Why hasn't Christian universalism ever gone away?

[P1LGR1M]

And if your argument is true,

It is.

and God is going to"force every knee and tongue to confess", it still ends up supporting Universalism.

Again, sorry—no.

Those in judgment by God in Isaiah 45 acknowledge God's Sovereignty for it is to Him they attribute their destruction.

They weren't saved, they were judged.


God bless.

 

[Der Alte]

You might want to reread the post and discover why it is you didn't understand it.
God bless.

My bad, I quoted the wrong post.

 

[wendykvw]

Hey, thanks!





No, it refutes your statement, "God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship."

Not a single statement I have made refutes Scripture. But all of them refute the use of the proof texts Universal Salvation teachers use. This is just one of them.


Isaiah 45:14
King James Version

14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.


Did these men of stature in chains worship God because of their own "free will?"

Or because God visited them with judgment?


Continued...

Vs.14 Isaiah is speaking of the great conversion of the nations, connected with the restoration of the Jews to their land. They are not literally wearing chains, they have voluntarily committed to serving God.

God does not accept false worship For several reasons. It has been determined by scripture God accepts "true" worshipers who willingly submit to loving and honoring Him:

1. True worshipers are not forced. John 4:23
2. Confession is linked to Salvation. Rom 10:9
3. True worship brings Glory to God, not forced worship. Mark 12:33
4. Isaiah vs.24 indicates "willingness" and a transformed heart. This is not forced or coercion. It is genuine worship. "Surely in the Lord, I have righteousness.” Only a genuine believer could say this.
5. Those who were against Him are ashamed. Being ashamed is a sign of genuine repentance, as the following passages confirm. 2Ch 30:15, Ezr 9:6, Jer 8:12, Ex 16:62-63:36:21-33, 2 Th 3:14-15.
6. He will give all people a heart to know Him, worship Him and Love Him..willingly Jer 24:7, Jer 31:34, Heb 8:11.
7. God's Grace is free, not earned, and He is generous with Love, Mercy, and Grace there is no end to His generous gift. Nothing can separate anyone from God's love. Romans 8:38-39.
8. The sacrifice of Christ is the greatest power in the universe, even His enemies can not resist Him, and their hearts turn towards Him in wonder, confession, and worship Him willingly. Rom 14:11.
9. When all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him, who put all things under His feet. God will fill all things in the universe 1 Cor 15:28, and the entire universe will know God and will bow in allegiance. God will be all in all. The Greek word "subject" is the same used for Christ. Can it be questioned that Christ's submission is not freely given?
10. The idea of a forced confession does not square with the meaning of the Greek word Exomologeo. Every use of the word [exomologeo] in the New Testament connotes a voluntary confession. Phil 2:11
11. Consider too that Paul is quoting from Isaiah 45:23 and there is no hint of forced worship in this passage for a couple of reasons:

• • In Isa 45:22, God says, “Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth…” which not only proves the worship Paul speaks of is voluntary; it further supports the universalistic interpretation
  • • In v. 24, God says, “They will say of me, ‘Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.’” These are not exactly the words of a defeated enemy being forced to admit allegiance.

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• 12. God will transform all of His enemies, Paul is an excellent example. Not by force, but because God is God, and can do anything He desires. Is that difficult to understand? Perhaps Paul can help you understand the amazing God He testified about: "Even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an arrogant man. But I received mercy because I acted out of ignorance in unbelief".(1 Timothy 1:13)?

• Paul acted out of ignorance, he was a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an arrogant man

• Paul received mercy

• Paul was transformed

• Paul willingly submitted to His creator

Good news, and more good news:

• God transforms His enemies, and they are redeemed.

• God heals the blind, and the deaf and raises the dead. He transforms His enemies, and the entire universe by His wisdom, by His Sovereign power.

“Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and the earth is Yours; Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and Yours it is to be exalted as Head over all.”

