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Why hasn't Christian universalism ever gone away?

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Are you implying confession, and worship is forced in Romans 14:11, and Philippians 2:10?
1. God never accepts false worship or confession.
2. By Myself I have sworn; truth has gone out from My mouth, a word that will not be revoked: Every knee will bow before Me, every tongue will swear allegiance. Isa 45:23
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If you are going to post scripture to support your argument. Post it accurately.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
The word "allegiance" is NOT in the vs. You found a "version" that says what you want it to.
 
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I'm not sure it's as simple as that. What would you say about this verse?
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16, NIV
Is this also a statement of God's purpose that may not be fulfilled? Is it saying that those who believe should not perish and they should have eternal life, but we can’t be too sure about it
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Do your own research amigo! Find a parsed NT and find out what the mood of the word translated "shall not perish" is? And then maybe you can figure out why it is translated "shall not perish" instead of "should not perish."
Don't play language games with me you will always lose. I started learning to speak Greek more than 6 decades ago and studied Greek at the graduate level about 2 decades after that. And I have the most current Greek grammar in my personal library.
 
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If you are going to post scripture to support your argument. Post it accurately.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
The word "allegiance" is NOT in the vs. You found a "version" that says what you want it to.
Some translations say swear some say allegiance. What are they doing swearing? Cursing or making an oath? Are you implying a conspiracy.
Feel free to critique every translation. God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship. Confession and worship must be genuine. I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of the translations.

Isaiah 45:23

New International Version
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.

New Living Translation
I have sworn by my own name; I have spoken the truth, and I will never go back on my word: Every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will declare allegiance to me.”

English Standard Version
By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’

Berean Study Bible
By Myself I have sworn; truth has gone out from My mouth, a word that will not be revoked: Every knee will bow before Me, every tongue will swear allegiance.

New American Standard Bible
“I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

NASB 1995
"I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

NASB 1977
“I have sworn by Myself, The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

Amplified Bible
“I have sworn [an oath] by Myself, The word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear [allegiance].

Christian Standard Bible
By myself I have sworn; truth has gone from my mouth, a word that will not be revoked: Every knee will bow to me, every tongue will swear allegiance.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
By Myself I have sworn; Truth has gone from My mouth, a word that will not be revoked: Every knee will bow to Me, every tongue will swear allegiance.

Contemporary English Version
I have made a solemn promise, one that won't be broken: Everyone will bow down and worship me.

Good News Translation
My promise is true, and it will not be changed. I solemnly promise by all that I am: Everyone will come and kneel before me and vow to be loyal to me.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
I have bound myself with an oath. A word has gone out from my righteous mouth that will not be recalled, "Every knee will bow to me and every tongue will swear [allegiance]."

International Standard Version
By myself I have sworn— from my mouth has gone out integrity, a promise that won't be revoked: 'To me every knee will bow, and every tongue will swear. '

NET Bible
I solemnly make this oath--what I say is true and reliable: 'Surely every knee will bow to me, every tongue will solemnly affirm;
King James Bible
I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.


Literal Standard Version
I have sworn by Myself, "" A word has gone out from My mouth in righteousness, "" And it does not return, "" That to Me, every knee bows, every tongue swears.

Young's Literal Translation
By Myself I have sworn, Gone out from my mouth in righteousness hath a word, And it turneth not back, That to Me, bow doth every knee, every tongue swear.

Smith's Literal Translation
By myself I sware the word, justice went forth out of my mouth, and shall not turn back, That to me every knee shall bend, every tongue shall swear.
 
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Don't play language games with me you will always lose. I started learning to speak Greek more than 6 decades ago and studied Greek at the graduate level about 2 decades after that. And I have the most current Greek grammar in my personal library.
Since you refer to those with much more extensive backgrounds as "scholars", that's not saying much. By your own standards you're a bush league anonymous nobody. So the hubris you're displaying is unwarranted.
 
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Do your own research amigo! Find a parsed NT and find out what the mood of the word translated "shall not perish" is? And then maybe you can figure out why it is translated "shall not perish" instead of "should not perish."
Don't play language games with me you will always lose. I started learning to speak Greek more than 6 decades ago and studied Greek at the graduate level about 2 decades after that. And I have the most current Greek grammar in my personal library.

