More bad news for Trump

[BPPLEE]

No, the institutions have not changed - only the people's trust in them.

That's because of the people in charge and their behavior.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

That's because of the people in charge and their behavior.

No, the behavior of the people in charge has not changed - only the trust of many people. People on the left do not trust the Supreme Court and people on the right do not trust election officials. They trust law enforcement when it prosecutes Antifa and drug pushers, but not when it prosecutes white supremacists and insurrectionists. The extreme right trusts journalists when they present a negative picture of liberals, but not if they present right-wingers in a bad light. And to be clear, anyone who isn't an extremist, either on the left or the right, quickly finds himself irrelevant. That's the core reason for the distrust.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

That's because of the people in charge and their behavior.

You mean the Trump appointed head of the FBI?
Or could you even go back to your own purported career and tell us how much the political appointee at the head of the organization affected your personal performance?

 

[BPPLEE]

You mean the Trump appointed head of the FBI?
Or could you even go back to your own purported career and tell us how much the political appointee at the head of the organization affected your personal performance?

The elected official at the head of my department greatly affected my performance. When I arrested the drug dealer who was paying off his assistant chief and turned the investigation over to the AGs office he took me off the drug task force and reassigned me to patrol. The feds took the case on the drug dealer he got 20 years. The Assitant Chief was forced to resign but never charged. The Sherriff got reelected and I got screwed. So yeah he affected my performance.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

The elected official at the head of my department greatly affected my performance. When I arrested the drug dealer who was paying off his assistant chief and turned the investigation over to the AGs office he took me off the drug task force and reassigned me to patrol. The feds took the case on the drug dealer he got 20 years. The Assitant Chief was forced to resign but never charged. The Sherriff got reelected and I got screwed. So yeah he affected my performance.

Well that would explain your ambivalent attitude towards law enforcement, but it also points out the bigger problem with elected officials who claim whatever to their own ends. May not be pretty, but at least the feds were up to it in your case.

 

[RileyG]

it was only a matter of time

 

[BPPLEE]

Well that would explain your ambivalent attitude towards law enforcement, but it also points out the bigger problem with elected officials who claim whatever to their own ends. May not be pretty, but at least the feds were up to it in your case.

Yes I worked well with the Feds. Make a perfect case and they will take it. They wouldn't take one they thought they couldn't win.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Yeah not nearly as much as he ended up with.

It is quite profitable in our society to be unscrupulous.

 

[BPPLEE]

It is quite profitable in our society to be unscrupulous.

It seems to be working for Biden and his family.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It seems to be working for Biden and his family.

No it doesn't. Biden is worth only about $8 million. Trump, on the other hand, is estimated to have $3 billion. That's 375 times as much as Biden. Biden could have been much richer if he were not so dedicated to public service.

 

[NxNW]

It seems to be working for Biden and his family.

I'm unaware of any such examples.

 

[NxNW]

Trump, on the other hand, is estimated to have $3 billion.

That estimate came from his own mind, in which the name Trump is responsible for most of that figure. When pressed to document his net worth, Trump has never done so.

 

[BPPLEE]

No it doesn't. Biden is worth only about $8 million. Trump, on the other hand, is estimated to have $3 billion. That's 375 times as much as Biden. Biden could have been much richer if he were not so dedicated to public service.

His family has benefited greatly from his public service. Trump made his money before he became a politician

 

[BPPLEE]

Im

I'm unaware of any such examples.

I'm sure you are

 

[LeafByNiggle]

His family has benefited greatly from his public service. Trump made his money before he became a politician

You say this as if "politician" is automatically less moral than "real-estate developer". I would venture to say that on the whole, those who go into public service sacrifice a lot of potential earnings that they could have gotten in the private sector. The long list of people that Trump has gotten out of paying for their services is strong evidence of his unscrupulous approach to acquiring wealth. It is about time that he be called to account for something, instead of buying his way out of every problem.

 

[Pommer]

No, the behavior of the people in charge has not changed - only the trust of many people. People on the left do not trust the Supreme Court and people on the right do not trust election officials. They trust law enforcement when it prosecutes Antifa and drug pushers, but not when it prosecutes white supremacists and insurrectionists. The extreme right trusts journalists when they present a negative picture of liberals, but not if they present right-wingers in a bad light. And to be clear, anyone who isn't an extremist, either on the left or the right, quickly finds himself irrelevant. That's the core reason for the distrust.

What we are seeing is the effects of the constant anger that needs to be ginned up in order to motivate people to vote.
Well, anger (and especially) political anger is an addictive cycle; the only thing that can assuage this anger to to get everything “our side” wants. This, of course, never happens and the cycle continues.

Donald Trump was “hired” to shake things up: they are shook…now, what would we like to have happen next?

 

[Mountainmike]

I don’t have a skin in this game. I’m not USA

But trumps good sense is more and more vindicated .

eg He told EU they were far too dependent on Russia for energy, and far too cosy. They needed to treat putin as more of a threat.
The eu insulted him rather than listen. Look at Germany now.

Just as Pelosi is putting her size 9 boots into diplomatic relations in Taiwan, and even Northern Ireland. Trump is the only recent president not to start a war!

 

[Vylo]

I don’t have a skin in this game. I’m not USA

But trumps good sense is more and more vindicated .

eg He told EU they were far too dependent on Russia for energy, and far too cosy. They needed to treat putin as more of a threat.
The eu insulted him rather than listen. Look at Germany now.

Just as Pelosi is putting her size 9 boots into diplomatic relations in Taiwan, and even Northern Ireland. Trump is the only recent president not to start a war!

You forget that he also tried to prevent weapons deals to Ukraine to go through, which could have lead to their fall when Russia invaded.

Obama also told the EU they depended on Russian gas too much, 4 years prior. It doesn't look like they took either of them as seriously, though I can understand with Trump.

 

[BPPLEE]

You say this as if "politician" is automatically less moral than "real-estate developer". I would venture to say that on the whole, those who go into public service sacrifice a lot of potential earnings that they could have gotten in the private sector. The long list of people that Trump has gotten out of paying for their services is strong evidence of his unscrupulous approach to acquiring wealth. It is about time that he be called to account for something, instead of buying his way out of every problem.

I'm not so sure politicians sacrifice a lot of income. Pelosi for example.

 

[BPPLEE]

You forget that he also tried to prevent weapons deals to Ukraine to go through, which could have lead to their fall when Russia invaded.

Obama also told the EU they depended on Russian gas too much, 4 years prior. It doesn't look like they took either of them as seriously, though I can understand with Trump.

Obama also sent blankets to Ukraine when Russia invaded and annexed their territory. At least Trump sent weapons.