1 Chronicle 29:11

 

[wendykvw]

A person convinced against their will is of the the same opinion still.
See my [Post #88] <link above.

#103.

 

[Der Alte]

Vs.14 Isaiah is speaking of the great conversion of the nations, connected with the restoration of the Jews to their land. They are not literally wearing chains, they have voluntarily committed to serving God.
God does not accept false worship as you obtusely assert. It has been determined by scripture God accepts "true" worshipers who willingly submit to loving and honoring Him:
1. True worshipers are not forced. John 4:23
2. Confession is linked to Savlation. Rom 10:9
3. True worship brings Glory to God, not forced worship. Mark 12:33
4. Isaiah vs.24 indicates "willingness" and a transformed heart, again, not something that is forced but is indeed true worship. "Surely in the Lord, I have righteousness. Only a genuine believer could say this.
5. Those who were against Him are ashamed. Being ashamed is a sign of genuine repentance, as the following passages confirm. 2Ch 30:15, Ezr 9:6, Jer 8:12, Ex 16:62-63:36:21-33, 2 Th 3:14-15.
6. He will give all people a heart to know Him, worship Him and Love Him..willingly Jer 24:7, Jer 31:34, Heb 8:11.
7. God's Grace is free, not earned, and He is generous with Love, Mercy, and Grace there is no end to His generous gift. Nothing can separate anyone from God's love. Romans 8:38-39.
8. The sacrifice of Christ is the greatest power in the universe, even His enemies can not resist Him, and their hearts turn towards Him in wonder, confession, and worship Him willingly. Rom 14:11.
9. When all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him, who put all things under His feet. God will fill all things in the universe 1 Cor 15:28, and the entire universe will know God and will bow in allegiance. God will be all in all. The Greek word "subject" is the same used for Christ. Can it be questioned that Christ's submission is not freely given?
10. The idea of a forced confession does not square with the meaning of the Greek word Exomologeo. Every use of the word [exomologeo] in the New Testament connotes a voluntary confession. Phil 2:11
11. Consider too that Paul is quoting from Isaiah 45:23 and there is no hint of forced worship in this passage for a couple of reasons:

• • In Isa 45:22, God says, “Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth…” which not only proves the worship Paul speaks of is voluntary; it further supports the universalistic interpretation.
  • In v. 24, God says, “They will say of me, ‘Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.’” These are not exactly the words of a defeated enemy being forced to admit allegiance.

12. God will transform all of His enemies, Paul is an excellent example. Not by force, but because God is God, and can do anything He desires. Is that difficult to understand? Perhaps Paul can help you understand the amazing God He testified about: "Even though I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an arrogant man. But I received mercy because I acted out of ignorance in unbelief".(1 Timothy 1:13)

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  • Paul acted out of ignorance, he was a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an arrogant man
  • Paul received mercy
  • Paul was transformed
  • Paul willingly submitted to His creator

God transforms His enemies, and they are redeemed. God heals the blind, and the deaf raises the dead and transforms His enemies, and the entire universe by His wisdom, His Sovereign power.
“Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and the earth is Yours; Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and Yours it is to be exalted as Head over all.”
~1 Chronicles 29:11

Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything by quoting selective vss. out-of-context.

Jeremiah 13:11
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
Jeremiah 13:14
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
= = = = =
Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
= = = =
Romans 1:16
(16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:18
(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Romans 1:24
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:32
(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
​

 

[wendykvw]

Anybody can make the Bible say almost anything by quoting selective vss. out-of-context.

Jeremiah 13:11
(11) For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
Jeremiah 13:14
(14) And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
= = = = =
Matthew 7:21-23
(21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
(22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
(23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
= = = =
Romans 1:16
(16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:18
(18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Romans 1:24
(24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:26
(26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:28
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Romans 1:32
(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
​

Yes, and do you know what that is? Cherry-picking verses also do not refute or contract other scriptures.