IOW, you don't know. And that's fine of course.
 
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Some translations say swear some say allegiance. What are they doing swearing? Cursing or making an oath? Are you implying a conspiracy.
Feel free to critique every translation. God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship. Confession and worship must be genuine. I have no reason to doubt the authenticity of the translations.

God does not force anyone to bow in worship?

It is true translation shopping can help one proof text a belief, view, position, or supposition, but what is ultimately going to determine meaning in any verse or passage is going to be context. First, immediate context, secondly, the context within the Book/Epistle, third, the context of the Testament it is found in, and lastly, the expanded Biblical context.

The text in view:

New American Standard Bible
“I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

So I will use the NASB which I find to be a decent translation, though it can be a bit dry. Let's see if the immediate context can help us understand what the intent of the statement is and whether or not, as it has been dogmatically stated—"God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship."


Isaiah 45
New American Standard Bible
God Uses Cyrus

45 This is what the Lord says to Cyrus His anointed,
Whom I have taken by the right hand,
To subdue nations before him
And [a]to undo the weapons belt on the waist of kings;
To open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:


[a. Isaiah 45:1 Lit I will loose]

Already it isn't looking good for the teaching above.

It seems that God subdues nations. Now, the last time I checked, when an invading country comes in and subdues another, that is what I would consider forceful.


5
I am the Lord, and there is no one else;
There is no God except Me.

I will [d]arm you, though you have not known Me,

6
So that people may know from the rising to the setting of the sun

That there is no one besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no one else,

[d. Isaiah 45:5 Or embrace]


God's intent is to make Himself known as the One True Living God, and He doesn't seem to be doing that by letting people make their own decisions on this matter.


9
“Woe to the one who quarrels with [f]his Maker—
A piece of pottery [g]among the other earthenware pottery pieces!
Will the clay say to the [h]potter, ‘What are you doing?’
Or the thing you are making say, ‘He has no hands’?


[f. Isaiah 45:9 Lit He who formed him]
[g. Isaiah 45:9 Lit with]


It seems there are two views, man's—and God's.

It seems there are people who think they can argue with what God has decreed.


11 This is what the Lord says, the Holy One of Israel and [j]his Maker:

“[k]Ask Me about the things to come [l]concerning My sons,
And you shall commit to Me the work of My hands.

[j. Isaiah 45:11 Lit He who formed him]
[k. Isaiah 45:11 Or Will you ask]
[l. Isaiah 45:11 Or upon]



12
It is I who made the earth, and created mankind upon it.
I stretched out the heavens with My hands,
And I [m]ordained all their [n]lights.

[m. Isaiah 45:12 Or commanded]
[n. Isaiah 45:12 Lit host; i.e., sun, stars, etc.]

13
I have stirred him in righteousness,
And I will make all his ways smooth.

He will build My city and let My exiles go free,
Without any payment or reward,” says the Lord of armies.


The Redemption of God is not earned, paid for, or deserved by any man or woman. That is what the Lord says, the Holy One of Israel and His Maker.

God is Sovereign of Redemption, whether temporal or Eternal.


14 This is what the Lord says:

“The [o]products of Egypt and the merchandise of [p]Cush
And the Sabeans, men of stature,
Will come over to you and will be yours;

They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains
And will bow down to you;
They will plead with you:
‘[q]God certainly is [r]with you, and there is no one else,
No other God.’”


[o. Isaiah 45:14 Lit labor]
[p. Isaiah 45:14 Or Ethiopia]
[q. Isaiah 45:14 Or God is with you alone]
[r. Isaiah 45:14 Or in]


15

Truly, You are a God who hides Himself,
God of Israel, Savior!


Not sure how others may feel about it, but the bowing here is not something I would interpret as volunteered, nor is the worship.

It is ascension to the Sovereignty of God.


16
They will be put to shame and even humiliated, all of them;
The manufacturers of idols will go away together in humiliation.

