Should all Christians support Uganda's newest anti LGBTQ+ legislation?

[Hans Blaster]

Why in the world would you be on a christian forum if that is true?
That's weird. The man doesn't want to talk about spiritual issues or God but he came to the christian site anyway...

So why is that?

Pseudoscience. I hunt pseudoscience.

 

[Divide]

Pseudoscience. I hunt pseudoscience.

WHy don't I believe your answer? I could believe that you're really rich easier than that.

 

[Hans Blaster]

WHy don't I believe your answer? I could believe that you're really rich easier than that.

The pseudoscience money is in scamming people, not in debunking.

And I first found this site following one long thread about some nonsense known as the "electric universe" to another long thread on the CF P&LS board. The conversation seemed interesting so I stayed. Eventually I started discussing politics, particularly where science intersected with politics.

 

[Divide]

The pseudoscience money is in scamming people, not in debunking.

So your saying that the gays are here to scam the christians? and make money at it somehow also?

You have to be because gender scientific determinations are made very very easily and it is real biological science. Yes, this one has the apparatus of a boy, that one a girl.

So you have painted gays as scammers, liars and against real science and doctors and against God Himself by what you have said. Who else brings the psuedoscience, lol.

 

[Divide]

And I first found this site following one long thread about some nonsense known as the "electric universe" to another long thread on the CF P&LS board. The conversation seemed interesting so I stayed. Eventually I started discussing politics, particularly where science intersected with politics.

So you say that you are not gay and do not believe in any God, but you came to the christian forum and picked up the Torch of the gays in defense of them for no apparent reason. Does that not sound just a wee bit strange to you?

Well I just happened by and so I stayed? Well you're entertaining at least, lol. But it's still spooky.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So your saying that the gays are here to scam the christians? and make money at it somehow also?

You have to be because gender scientific determinations are made very very easily and it is real biological science. Yes, this one has the apparatus of a boy, that one a girl.

So you have painted gays as scammers, liars and against real science and doctors and against God Himself by what you have said. Who else brings the psuedoscience, lol.

No, I'm saying I can't get rich debunking. Pushing pseudoscience is the way to make money. But this is only tangentially related to the conversation because I mentioned why I came here. It has nothing to do with Uganda or this whole "gay debate" thing. (Or god.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

So you say that you are not gay and do not believe in any God,

That is correct.

but you came to the christian forum and picked up the Torch of the gays in defense of them for no apparent reason.

Did you not read what I wrote. I came by because of nonsense pseudo-astronomy. I stayed for the conversation. Later I started participating in the politics sections. Even in the politics section I tend to stay out until there is a demonstrable factual error to correct. In this thread someone posted a ridiculous claim about past penalties for homosexuality in the US.

Does that not sound just a wee bit strange to you?

In addition to "false facts" I don't like bullies. I see a lot of that here, especially about gay people. I'd rather talk about other political issues, but the local right wingers are obsessed with LGBT people and keep creating threads or diverting other threads to those specific topics of their culture war.

Well I just happened by and so I stayed? Well you're entertaining at least, lol.

I wish I found you entertaining.

But it's still spooky.

Yeah, that's the word, not entertaining, spooky.

 

[BeyondET]

You have to be because gender scientific determinations are made very very easily and it is real biological science. Yes, this one has the apparatus of a boy, that one a girl.

So you have painted gays as scammers, liars and against real science and doctors and against God Himself by what you have said. Who else brings the psuedoscience, lol.

And if one has both apparatuses then what?

Is Hermaphroditism a scam?

 

[BeyondET]

So you say that you are not gay and do not believe in any God, but you came to the christian forum and picked up the Torch of the gays in defense of them for no apparent reason. Does that not sound just a wee bit strange to you?

Well I just happened by and so I stayed? Well you're entertaining at least, lol. But it's still spooky.

Spooky not at all, God works in mysterious ways.

 

[Paidiske]

So your saying that the gays are here to scam the christians? and make money at it somehow also?

Actually, if anyone is trying to make money out of pseudoscientific nonsense on this issue, it's people selling varioius forms of conversion therapy (and related materials).

You have to be because gender scientific determinations are made very very easily and it is real biological science. Yes, this one has the apparatus of a boy, that one a girl.

You appear to have confused sexual orientation and gender identity.

@Hans Blaster, I appreciate your contributions, to this thread and CF more generally.

On topic: no, Christians absolutely should not support tyranny and injustice, by the government of Uganda or anyone else.

 

[mindlight]

The rate of divorce (# of divorces per 1000 population) peaked at ~23 per 1000 married women in the 1980s - it's still higher now (~20 per 1000 married women) than it was in the 1950s, but it has improved. (Source)

The increase in divorce can be generally attributed to a couple factors, mainly centered around the empowerment of women. First, the widespread institution of no-fault divorce laws in the 1960s and 1970s. Second, a major push towards societal equality. With women receiving legal protections in the workplace and the right to open their own bank accounts (seriously, banks could refuse to allow a woman to open her own account until 1974!), they generally felt much more secure in their ability to support themselves.

So you agree that divorce has increased as a result of the 'liberations' and after an early explosion to truly catastrophic levels has now stabilized at merely awful.

The abortion rate has fallen significantly and steadily since 1980. There have been a couple of upward ticks (most notably around 2008 and currently), but those are most likely related to economic uncertainty (Source).

Ditto.

Has there actually been an increase in the number of mentally ill people, or have we just gotten better at identifying and diagnosing mental illness? Similarly, are there actually more people struggling with their sexual identity, or are they just more willing to be open about their struggles as the social stigmas have been eroded?

