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The thing about Adam that really disgusts me

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When God asked Adam if he ate from the forbidden tree, Adam replied, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate.”

It may seem like he blamed Eve to some, but the way I read it, Adam blamed God for causing him to sin. That’s pretty low. I don’t think there is any other person in the Bible that ever blamed God for their sin.

However, isn’t that similar to people that willfully sin, and proclaim, “That’s the way God made me!?”
Yes, some Christians even maintain that God created Adam to sin, which would make God the chief of all sinners. Anyway, Adam was weak and foolish, as we all are, and only much later in human history would man finally be ready, just barely, to acknowledge his need for God in order to obtain and retain any degree of real moral integrity.
Apart from Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5
“I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.” Phil 4:13

We’re here to learn that bit of game-changing wisdom, the wisdom Adam lacked in Eden.
 
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Yes, some Christians even maintain that God created Adam to sin, which would make God the chief of all sinners. Anyway, Adam was weak and foolish, as we all are, and only much later in human history would man finally be ready, just barely, to acknowledge his need for God in order to obtain and retain any degree of real moral integrity.
Apart from Me you can do nothing.” John 15:5
“I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.” Phil 4:13

We’re here to learn that bit of game-changing wisdom, the wisdom Adam lacked in Eden.
God made Adam sinless and having all his needs taken care for.

Its Satan who is the chief of sinners.

When Adam fell Satan was granted his offspring to be found in fallen man.

Resulting in? When Satan condemns man who acts like Satan? Satan is admitting to his own condemnation!

One could say that was the genius 'neat trick' of God for allowing Satan to bring in the fall of man.

For God could not create sinful creatures to put on display as evidence of the necessity to condemn Satan.

So? to provide evidence of Satan's own guilt?

Satan unwittingly provided the evidence God needed to make his case before the angels by causing man to fall.

When man fell? Thus giving God the needed evidence so that all angels could see, comprehend, and understand God's vindication to hang Satan in the Lake of Fire with total and just vindication!

When it comes to honesty about himself? Satan denies, denies, and denies. So,God let Satan hang himself by allowing for Satan to cause the fall of man and to be honest about his deserved condemnation by proxy! Man's condemnation becomes his own! For Satan is the father of fallen man!

Once man was fallen? Satan had something to condemn, condemn, and condemn anytime, day and night.
And, what did Satan's condemnation of fallen man bring upon his own head?
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will
be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." Mat 7:1-2​


Jesus died for our sins so we will have no condemnation (Romans 8:1). So, we are now outside of God's condemnation for being reflections of Satan's nature.

But, for Satan and his accusing demons who accuse man of his sins and evil? They are in effect Satan hammering nails in their own coffins each time they condemn what they see in fallen man doing. For they are condemning their own nature that they chose for themselves and wish to justify!

Satan by condemning fallen man is admitting that the fallen angels and himself deserve condemnation! In the mean while, God redeemed man by means of the Cross!

To the Lake of Fire when executed will be without any further appeal. For Satan and his own are judging and condemning themselves when they condemn believers!!!!!!!!!!!

grace and peace for those who love God ..........
 
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When God asked Adam if he ate from the forbidden tree, Adam replied, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate.”

It may seem like he blamed Eve to some, but the way I read it, Adam blamed God for causing him to sin. That’s pretty low. I don’t think there is any other person in the Bible that ever blamed God for their sin.

However, isn’t that similar to people that willfully sin, and proclaim, “That’s the way God made me!?”
I believe there is more than what ADAM accused Christ of , by pointing his finger , at EVE .

Remember that redemption CAME through the SECOND ADAM , and NOT through Eve .

Also , in Gen 3:7 seeing that they were NAKED , both sewed fig leaves to cover themselves SIN and that is what people do today and say I give to the church , and go to church , at least 5 times a year , and provide for my family , I was baptized ETC , ETC

These are people that walk by SIGHT and not be FAITH as did ADAM and Eve as they walked and talked with Christ in the GARDEN >

And there are many HEBREW words in Gen 3:7 and 8 that are in the HEBREW , IMPERFECT TENSE and means it is still going on today .

dan p
 
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I believe there is more than what ADAM accused Christ of , by pointing his finger , at EVE .

Remember that redemption CAME through the SECOND ADAM , and NOT through Eve .

