Trump Raid updates

[NxNW]

No, but there is the legal thing to do and the right thing to do.

The first one can be decided in court, but the second one is a matter of opinion, isn't it?

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

The first one can be decided in court, but the second one is a matter of opinion, isn't it?

Of course.

 

[wing2000]

Warrant and Receipt released:

The search warrant also reveals that FBI agents were looking for evidence relating to three statutes. The first, Section 793, applies to gathering, losing or sharing with an unauthorized person information that relates to national defense. Sections 2071 and 1519 address concealing, destroying or removing documents.

See the Warrant and Receipt here...
FBI collected multiple sets of classified documents from Trump's Mar-a-Lago home

 

[rjs330]

Right now we have a bunch of unknown stuff taken from Trumps residence.

The return just lists documents and boxes. There is a lot to play out here yet.

I know the left is just giddy over this. And in the end they might have a right to be.

But it's far from over.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Right now we have a bunch of unknown stuff taken from Trumps residence.

The return just lists documents and boxes. There is a lot to play out here yet.

I know the left is just giddy over this. And in the end they might have a right to be.

But it's far from over.

Far from being over, even though it stretches back 2,202 days since the FBI began investigating Trump on July 31, 2016.

 

[stevil]

I know the left is just giddy over this. And in the end they might have a right to be.

But it's far from over.

I don't think anyone is giddy about this.
Maybe DeSantis would be somewhat happy if removing Trump makes him next in line as the Republican candidate???

But, I think most sensible people (including "the left") would be worried about what Trump was doing with such documents? Was he sharing nuclear technology with USA adversaries? Was he selling nuclear secrets? What on earth was he doing with this stuff?

It's more of a worry than being giddy, wouldn't you think?

 

[rjs330]

I don't think anyone is giddy about this.
Maybe DeSantis would be somewhat happy if removing Trump makes him next in line as the Republican candidate???

But, I think most sensible people (including "the left") would be worried about what Trump was doing with such documents? Was he sharing nuclear technology with USA adversaries? Was he selling nuclear secrets? What on earth was he doing with this stuff?

It's more of a worry than being giddy, wouldn't you think?

If you have any thoughts that Trump had those documents and was selling or planning on selling those things with adversaries needs to go spend their time in conspiracy theories forums. Sounds like something Alex Jones would make up.

 

[grasping the after wind]

A free-society is messy, yes.

Free societies must remain civil to remain free.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I don't think anyone is giddy about this.
Maybe DeSantis would be somewhat happy if removing Trump makes him next in line as the Republican candidate???

But, I think most sensible people (including "the left") would be worried about what Trump was doing with such documents? Was he sharing nuclear technology with USA adversaries? Was he selling nuclear secrets? What on earth was he doing with this stuff?

It's more of a worry than being giddy, wouldn't you think?

What stuff are you referring to exactly? Have you seen the documents that were seized?

 

[stevil]

If you have any thoughts that Trump had those documents and was selling or planning on selling those things with adversaries needs to go spend their time in conspiracy theories forums. Sounds like something Alex Jones would make up.

I'm not claiming to know what the documents are about, at one point there was speculation about nuclear documents. Now there is speculation about a document being about the French President.

But your claim about "the left" being giddy is based on nothing and is not tethered to reality. People are worried about why Trump has classified documents, not giddy.

 

[Hank77]

Now there is speculation about a document being about the French President.

This isn't speculation, item 1A on the "Receipt for Property" says Info Re: President of France"

FBI collected multiple sets of classified documents from Trump's Mar-a-Lago home

 

[Pommer]

Free societies must remain civil to remain free.

The French have massive protests and even general-strikes and still do okay with being a free-society.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

But your claim about "the left" being giddy is based on nothing and is not tethered to reality. People are worried about why Trump has classified documents, not giddy.

To be fair, I've seen plenty of what I would characterize as "giddiness" in Twitter-space, but I wouldn't say that it's anywhere near the majority sentiment among the Left. I can understand why some people on the right might get that impression though, if their primary vision into the collective left-wing consciousness is what's trending on Twitter.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

What stuff are you referring to exactly? Have you seen the documents that were seized?

As much as I dislike the FBI I grant them that they are able to read stamps on documents that state that they are considered secret.
Your reason to disbelieve the FBI's basic reading ability?

 

[Belk]

If you have any thoughts that Trump had those documents and was selling or planning on selling those things with adversaries needs to go spend their time in conspiracy theories forums. Sounds like something Alex Jones would make up.

What do you think he was holding them for? What plausible purpose is there?

 

[rjs330]

What do you think he was holding them for? What plausible purpose is there?

You have no idea what the actual documents he had and what they said.

There is a conspiracy forum.

 

[rjs330]

This isn't speculation, item 1A on the "Receipt for Property" says Info Re: President of France"

FBI collected multiple sets of classified documents from Trump's Mar-a-Lago home

Yes and we have NO idea what's on the document.

 

[rjs330]

I'm not claiming to know what the documents are about, at one point there was speculation about nuclear documents. Now there is speculation about a document being about the French President.

But your claim about "the left" being giddy is based on nothing and is not tethered to reality. People are worried about why Trump has classified documents, not giddy.

Yes giddy. The very fact that we have people on speculating on what the documents are and that he's selling nuclear secrets to our adversaries is evidence they are just hoping beyond hope that what he was doing was really really bad.

 

[NotUrAvgGuy]

Yes giddy. The very fact that we have people on speculating on what the documents are and that he's selling nuclear secrets to our adversaries is evidence they are just hoping beyond hope that what he was doing was really really bad.

Of course, some are. That's politics. Were the Republicans no less giddy about Hillary's home email server? When there's a hint of blood, the sharks circle.

Trump did himself no favors while in office and since. He was one of the most vocal, crude, rude, and lacked all dignity. His attacks were vicious. He called people names and made more nasty comments than any president in my lifetime. Some people loved that. They were happy to see the gloves come off and someone just speak his mind. On the other hand, there is a certain expectation that the President of the United States will be dignified and take care of his/her tongue given they are representing our country to the world. Trump slung mud with the best of them.

So, should it be any surprise the media is circling like sharks around blood? That doesn't prove, one way or the other, if he is guilty of violating any laws. We will find out in time. I would not say all are giddy. I have read some very balanced, fact-based reporting on this. Even without their biases, the media is always looking for a sensational story to grab attention. When you become the POTUS, you know you are swimming with the sharks. Everything you say, do, or write is going to be put under a microscope along with your entire life. For Trump, or any politician, to say "they're out to get me" is foolish. Of course they are! Duh. That doesn't mean, however, that *everyone* is out to get you or that you've done nothing wrong. Trump intentionally escalates some of these situations to get publicity and try and score political points among his followers. Also politics as usual. Trump went out of his way to make enemies and belittle a lot of people. Now he's on the receiving end. What goes around, comes around.

Instead of speculating about motives and is this political, etc, let's just wait and see what is eventually released and what charges, if any, are brought. Right now it's just a media circus with very little factual information being released. If he did take and keep classified documents, then he broke the law. If you know your opponents are looking for any excuse to jump all over you, why give them material? He should have had people go through every scrap of paper he was thinking of taking home to make sure he did not inadvertently take home something he shouldn't have. Throughout his presidency, he was cavaliere about ignoring the document retention laws. He somehow felt he was above the law and could decide for himself. Well, it doesn't work that way and now he got caught. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

 

[Belk]

You have no idea what the actual documents he had and what they said.

There is a conspiracy forum.

So if you need to know the contents of the nuclear secrets to know what valid reason he might have for keeping them? Let me be the first to offer the idea that he had no valid reason to keep nuclear secrets.