Why do catholics pray to Mary

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The catholic church is not inspired.

Actually, if we accept the Nicene Creed, we probably should regard the Church Catholic, however we define it, whether we define it as an Invisible Church to which all Christians belong, or via a more specific ecclesiology, such as the Local Church ecclesiology favored by Baptists, the Papal Communion ecclesiology favored by Roman Catholics, the Cyprianic Apostolic Succession favored by the Eastern Orthodox and most Oriental Orthodox, or the Augustinian Apostolic Succession favored by some Old Catholics, some Anglicans, some Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrians, or some other ecclesiology, however we define the “one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” mentioned in the Creed, we should attribute to that Church those qualities that would ensure that, as our Lord promised, the gates of Hell cannot prevail against it.
 
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That would make the catholic church more important than God Himself.
Where was the catholic church when the Old Testament was written?
You are ascribing to ideology not theology.

During the period @Valletta is speaking of the Church was undivided by schism, so all current churches including Protestant churches including the Calvinists who your Fundamentalist church is derived from, are descended from that church, so regardless of how Catholicity is defined, that church was Catholic, although not I would argue Roman Catholic.

Also bear in mind that in 1 Corinthians 10 and elsewhere, the Church is identified as the Body of Christ, with our Lord as its Head. The Church is what unites us to Christ, because it is through Baptism and the Eucharist that we are grafted onto the Body of Christ, to become partakers of the Divine Nature.
 
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Actually, if we accept the Nicene Creed, we probably should regard the Church Catholic, however we define it, whether we define it as an Invisible Church to which all Christians belong, or via a more specific ecclesiology, such as the Local Church ecclesiology favored by Baptists, the Papal Communion ecclesiology favored by Roman Catholics, the Cyprianic Apostolic Succession favored by the Eastern Orthodox and most Oriental Orthodox, or the Augustinian Apostolic Succession favored by some Old Catholics, some Anglicans, some Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrians, or some other ecclesiology, however we define the “one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” mentioned in the Creed, we should attribute to that Church those qualities that would ensure that, as our Lord promised, the gates of Hell cannot prevail against it.
The body of Christ comprised of redeemed believers is the church catholic. That church does not make grandiose claims about the bible and claim to have given it life.
The body of Christ is composed of bricks and mortar. It is blood bought saints in submission to their Lord and Savior Christ.
 
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The body of Christ comprised of redeemed believers is the church catholic. That church does not make grandiose claims about the bible and claim to have given it life.
The body of Christ is composed of bricks and mortar. It is blood bought saints in submission to their Lord and Savior Christ.

You are describing one valid ecclesiology, but the one mistake you are making is denying that the Church was responsible for Scripture. The New Testament was written in and for the Church by the Apostles and Evangelists, and subsequently the exact books that comprise the canon were determined by the Church (largely in response to a false canon proposed by the heresiarch Marcion), with the final New Testament canon being promulgated by St. Athanasius the bishop of Alexandria in 367 AD.

Likewise the Old Testament was similarly edited, although a universal consensus on its proper contents was never reached, which is why the Ethiopians, the other Oriental Orthodox, the Eastern Orthodox, the Assyrians and the Roman Catholics have their own canons, and also there were several canons proposed in antiquity.

However, there is no reason for us to accept uncritically the canon of the Masoretic Text, given that neither John Calvin nor Thomas Cranmer accepted it. Calvin recognized Baruch as protocanon, whereas Cranmer and the Church of England accept the Deuterocanon for moral instruction and indeed regularly read them aloud at the services of Morning Prayer and Evensong. Anglicanism by the way is the largest Protestant denomination worldwide, with Lutheranism coming in second place followed by the Reformed churches. Lutheranism furthermore has an open canon.
 
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Why do you think it’s right to pray to Mary and other saints? What Bible verse has gave you the right to that?

Because they want to! It is a tradition. There are NO Scriptures to support this practice.

The idea of praying to a past loved one may bring momentary comfort, but they are not only misguided, they are also dangerous.

When people die, they do not become ghosts or angels. For those who follow Christ, their spirits are taken to be in His presence (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23).

Sadly, those who chose to reject Christ are tormented eternally = final judgment (Luke 16:22-23). There is nothing in the Bible to indicate that the dead have influence over events on earth. In fact, the Bible says that there are no grief, tears, or unhappiness in heaven (Revelation 21:4), which seems to preclude those in heaven from even knowing what is happening on earth.
 
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I would prefer not to discuss it here as I regard the Blessed Virgin Mary as the holiest of humans conceived with a human father, and I don’t wish to see any criticism of her or the prayers I offer thereof. If you are sincerely interested in learning about Marian devotion and what constitutes an appropriate prayer to the Theotokos, please PM me.

I must stress that we do not worship Our Lady; we venerate her, indeed, we venerate her more than anyone else, but we do not offer worship or adoration, which is an important distinction, for these are due only to God, and the Blessed Virgin recognizes that.

Now, there are some cults that actually worshipped Mary, or continue to do so. Two spring to mind: the fourth century Collyridians, documented by St. Epiphanius of Salamis in his fourth century encyclopedia of heresies, the Panarion, or Medicine Chest. That group is obviously long extinct, but more recently there is a group that appeared in the 1970s in Spain at El Palmar de Troya, the Christian Palmarian Church of the Carmelites of the Holy Face, also known as the Palmarian Catholic Church. Initially, they were a group associated with the Traditional Latin Mass, and believed based on visions by one of their two cofounders that Pope Paul VI was being held captive and had been replaced by an impersonator.