Also , in Gen 3:7 seeing that they were NAKED , both sewed fig leaves to cover themselves SIN and that is what people do today and say I give to the church , and go to church , at least 5 times a year , and provide for my family , I was baptized ETC , ETC

These are people that walk by SIGHT and not be FAITH as did ADAM and Eve as they walked and talked with Christ in the GARDEN >

And there are many HEBREW words in Gen 3:7 and 8 that are in the HEBREW , IMPERFECT TENSE and means it is still going on today .

dan p
Another interesting point from the Hebrew. One that I have only seen tackled by one Bible scholar....

After Adam told the Lord he was naked and covered himself?

The Lord did not simply ask Adam...'Who told you, you are naked?"

The Hebrew has a different form of reasoning.

A more precise translation could read... "Who denounced you that you were naked?"

That wording can indicate that some outside source had put them down for being naked.
 
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Adam, unlike us, did not have the sin nature in him. He has no tendency to sin unlike us.

Hence, he has to make a deliberate choice to sin. Eve was the one who is deceived by Satan, but not him.
Where does the Bible say that Adam's nature, ability to sin was less than ours?
Adam sinned with the nature he had, yet had only one way to sin, after Adam & Eve's sinned, we all gained knowledge of good and evil (tons of ways to sin [a law written on our hearts] a conscience).
 
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Another interesting point from the Hebrew. One that I have only seen tackled by one Bible scholar....

After Adam told the Lord he was naked and covered himself?

The Lord did not simply ask Adam...'Who told you, you are naked?"

The Hebrew has a different form of reasoning.

A more precise translation could read... "Who denounced you that you were naked?"

That wording can indicate that some outside source had put them down for being naked.

Another interesting point from the Hebrew. One that I have only seen tackled by one Bible scholar....

After Adam told the Lord he was naked and covered himself?

The Lord did not simply ask Adam...'Who told you, you are naked?"

The Hebrew has a different form of reasoning.

A more precise translation could read... "Who denounced you that you were naked?"

That wording can indicate that some outside source had put them down for being naked.
I look up the Hebrew text and did not find any words that resembled , WHO denounced you that you were naked .

dan p
 
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I look up the Hebrew text and did not find any words that resembled , WHO denounced you that you were naked .

dan p
Are you using a word study? Or, knowing actual exegesis?

This bible scholar knew Hebrew fluently.

You might be only working with the word's root meaning, that will keep certain meaning hidden.

Looks like I am going to place a new order for those lessons again.

In the mean while, here is how some notes that were taken while being taught Genesis 3:11.....


{Note: The Hebrew text indicates that Satan gets them to sin and then denounces them as BEING naked! Only the syntax brings this out. This points out that now Satan is the new ruler of the Earth. And, the first thing he does is denounce them as naked! Legalism!}
 
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I believe there is more than what ADAM accused Christ of , by pointing his finger , at EVE .

Remember that redemption CAME through the SECOND ADAM , and NOT through Eve .
Adam actually blamed God, Eve blamed Satan. Neither of them admitted wrongdoing.

Redemption came through Christ (the second Adam) who is Eve's descendant.

Genesis 3:11-16

11 “Who told you that you were naked?” the Lord God asked. “Have you eaten from the tree whose fruit I commanded you not to eat?”

12 The man replied, “It was the woman you gave me who gave me the fruit, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God asked the woman, “What have you done?”

“The serpent deceived me,” she replied. “That’s why I ate it.

14 Then the Lord God said to the serpent,

“Because you have done this, you are cursed
more than all animals, domestic and wild.
You will crawl on your belly,
groveling in the dust as long as you live.
15 And I will cause hostility between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring.
He will strike[a] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
 
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Adam actually blamed God, Eve blamed Satan. Neither of them admitted wrongdoing.

Redemption came through Christ (the second Adam) who is Eve's descendant.

Genesis 3:11-16

11 “Who told you that you were naked?” the Lord God asked. “Have you eaten from the tree whose fruit I commanded you not to eat?”

12 The man replied, “It was the woman you gave me who gave me the fruit, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God asked the woman, “What have you done?”

“The serpent deceived me,” she replied. “That’s why I ate it.

14 Then the Lord God said to the serpent,

“Because you have done this, you are cursed
more than all animals, domestic and wild.
You will crawl on your belly,
groveling in the dust as long as you live.
15 And I will cause hostility between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring.
He will strike[a] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

Jesus' body had to come through the seed of the woman (Gen 3:15) to be true humanity.