17

Israel has been saved by the Lord
With an everlasting salvation;
You will not be put to shame or humiliated
To all eternity.



Two groups: those who will go away in humiliation, and those who receive everlasting salvation—who will not be put to shame or humiliated forever.

Let's take a look at the verse of which it is said, "God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship"


23 I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.



Every knee will bow, every tongue confess.

Universal Salvation?


24 They will say of Me, ‘Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.’
People will come to Him,
And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.

25 In the Lord all the offspring of Israel
Will be justified and will boast.”



No, because of the two groups here (three if you look into the future and count all of the faithful that are heirs to the Promises through Jesus Christ) we have those who have been subdued by God through force, and those He redeemed.

While we might contrive an all-inclusive salvation from "all who were angry at Him will be put to shame," we would be forgetting their shame is everlasting, as also stated in Daniel 12:1-2.

We would be forgetting the context of the Chapter, as well as the Book, as well as the broader teaching of Scripture.


14 This is what the Lord says:

“The [o]products of Egypt and the merchandise of [p]Cush
And the Sabeans, men of stature,
Will come over to you and will be yours;

They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains
And will bow down to you;
They will plead with you:
‘[q]God certainly is [r]with you, and there is no one else,
No other God.’”



Who are they pleading with? With God in repentance?

No, they are pleading with their captors, those God has redeemed.

With the use of force.

That is what God says.

So I, for one, would have to disagree with the assertion that "God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship"


God bless.
 
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God does not force anyone to bow in worship?

It is true translation shopping can help one proof text a belief, view, position, or supposition, but what is ultimately going to determine meaning in any verse or passage is going to be context. First, immediate context, secondly, the context within the Book/Epistle, third, the context of the Testament it is found in, and lastly, the expanded Biblical context.

The text in view:



So I will use the NASB which I find to be a decent translation, though it can be a bit dry. Let's see if the immediate context can help us understand what the intent of the statement is and whether or not, as it has been dogmatically stated—"God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship."


Isaiah 45
New American Standard Bible
God Uses Cyrus

45 This is what the Lord says to Cyrus His anointed,
Whom I have taken by the right hand,
To subdue nations before him
And [a]to undo the weapons belt on the waist of kings;
To open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:


[a. Isaiah 45:1 Lit I will loose]

Already it isn't looking good for the teaching above.

It seems that God subdues nations. Now, the last time I checked, when an invading country comes in and subdues another, that is what I would consider forceful.


5
I am the Lord, and there is no one else;
There is no God except Me.

I will [d]arm you, though you have not known Me,

6
So that people may know from the rising to the setting of the sun

That there is no one besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no one else,

[d. Isaiah 45:5 Or embrace]


God's intent is to make Himself known as the One True Living God, and He doesn't seem to be doing that by letting people make their own decisions on this matter.


9
“Woe to the one who quarrels with [f]his Maker—
A piece of pottery [g]among the other earthenware pottery pieces!
Will the clay say to the [h]potter, ‘What are you doing?’
Or the thing you are making say, ‘He has no hands’?


[f. Isaiah 45:9 Lit He who formed him]
[g. Isaiah 45:9 Lit with]


It seems there are two views, man's—and God's.

It seems there are people who think they can argue with what God has decreed.


11 This is what the Lord says, the Holy One of Israel and [j]his Maker:

“[k]Ask Me about the things to come [l]concerning My sons,
And you shall commit to Me the work of My hands.

[j. Isaiah 45:11 Lit He who formed him]
[k. Isaiah 45:11 Or Will you ask]
[l. Isaiah 45:11 Or upon]



12
It is I who made the earth, and created mankind upon it.
I stretched out the heavens with My hands,
And I [m]ordained all their [n]lights.

[m. Isaiah 45:12 Or commanded]
[n. Isaiah 45:12 Lit host; i.e., sun, stars, etc.]

13
I have stirred him in righteousness,
And I will make all his ways smooth.

He will build My city and let My exiles go free,
Without any payment or reward,” says the Lord of armies.


The Redemption of God is not earned, paid for, or deserved by any man or woman. That is what the Lord says, the Holy One of Israel and His Maker.