Scripture has very little to do with one’s commitment to the Lord or reverence for His word and everything to do with the theological presuppositions or model one holds to. If one accepts that God will punish people eternally in hell, passages are interpreted one way; if it is believed God will eventually annihilate the wicked, passages are interpreted another way; and if one holds that all will eventually be saved, there is yet a third possibility.

 

[Der Alte]

Yes, and do you know what that is? Cherry-picking verses also do not refute or contract other scriptures.
Scripture has very little to do with one’s commitment to the Lord or reverence for His word and everything to do with the theological presuppositions or model one holds to. If one accepts that God will punish people eternally in hell, passages are interpreted one way; if it is believed God will eventually annihilate the wicked, passages are interpreted another way; and if one holds that all will eventually be saved, there is yet a third possibility.

Empty, accusatory words. If I have misinterpreted/misrepresented any scripture I have posted please show me how.
Let me preface my response with this. I learned to read and went to Sunday School my first time when FDR was president. I vividly remember his death. I sporadically attended Sunday School and church during the next 20+ years. I became a Christian when LBJ was president while in flight school destination Viet Nam. I did not grow up in any church, I had virtually nothing to unlearn and questioned everything from day one.
A mistake that UR -ites often make is thinking that the words of N.T. writers take precedence over the words of the Father, Himself, or Jesus, Himself.
My position is this if the words of a N.T. writer seem to contradict the Father, Himself, or Jesus, Himself, it must be resolved in favor of the Father or Jesus,
Quoting a different translation/interpretation by some UR scholar does not indicate that I am in error. Such proof would require credible, verifiable, historical, grammatical, lexical etc. evidence.
And OBTW I don't cherry pick I quote in-context.

 

[wendykvw]

Empty, accusatory words. If I have misinterpreted/misrepresented any scripture I have posted please show me how.
Let me preface my response with this. I learned to read and went to Sunday School my first time when FDR was president. I vividly remember his death. I sporadically attended Sunday School and church during the next 20+ years. I became a Christian when LBJ was president while in flight school destination Viet Nam. I did not grow up in any church, I had virtually nothing to unlearn and questioned everything from day one.
A mistake that UR -ites often make is thinking that the words of N.T. writers take precedence over the words of the Father, Himself, or Jesus, Himself.
My position is this if the words of a N.T. writer seem to contradict the Father, Himself, or Jesus, Himself, it must be resolved in favor of the Father or Jesus,
Quoting a different translation/interpretation by some UR scholar does not indicate that I am in error. Such proof would require credible, verifiable, historical, grammatical, lexical etc. evidence.
And OBTW I don't cherry pick I quote in-context.

1. FYI, I do not post any translations by UR scholars nor did I come to believe UR through any book or human. It came through a re-examination of my faith and God.
2. Wonderful, I first began reading and preaching the bible when I was 6 yrs. old.
3. YOU are HUMAN and are capable of error just as easily as anyone else. We have been over this many times. You are claiming you have the infallibility of scripture interpretation, this is false.
4. Christianity has many theological interpretations/denominational doctrines there is no consensus on any given doctrine and this has been the case since the beginning.
5. No denomination has superiority, God is not the God of confusion. The problem is not scripture, it is those who interpret scripture according to their theological models. Three models: Eternal Hell, Annihilation, and Restoration. Three lenses are used to view scripture.

 

[Der Alte]

1. FYI, I do not post any translations by UR scholars nor did I come to believe UR through any book or human. It came through a re-examination of my faith and God.
2. Wonderful, I first began reading and preaching the bible when I was 6 yrs. old.
3. YOU are HUMAN and are capable of error just as easily as anyone else. We have been over this many times. You are claiming you have the infallibility of scripture interpretation, this is false.
4. Christianity has many theological interpretations/denominational doctrines there is no consensus on any given doctrine and this has been the case since the beginning.
5. No denomination has superiority, God is not the God of confusion. The problem is not scripture, it is those who interpret scripture according to their theological models. Three models: Eternal Hell, Annihilation, and Restoration. Three lenses are used to view scripture.

