, the CNN reporter is escorted to, and then into a hospital in Gaza.

One needs to be aware that the output by embedded journalists like this one is filtered and censored by the IDF.

 

[Vambram]

One needs to be aware that the output by embedded journalists like this one is filtered and censored by the IDF.

CNN claims that this video was not filtered or censored by the IDF.

 

[Vambram]

Anyone attacking a highly populated area and mass murdering children is a terrorist. The same goes for an organization or nation.

Should those same rules have been applied in WWII when allied forces were bombing German and Japanese cities? Unfortunately, there were many children who died during those bombings as well.

 

[rjs330]

Do you know what 'akin' means?

"Most of the bombing was carried out by U.S. Air Force (USAF) B-52 bombers. While the effectiveness of the bombing and the number of Cambodians killed by U.S. bombing remains in dispute, civilian fatalities were easily in the tens of thousands.[11]"

Operation Freedom Deal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A carpet bombing operation by the US killed tens of thousands. Israel has killed over 11,000 so far and the toll is rising fast. So I see that as similar indiscreet attacking of civilians. Technically we would use another word, but to get the idea across, using the phrase akin to carpet bombing suffices. Add to that TARGETING apartment buildings, fleeing convoys, hospitals, and displacing a major population, and cutting of water and necessities, and the only word that fits is TERRORISM.

Yeah you had to look that up didn't you. You don't know what carpet bombing is simply because you accuse Israel of doing something similar. Because Israel did not indiscreetly bomb civilians. They tried to save them. Hamas is guilty of every single death.

 

[rjs330]

would hardly call it a war.

Oh? What do you call a war?

Add to that TARGETING apartment buildings, fleeing convoys, hospitals, and displacing a major population, and cutting of water and necessities, and the only word that fits is TERRORISM.

Gee that's what happens in war. Didn't you know that. Israel has been under attack for years and then suffered the murder of 1200 of it's civilians by the same terrorist organization and then went to war against them. These are the things that happen when trying to defeat the enemy. Good countries try to prevent civilian losses which is what Israel did. Evil terrorists try to create civilian loses and that's what they did by preventing people from leaving.

These are legitimate and legal war tactics. Supported by international law. Hamas however has broken international law by harboring among civilians, using them as shields, preventing their escape from a war zone, using hospitals, schools as bases and attack positions utilizing ambulances to move their little evil terrorists around.

 

[rjs330]

Anyone attacking a highly populated area and mass murdering children is a terrorist. The same goes for an organization or nation.

It's a good thing Israel didn't do that then.

 

[rjs330]

Surrender was never a realistic option or possibility. Certainly not an excuse to destroy a tremendous number of children.

Sure it was. All they had to do was walk out of their tunnels and wave the white flags. Your just making excuses for terrorists now.

 

[wing2000]

The problem for the IDF here is that an attack on the hospital can only be justified if Hamas were using the hospital at the time of the Israeli attack and the hospital has been hit by the Israelis e.g.

Shelling at Gaza's Al-Shifa Hospital: Evidence points to Israeli responsibility



https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2283348547531

The "shelling" occured 1 week ago (wounding a couple of men). It appears to be single object that fell and was not followed by other rounds...suggesting that it was likely a mistake.

When Israel moved troops into the hospital complex over the last 48 hours they reportedly engaged fighters at the entrance. Otherwise, there was no attack on the hospital itself or inside the buildings.
Israel had intel. They acted on it as any army would.

 

[truthpls]

Should those same rules have been applied in WWII when allied forces were bombing German and Japanese cities? Unfortunately, there were many children who died during those bombings as well.

Yes. Targeting people is a crime as far as I am concerned. But the current terrorism in Gaza shows a level of cruelty that stands out as extreme in the targeting civilians that targets hospitals and ambulances and children and fleeing convoys etc.