God is Sovereign of Redemption, whether temporal or Eternal.


14 This is what the Lord says:

“The [o]products of Egypt and the merchandise of [p]Cush
And the Sabeans, men of stature,
Will come over to you and will be yours;

They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains
And will bow down to you;
They will plead with you:
‘[q]God certainly is [r]with you, and there is no one else,
No other God.’”


[o. Isaiah 45:14 Lit labor]
[p. Isaiah 45:14 Or Ethiopia]
[q. Isaiah 45:14 Or God is with you alone]
[r. Isaiah 45:14 Or in]


15

Truly, You are a God who hides Himself,
God of Israel, Savior!


Not sure how others may feel about it, but the bowing here is not something I would interpret as volunteered, nor is the worship.

It is ascension to the Sovereignty of God.


16
They will be put to shame and even humiliated, all of them;
The manufacturers of idols will go away together in humiliation.

17

Israel has been saved by the Lord
With an everlasting salvation;
You will not be put to shame or humiliated
To all eternity.



Two groups: those who will go away in humiliation, and those who receive everlasting salvation—who will not be put to shame or humiliated forever.

Let's take a look at the verse of which it is said, "God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship"


23 I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.



Every knee will bow, every tongue confess.

Universal Salvation?


24 They will say of Me, ‘Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.’
People will come to Him,
And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.

25 In the Lord all the offspring of Israel
Will be justified and will boast.”



No, because of the two groups here (three if you look into the future and count all of the faithful that are heirs to the Promises through Jesus Christ) we have those who have been subdued by God through force, and those He redeemed.

While we might contrive an all-inclusive salvation from "all who were angry at Him will be put to shame," we would be forgetting their shame is everlasting, as also stated in Daniel 12:1-2.

We would be forgetting the context of the Chapter, as well as the Book, as well as the broader teaching of Scripture.


14 This is what the Lord says:

“The [o]products of Egypt and the merchandise of [p]Cush
And the Sabeans, men of stature,
Will come over to you and will be yours;

They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains
And will bow down to you;
They will plead with you:
‘[q]God certainly is [r]with you, and there is no one else,
No other God.’”



Who are they pleading with? With God in repentance?

No, they are pleading with their captors, those God has redeemed.

With the use of force.

That is what God says.

So I, for one, would have to disagree with the assertion that "God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship"


God bless.

Brilliant, and Great job, your argument does not refute apokatastasis. There is nothing in Isaiah that indicates God is forcing worship or confession. On the contrary, according to the Chapter of Isaiah 45, God is the creator and is sovereign over His creation.

If God truly forced worship and confession He would do so now, and everyone would be a faithful follower of Christ. And if your argument is true, and God is going to"force every knee and tongue to confess", it still ends up supporting Universalism.
 
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Whatever came on my new 6 mo old HP laptop. I have that problem periodically. It inserts random quote blocks [QU0TE] [/QU0TE] and nothing I do gets rid of them. I used zero instead of "O" to illustrate.

Can you delete them in the BB Code Editor?

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Can you delete them in the BB Code Editor?
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Never used BB code not sure how. When I delete them as I do text altho the quote block is/are gone the post acts like they are still there. The resulting effect is my response and the quoted post are one big quote.
 
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Brilliant, and Great job, your argument does not refute apokatastasis. There is nothing in Isaiah that indicates God is forcing worship or confession. On the contrary, according to the Chapter of Isaiah 45, God is the creator and is sovereign over His creation.
If God truly forced worship and confession He would do so now, and everyone would be a faithful follower of Christ. And if your argument is true, and God is going to"force every knee and tongue to confess", it still ends up supporting Universalism.
A person convinced against their will is of the the same opinion still.
See my [Post #88] <link above.
 
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Never used BB code not sure how. When I delete them as I do text altho the quote block is/are gone the post acts like they are still there. The resulting effect is my response and the quoted post are one big quote. Now I have strike thru that I can't delete.