But, since sin entered the world through one man's sperm? (Romans 5:12) Jesus had to bypass having a human father.

That is why the Holy Spirit needed tp produce the perfect genetic material as to fertilize the ovum of Mary.

The woman's ovum does not pass down the sin nature. Its the male's sperm that has the defect inherited since the fall.
God chose Mary. But any woman could have (by the same means) have produced a sinless body for Jesus.

Divine trivia...


grace and peace .........
 
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Who doesn't in some way at some time, try to hide from their sin by blaming others and even God? Rom 3:23

The books of Adam and Eve are fascinating read. They were the mother and father of us all.

The First Book of Adam and Eve

 
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Jesus' body had to come through the seed of the woman (Gen 3:15) to be true humanity.

But, since sin entered the world through one man's sperm? (Romans 5:12) Jesus had to bypass having a human father.

That is why the Holy Spirit needed tp produce the perfect genetic material as to fertilize the ovum of Mary.

The woman's ovum does not pass down the sin nature. Its the male's sperm that has the defect inherited since the fall.
God chose Mary. But any woman could have (by the same means) have produced a sinless body for Jesus.

Divine trivia...


grace and peace .........
I don’t disagree with that but it doesn't change the fact God already had the plan from Genesis the Savior would be a descendant of Eve.
 
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I don’t disagree with that but it doesn't change the fact God already had the plan from Genesis the Savior would be a descendant of Eve.
That needs a little bit more thought perhaps? ....

Mary was a descendant of both Adam and Eve. It was from her (Mary) seed (ovum) that the body of Jesus was produced. Not Eve's ovum. Cain and Abel came from the seed of Eve.

How you said what you did, comes out sounding like? Eve would have been the mother of Jesus, not Mary.

The Lord was not speaking about a specific women, but the function of women. The Lord was telling (to those who were listening) that the Messiah would be born of the woman, not a man, of the human race.
 
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That needs a little bit more thought perhaps? ....

Mary was a descendant of both Adam and Eve. It was from her (Mary) seed (ovum) that the body of Jesus was produced. Not Eve's ovum. Cain and Abel came from the seed of Eve.

How you said what you did, comes out sounding like? Eve would have been the mother of Jesus, not Mary.

The Lord was not speaking about a specific women, but the function of women. The Lord was telling (to those who were listening) that the Messiah would be born of the woman, not a man, of the human race.
This explains the answer well:

"The gospel of Luke gives us the answer. Luke also includes a genealogy of Christ in his gospel – but with a few key differences than Matthew."

"First, Luke begins his documentation with Jesus and works his way backwards – all the way to Adam and God! (Luke 3:38)."

"So, how can Christ be of royal lineage if he is only biologically related to his mother? Christ’s lineage is royal on both sides of his parents. Both Mary and Joseph are descendants of David."

From: Is Jesus a descendant of David through Joseph or Mary?
 
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This explains the answer well:

"The gospel of Luke gives us the answer. Luke also includes a genealogy of Christ in his gospel – but with a few key differences than Matthew."

"First, Luke begins his documentation with Jesus and works his way backwards – all the way to Adam and God! (Luke 3:38)."

"So, how can Christ be of royal lineage if he is only biologically related to his mother? Christ’s lineage is royal on both sides of his parents. Both Mary and Joseph are descendants of David."

From: Is Jesus a descendant of David through Joseph or Mary?
I understand that. What still gives me a problem was what you said here. Was it a typo?

I don’t disagree with that but it doesn't change the fact God already had the plan from Genesis the Savior would be a descendant of Eve.

I am not making a connection with that.

Through Mary Jesus was a son of David. Not Eve. Its Mary's seed that fulfilled the prophecy of Gen 3:15 concerning the seed of the woman.

Genesis 3:15 was speaking of the function of a woman's ovum, not speaking of Eve's ovum specifically.
 
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The question I have: Adam never sinned before, so would one expect his reaction to be more mature? A mature response comes from experience, does it not?

I am not justifying Adam's actions, by the way. I am just looking at it from a more "realist" point of view. Children blame without being taught to blame out of the natural protection for self-preservation, which all animals would do if they were intelligent.
I must say I've always found the responce to be child-like.
 
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