If you go to African countries these questions are not even being asked. The West has opened a can of worms here and much of the questioning is prompted by an unhealthy diet of media propaganda, misleading sex education that often affirms deviance and a growing confusion in the younger generations that has resulted from the proclamations and actions of their parents.

Levels of substance abuse, clinical depression, schizophrenia and the incidence of mental disorders diagnosed all indicate a growing problem

Are Mental Health Issues Increasing?

According to the World Health Organisation (WHO), mental health conditions are increasing worldwide.

www.news-medical.net

Is youth mental health getting better or worse?

There's growing concern about the mental health of children and young people in the UK. But is it really getting worse, and what are the factors affecting it?

www.actionforchildren.org.uk

 

[Whyayeman]

If you go to African countries these questions are not even being asked. The West has opened a can of worms here and much of the questioning is prompted by an unhealthy diet of media propaganda, misleading sex education that often affirms deviance and a growing confusion in the younger generations that has resulted from the proclamations and actions of their parents.

Levels of substance abuse, clinical depression, schizophrenia and the incidence of mental disorders diagnosed all indicate a growing problem

In my opinion modern sex education acknowledges diversity. Older versions of sex education suppressed knowledge of diversity, a negation of education.

I am not sure how the mental health problems mentioned here are connected to the issue here.

 

[Divide]

And if one has both apparatuses then what?

Is Hermaphroditism a scam?

How am I supposed to know anything about that? Are you implying that that cindition is some sort of proof that being gay is ok? Because that would seem like a weird connection to make.

I'm not a doctor and I've never played one on TV.

 

[mindlight]

In my opinion modern sex education acknowledges diversity. Older versions of sex education suppressed knowledge of diversity, a negation of education.

I am not sure how the mental health problems mentioned here are connected to the issue here.

I used to teach religions and made an effort to be honest as to what each one taught. Sex education that just defined alternative lifestyles is one thing but it goes further than that, affirming whatever choice people make for themselves and giving advice about how to pursue those lifestyles.

The rising tide of mental health issues is a direct result of the sexual liberation ethos of which this thread is symptomatic. Maybe Uganda is not really dealing with this issue in an honest and open way but they recognize the problem with simply giving into the gay lobby.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

So you agree that divorce has increased as a result of the 'liberations' and after an early explosion to truly catastrophic levels has now stabilized at merely awful.

Ditto.

I don't see what women being able to open bank accounts, not get fired for being women, or divorce their husbands without having to definitively prove fault has to do with "obsessive discussion of sex and sexual identity". Likewise, the increase in the abortion rate was because abortion was legalized, not because people were evangelizing about sex. There will always be a percentage of people dissatisfied with their marriages, and there will always be a percentage of women who become pregnant when they don't want a child.

And it seemed to me that you were saying that things are getting worse when they clearly aren't.

If you go to African countries these questions are not even being asked.

That doesn't indicate that there is no problem with those things in Africa, it just means that they don't talk about them (except to condemn them) - much like things were here in the West until ~40-50 years ago.

The West has opened a can of worms here and much of the questioning is prompted by an unhealthy diet of media propaganda, misleading sex education that often affirms deviance and a growing confusion in the younger generations that has resulted from the proclamations and actions of their parents.

Levels of substance abuse, clinical depression, schizophrenia and the incidence of mental disorders diagnosed all indicate a growing problem

Again, it's not really clear if we're seeing an increase or if we've just gotten better at diagnosing these conditions. And even if we are seeing an increase, it would still be a major stretch to pin that on open discussion of gender and sexuality rather than any of the far larger, more widely-impactful stressors facing modern society (economic uncertainty, climate concerns, the pandemic, etc).

 

[Whyayeman]

I used to teach religions and made an effort to be honest as to what each one taught. Sex education that just defined alternative lifestyles is one thing but it goes further than that, affirming whatever choice people make for themselves and giving advice about how to pursue those lifestyles.

The rising tide of mental health issues is a direct result of the sexual liberation ethos of which this thread is symptomatic. Maybe Uganda is not really dealing with this issue in an honest and open way but they recognize the problem with simply giving into the gay lobby.

Let me politely disagree.

If the diversity of religion is worthy of respect why not diversity of sexual orientation? It seems to me that the main resistance to sexual diversity comes from those with a rather particular religious approach. Almost everybody else seems more accepting of such diversity.

I imagine that a Religious Education teacher who believed that homosexuality was 'deviant' would find it difficult to present a balanced view if asked to teach sex education.

 

[BeyondET]

How am I supposed to know anything about that? Are you implying that that cindition is some sort of proof that being gay is ok? Because that would seem like a weird connection to make.

I'm not a doctor and I've never played one on TV.

You are not a doctor yet you know its so very very easy to determine male or female just look at the apparatus. You not good at playing doctor online either.

 

[Divide]

You are not a doctor yet you know its so very very easy to determine male or female just look at the apparatus. You not good at playing doctor online either.

I never said I was an online doctor either. I am just someone who has eyes is all. I used to be a Field Inspector in my youth, does that count?Lol

 

[Whyayeman]

You are not a doctor yet you know its so very very easy to determine male or female just look at the apparatus. You not good at playing doctor online either.

This is almost always true. Yet it has almost nothing to do with the issue.

The issue is about capital punishment for buggery. Almost nobody is in favour.

 

[BeyondET]

This is almost always true. Yet it has almost nothing to do with the issue.

The issue is about capital punishment for buggery. Almost nobody is in favour.

Hmm so the other poster comments are on the issue is fine?