You won't have to do anything different. When you're editing your post, just click on the BB Code Editor item and try deleting the quotes as you usually do and then save. It'll look slightly different and you'll see a few tags but just ignore that. It may not work but it may be worth a try.
 
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You won't have to do anything different. When you're editing your post, just click on the BB Code Editor item and try deleting the quotes as you usually do and then save. It'll look slightly different and you'll see a few tags but just ignore that. It may not work but it may be worth a try.
I was going to ask where is the BB code editor but I just found it. Will that work for the strike through?
Seems to work Thank you.
 
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You don't know your Bible only a bunch of out-of-context proof texts
The usual litany of out-of-context proof texts! Those versions with the word "allegiance." Find a parsed Greek NT and see if you can find a Greek word for that? It ain't there.
Every knee will bow etc. How many times is the phrase "until I make your enemies your foot stool" repeated? So after Jesus has made all His enemies His footstool they are going to jump up full of warm fuzzies and love Jesus? Where is the vs. where that happens? I can't find it.
Yes, indeed the word of God says every knee will bow. It is an important point it is repeated three times.

1. Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
2. Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
3. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Faithful believers will be bowing in faith, love and obedience. But the fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters, liars etc. will be forced to their knees and forced to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord. This is another important point, it is repeated seven times in scripture.
1. Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2. Matthew 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
3. Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
4. Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Luke 20:43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
5. Acts of the apostles 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts of the apostles 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
6. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
7. Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
They are forcibly "made" Jesus' footstool. That is NOT something they willingly did. What does “make your enemies your footstool” mean? Joshua tells us in Chap 10.
Joshua 10:17
(17) And it was told Joshua, [יהושׁע] saying, The five kings are found hid in a cave at Makkedah.

Joshua 10:22-24,27
22 Then said Joshua, Open the mouth of the cave, and bring out those five kings unto me out of the cave.
23 And they did so, and brought forth those five kings unto him out of the cave, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon.
24 And it came to pass, when they brought out those kings unto Joshua, that Joshua called for all the men of Israel, and said unto the captains of the men of war which went with him, Come near, put your feet upon the necks of these kings. And they came near, and put their feet upon the necks of them.
26 And afterward Joshua smote them, and slew them, and hanged them on five trees: and they were hanging upon the trees until the evening.
Joshua was an OT type of Jesus, he had the same name יהושׁע/yehoshua. What happened to the enemies of Joshua after they were made his footstool? They did not become part God’s chosen people.

You might want to reread the post and discover why it is you didn't understand it.

God bless.
 
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Brilliant, and Great job,

Hey, thanks!

;)

your argument does not refute apokatastasis.

No, it refutes your statement, "God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship."

Not a single statement I have made refutes Scripture. But all of them refute the use of the proof texts Universal Salvation teachers use. This is just one of them.


Isaiah 45:14
King James Version

14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.



Did these men of stature in chains worship God because of their own "free will?"

Or because God visited them with judgment?


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There is nothing in Isaiah that indicates God is forcing worship or confession.

Wishful thinking—a strong argument doth not make:


Isaiah 45:14
King James Version

14 Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.



The entire Chapter shows your teaching is in error:


Isaiah 45
King James Version

1 Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.



It is God, not men, that brings about the bowing of the knee.

No man or woman can even know of God apart from His intervention.

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On the contrary, according to the Chapter of Isaiah 45, God is the creator and is sovereign over His creation.

Correct. That was the entire point, lol.

And you deny that: "God does not force anyone to confess or bow in worship."

If God truly forced worship and confession He would do so now, and everyone would be a faithful follower of Christ.

Sorry, no. It is just a basic principle of the Bible that God reveals His will to men and judges them based on their response to that revealed will, regardless of the Age or the revelation given.


Romans 5:14
King James Version

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.



He is patient, waiting for men to be saved, that is why He has given men the time He has.

But one day every knee will bow in acknowledgement of Sovereign God, and it is not going to be a happy day for all:


Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.



Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.



Revelation 6:15-17
King James Version

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



One day all of mankind will bow the knee and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. Everyone.

And their repentance will be in fear of the judgment that comes upon them.

God will not force men to believe unto the saving of the soul, but he will force all men to believe.


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