Trump worker told FBI about moving Mar-a-Lago boxes on ex-president’s orders

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What does that say about Trump?
Trump is a showman and always has been but he was a far better president than Biden, is anyone better off now than they were two years ago? I would love to go back to the economy that Trump provided prior to Covid
 
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Trump is a showman and always has been but he was a far better president than Biden, is anyone better off now than they were two years ago? I would love to go back to the economy that Trump provided prior to Covid
Perhaps our economy would be better still had Trump never been elected to begin with! Obama "provided" the good economy after cleaning up the mess from the previous "conservative" president, remember? Elections have consequences. We Americans are suffering said consequences of the failure of the Trump presidency. It's just an interesting (yet ignored) fact
 
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Washington Post and others are reporting the Trump worker was a former Trump White House Oval Office suite valet and former Navy sailor.

It was the diet coke valet.

Nauta is originally from Guam, according to public records. He enlisted in the Navy and eventually became a cook in the White House mess, a small dining facility run by the Navy in the basement of the West Wing.

Not long after Trump took office, Nauta left the mess to become one of Trump’s valets, spending some of his workday in a small passageway that connects the West Wing to a private dining room. From there, he had access to a small refrigerator stocked with Diet Cokes, which he brought to the president in the Oval Office when Trump pressed a call button on his desk, said a former White House staffer who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss activities inside the White House.
 
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Trump is a showman and always has been but he was a far better president than Biden, is anyone better off now than they were two years ago? I would love to go back to the economy that Trump provided prior to Covid
And I would like to go back to the economy Obama provided Trump. Covid is part of Trump's economy just as much as the after effects of covid is part of today's worldwide inflated economy. And no, I would argue Trump is not a better president than Biden come accomplishments. Things Trump talked about doing, endlessly, Biden got done.
 
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Perhaps our economy would be better still had Trump never been elected to begin with! Obama "provided" the good economy after cleaning up the mess from the previous "conservative" president, remember? Elections have consequences. We Americans are suffering said consequences of the failure of the Trump presidency. It's just an interesting (yet ignored) fact
Show me the numbers that would confirm that. Trump provided the best economy we enjoyed in years.
 
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And I would like to go back to the economy Obama provided Trump. Covid is part of Trump's economy just as much as the after effects of covid is part of today's worldwide inflated economy. And no, I would argue Trump is not a better president than Biden come accomplishments. Things Trump talked about doing, endlessly, Biden got done.
To Blame Trump for Covid is simply foolish, to ignore that he gave us the best economy in years and our country was far more secure and had a less of a crime is to ignore the facts.
 
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Show me the numbers that would confirm that. Trump provided the best economy we enjoyed in years.
Do you not have an imagination? Do you not understand cause/effect or the passage of time? That economy was obviously unsustainable and contributed to some of our inflation problems. But at least the billionaires can afford it! That's all the elitists care about. It gives them more leverage to control the working class and poor people.
 
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Will it be done at Four Seasons Landscaping?

His lawyers intend to appeal directly to the Supreme Courtyard by Marriott.
 
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sounds to me like some people may be looking for any excuse to exercise bias confirmation.
A bias towards believing a conclusion supported by independent lines of evidence over a fabrication that the guy's attorneys are too scared to try and use in a situation where there are serious penalties for lying? I mean, I guess one could call that a bias, but most people would just call it being reasonable.
 
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It's only a matter of time before Trump will be indicted.

Directing employees to move documents sought by a subpoena is the sort of damning evidence one rarely sees in federal prosecution. “The employee is unlikely to be charged if he continues to cooperate,” former prosecutor Renato Mariotti tweets. “But his testimony suggests that Trump tried to keep documents from the DOJ, which had already served a grand jury subpoena for the documents *before* the employee was ordered to move them.

Mariotti continues: “This testimony, combined with other facts (such as the false certification to the DOJ) suggests an effort to hide the documents from the federal government. This evidence is an aggravating factor that could weigh in favor of charging Trump.”

Such conduct would not only fit the definition of an “aggravating factor” for an Espionage Act indictment but, if true, likely constitute a separate crime of obstruction. (This would explain the reference to the section of the U.S. Code relevant to obstruction in the application for an affidavit.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/13/trump-document-concealment-indictment-likely/
 
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It's only a matter of time before Trump will be indicted.

Directing employees to move documents sought by a subpoena is the sort of damning evidence one rarely sees in federal prosecution. “The employee is unlikely to be charged if he continues to cooperate,” former prosecutor Renato Mariotti tweets. “But his testimony suggests that Trump tried to keep documents from the DOJ, which had already served a grand jury subpoena for the documents *before* the employee was ordered to move them.

Mariotti continues: “This testimony, combined with other facts (such as the false certification to the DOJ) suggests an effort to hide the documents from the federal government. This evidence is an aggravating factor that could weigh in favor of charging Trump.”

Such conduct would not only fit the definition of an “aggravating factor” for an Espionage Act indictment but, if true, likely constitute a separate crime of obstruction. (This would explain the reference to the section of the U.S. Code relevant to obstruction in the application for an affidavit.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/13/trump-document-concealment-indictment-likely/
Yeah, it is the obstruction charge that is going to do him in.
 
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Do you not have an imagination? Do you not understand cause/effect or the passage of time? That economy was obviously unsustainable and contributed to some of our inflation problems. But at least the billionaires can afford it! That's all the elitists care about. It gives them more leverage to control the working class and poor people.
I see no numbers or evidence that I asked for, talk is talk, show me the facts.
 
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A bias towards believing a conclusion supported by independent lines of evidence over a fabrication that the guy's attorneys are too scared to try and use in a situation where there are serious penalties for lying? I mean, I guess one could call that a bias, but most people would just call it being reasonable.
No most people want to hear both sides of a story before they make a decision, after all that is the only fair, intelligent way to arrive at a supportable conclusion.
 
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I see no numbers or evidence that I asked for, talk is talk, show me the facts.
Facts don't matter, you will excuse them at your leisure. I have wasted enough time with you. Have a pleasant tomorrow.
 
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No most people want to hear both sides of a story before they make a decision, after all that is the only fair, intelligent way to arrive at a supportable conclusion.
Weird the fact I'm allegedly being unfair towards haven't yet been mentioned. Instead, there are digs at my intelligence. I think I know why.
 
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No most people want to hear both sides of a story before they make a decision, after all that is the only fair, intelligent way to arrive at a supportable conclusion.
Yeah, because no one has heard Donald’s version of events yet.
 
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Yeah, because no one has heard Donald’s version of events yet.
It was by design that the committee contained only members that are anti Trump that should be clear to anyone and nearly everyone.
 
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Washington Post and others are reporting the Trump worker was a former Trump White House Oval Office suite valet and former Navy sailor.

It was the diet coke valet.

Nauta is originally from Guam, according to public records. He enlisted in the Navy and eventually became a cook in the White House mess, a small dining facility run by the Navy in the basement of the West Wing.

Not long after Trump took office, Nauta left the mess to become one of Trump’s valets, spending some of his workday in a small passageway that connects the West Wing to a private dining room. From there, he had access to a small refrigerator stocked with Diet Cokes, which he brought to the president in the Oval Office when Trump pressed a call button on his desk, said a former White House staffer who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss activities inside the White House.
This sounds so stupid that it has to be true.
 
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