#1 Good for you. Most UR-ites whom I have encountered here at CF think that the words of their favorite UR scholar(s) are almost on a par with the tablets Moses carried down the mountain. Dr. Alaria Ramelli has been quoted so much here I call her the "High Priestess of UR." I have shown that one of her claims about Origen is a lie.
#2 Another good for you.
#3 I fully realize that I am fallible that is why I invited you to prove anything I posted incorrect and stated some conditions. Many UR-ites try to show me that I an wrong by quoting one of their favorite scholars. And I stated my conditions for accepting such. The unsupported opinions of "scholars" is no more compelling than the graffiti on a passing box car.
#4 Okay,
#5 Again Okay.
I have the most up-to-date editions of the the Bauer, Danker, Arndt, Gingrich Greek lexicon and the Brown, Driver, Briggs Hebrew lexicon and Dan Wallace's "Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics in my personal library. So there is very little that I can't support with the latest scholarship.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Again, no address of the posts presented to deny the view "God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship."

Just another "Oh, yeah? What about—"

Vs.14 Isaiah is speaking of the great conversion of the nations, connected with the restoration of the Jews to their land. They are not literally wearing chains, they have voluntarily committed to serving God.

Actually, we have men falling down in worship unto other men, not God:


Isaiah 45:14
King James Version

14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.


Again, it denies your assertion. This is the repentance of Judas and Simon the sorcerer.

They acknowledge God to other men.

"They shall fall down" is worship.


Continued...

 

[P1LGR1M]

God does not accept false worship For several reasons. It has been determined by scripture God accepts "true" worshipers who willingly submit to loving and honoring Him:

They seem pretty convinced to me:


Isaiah 45:14
King James Version

14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

1. True worshipers are not forced. John 4:23

Sure they are.

What you are confusing is the fact that not all who worship are genuine believers.


Mark 5:6-8
King James Version

6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.


Another problem is trying to limit definitions to fit your system of belief.

Atheists make a similar argument that they do not have beliefs or believe. They do indeed. They also limit religion to a belief in God or gods.

Why you cannot see forced worship in this simply stated verse should bother you on a number of levels.


Continued...

 

[P1LGR1M]

2. Confession is linked to Salvation. Rom 10:9

According to your limited understanding of Scripture, maybe:


Revelation 6:15-17
King James Version

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


John 2:23-25
King James Version

23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.


You have four Gospels worth of men "confessing" the name of Christ and yet your definition and teaching is correct?


Continued...

 

[P1LGR1M]

3. True worship brings Glory to God, not forced worship. Mark 12:33

Now it's "true" worship?

You don't believe these men...


Isaiah 45:14
King James Version

14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.



...truly believed? They were lying? They didn't really give God glory as the One True Living GOd?


Continued...

 

[P1LGR1M]

4. Isaiah vs.24 indicates "willingness" and a transformed heart. This is not forced or coercion. It is genuine worship. "Surely in the Lord, I have righteousness.” Only a genuine believer could say this.

Again, you yank God's Word out of context for your own purpose, that you might teach that which is not represented in His Word:


Isaiah 45:20-25
King James Version

20 Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.


You seem not be able to see that only those who are in the Lord will be saved.

Verse 24 makes it clear there are those who will call on the Lord, and those who will be ashamed, even as Daniel 12:1-2 teaches in an eternal context.

You are making all men "the seed."


Romans 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


It is declared in Scripture over an over that there are those who are the children of God and those that are the children of the devil. Those that are the seed and those that are not.

Those who will be saved and those that will not be.

Universal Salvation teaches the exact opposite of a basic Bible Principle.


Continued...

 

[P1LGR1M]

5. Those who were against Him are ashamed. Being ashamed is a sign of genuine repentance, as the following passages confirm. 2Ch 30:15, Ezr 9:6, Jer 8:12, Ex 16:62-63:36:21-33, 2 Th 3:14-15.

Being ashamed is a sign of genuine repentance?

So those who will have everlasting shame and contempt genuinely repented?


Daniel 12
King James Version

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


Two groups of people as Scripture consistently teaches, those who will have everlasting life, and those who will have everlasting shame and contempt. Those who are wise, and those who do wickedly that will...

...never understand.

Universal salvation teaches the exact opposite of Scripture because you are not able to bring the entirety of Scripture's teaching into a consistency that is not full of contradiction, poor proof-texting, and what is outright deceitful practice.

So once again, a false teaching: "being ashamed is a sign of true repentance."


Continued...

 

[public hermit]

Christian universalism hasn't gone away because Christianity claims that God is love. As long as that fundamental assumption about God is available, and the scriptures make such an assumption available, then the possibility that God will be all in all is always a live possibility. The doctrine of ECT must qualify God's essential nature of love in some way or another to make their assumption that God tortures creatures forever somehow palatable, e.g. God is not love essentially, God only loves the saved, human freedom overrides divine love, etc. This is why the scriptures can't settle this argument; our fundamental assumptions about God are always in play.

 

[P1LGR1M]

6. He will give all people a heart to know Him, worship Him and Love Him..willingly Jer 24:7, Jer 31:34, Heb 8:11.

More deceit. Let's see if Jeremiah 24:7 teaches "He will give all people a heart to know Him, worship Him, and love Him...willingly:"


Jeremiah 24:5-7
King James Version

5 Thus saith the Lord, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.

6 For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.

7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the Lord: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.


Again, more deceit. A proof text that is specific to the captives of Judah is used to teach the false doctrine of universal salvation.

Let's see what happens to the other group:


Jeremiah 24:8-10
King James Version

8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the Lord, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:

9 And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.

10 And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.


Two groups taught in Scripture: those who will be saved and those who will receive God's judgment.


Continued...

 

[P1LGR1M]

This is why the scriptures can't settle this argument;

This is why you will never be able to settle the argument: no faith in the Word of God or an understanding that God gave us His Word for the express purpose that we know His will.

Scripture settles every "argument."


God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

7. God's Grace is free, not earned, and He is generous with Love, Mercy, and Grace there is no end to His generous gift. Nothing can separate anyone from God's love. Romans 8:38-39.

The false teaching here is "...nothing can separate anyone from God's love," and again the deceitful practice of applying a verse that only applies to those who are in Christ to the entirety of mankind.

What do you think "death" is?

It is separation from God.

Here is where God will separate the unbelieving from Himself:


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
King James Version

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;


Universal salvation teaches the exact opposite of Scripture and encourages people that obeying GOd is not necessary.

That is good news for the Lost who know not God and obey not the Gospel.

But in reality it is bad news for God Who would have them saved.


2 Peter 2
King James Version

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.


Continued...

 

[P1LGR1M]

8. The sacrifice of Christ is the greatest power in the universe, even His enemies can not resist Him, and their hearts turn towards Him in wonder, confession, and worship Him willingly. Rom 14:11.

Romans 14
King James Version

1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.


8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Unbelievers are not our brothers. They do not belong to the Lord. Again, a deceitfully placed proof text that applies only to believers, and ignores Christ's Own teachings about unbelievers:

Christ teaches separation of unbelievers from Himself:


Matthew 7:22-23
King James Version

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


This is the Second Death, the second separation of men from God.

Man is conceived and born separated from God, and it is because of this that man sins. Man's sins bring about the penalty of death, and the only Remedy for the penalty of death in the Second Death, the Second Separation—is faith in Jesus Christ.

Universal salvation teaches the exact opposite: "...even His enemies can not resist Him, and their hearts turn towards Him in wonder, confession, and worship Him willingly. Rom 14:11."

Can the enemies of God resist God?


Acts 7:51-52
King James Version

51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:


So why is it that universal salvation teachers miss this?


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