The madness got worse however, when the “visionary” declared himself Pope Gregory XVII, and began departing substantially from normative Christian doctrine, while imposing a strict cult condition and exploiting members for free labor. Meanwhile, again, due to revelations, he declared that the Blessed Virgin Mary is also present in the Eucharist, which is not the case in Roman Catholic, Orthodox or traditional Protestant theology (for example, that of the Lutherans, who do believe our Lord is physically present in the Eucharist). He also stripped the Mass down to an extremely brief, minimalistic service and ordained an extremely large number of bishops, each of whom had to serve mass at least daily, and despite its relatively large size, their ornate basillica in El Palmar de Troya would still have become cramped. The people in the cult became sleep deprived.

Later, he began working on rewriting the Bible to reinforce the bizarre Palmarian doctrines, before his death in 2004, when he was succeeded by Pope Peter II, who was succeeded around 2010 by a particularly nasty character, Pope Gregory XVIII, who later, to his credit, resigned, declaring the cult to be a fraud; their current primate is Pope Peter III.

The cult has become quite notorious in Europe, due to its financial exploitation of members and its practice of Scientology-style shunning. Fortunately, its membership has declined dramatically from what it once was, much like what has happened to Christian Science (which is far larger, and probably more dangerous, due to the fact that Christian Science teaches its members to avoid using doctors and medicine, and to instead pay a “Christian Science Practitioner” to pray for you. Jim Henson was raised in that cult, and while he did leave it, many believe it left in him a deeply ingrained fear of doctors, and this is believed to be the reason why he did not seek medical treatment for the sore throat (a strep infection) which would ultimately kill him at a tragically young age in the early 1990s.

It would seem to me that you would want to talk about May as much as you could as you hold her up to a higher plane than anyone elde.

Of course you are free to do that. However, the Bible DOES NOT place Mary as high as you do. She is placed with all the other woman of history as God said "You are blessed AMONG women".

Now as to the thread itself.........Praying to the dead is unbiblical. The Bible condemns it as both useless and dangerous. Very often, personal issues are left unresolved when a loved one dies. Those left behind may wish to speak the words they needed to say beforehand, in hopes that the dead can hear. But the dead cannot hear.

Instead, speak to the only One Who can bring closure to our own hearts. Tell God how you feel, what you think about the other person, and whatever regrets you may have. Jesus is the only mediator we need; because of His sacrifice "Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need" (Hebrews 4:16). The power of Christ in us brings healing, not the involvement of the dead.
 
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What Bible verse has forbidden it? I don’t practice it myself but at the same time I understand their reasoning behind it which is understandable. They believe the Saints are very much alive and well with The Father and are able to offer prayers of supplication on their behalf. I don’t see anything wrong with the practice I just don’t practice it because I see no need to pray to Mary or the Saints since I can pray directly to God.

Deut. 18:10-12 is the Scripture you asked for..............
"There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you."

Lev. 19:31
“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God."

"Necromancy" = the practice of magic or black magic involving communication with the dead.
 
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Doesnt praying to saints defeat the whole point of Jesus?

14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

1Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we a have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

If we can now come to the throne of God because of what Jesus did for us, then wouldnt praying to saints because you are not holy enough be a form of blasphemy. Isnt it undoing the work of God?

God sends the most holy sacrafice to cover our sins, so that we can come and pray to him, and then we go and say that sacrafice isnt good enough, so we turn to past saints to pray for us instead.

YES it does.
 
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We ask people to pray for us all the time. The faithful dead are not dead; why shouldn't they pray for us now? And who is to be honored more among the living dead than the Theotokos? I'm not Catholic, but I would not begrudge the Theotokos praying for me. Please, pray for me.

May I say to you that even before we pray, God knows our genuine needs and knows them better than we do. Not only does He know our needs, but He answers our prayers according to His perfect will.

So, in order for a dead person to receive prayers, the dead individual has to hear the prayer, possess the power to answer it, and know how to answer it in a way that is best for the individual praying.

Do you know of ANY Bible Scripture which YOU can post to validate that fact?????

You see, Only God hears and answers prayer because of His perfect essence and because of what some theologians call His “immanence.” Immanence is the quality of God that causes Him to be directly involved with the affairs of mankind (1 Timothy 6:14-15); this includes answering prayer.
 
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I love it when people jump into a thread without understanding that their posts were already addressed in the thread long before they joined in.

Thank you!

The idea idea of prayer for the dead is very misguided.

If the dead person was a believer, they are in heaven and they have no more suffering or pain or tears. There is nothing that anyone could pray for them.

If they were not believers, it is too late. DEATH closes the door to grace.

The final situation that most often brings up the question of praying for the dead is related to retroactive petitionary prayer—a subcategory of "backward causation." Is it appropriate to pray for the salvation of someone who has died under ambiguous spiritual circumstances? If we didn't know if he was saved or not, could we pray retroactively that he was? Since the outcome is unclear to the survivors, and since God lives outside of our time, it would make sense that we could ask God to have worked in the life of someone who has died. Such a prayer could also be offered regarding physical comfort, for example, to pray that someone's sudden death was painless.
 
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It would seem to me that you would want to talk about May as much as you could as you hold her up to a higher plane than anyone elde.

Of course you are free to do that. However, the Bible DOES NOT place Mary as high as you do. She is placed with all the other woman of history as God said "You are blessed AMONG women".

Now as to the thread itself.........Praying to the dead is unbiblical. The Bible condemns it as both useless and dangerous. Very often, personal issues are left unresolved when a loved one dies. Those left behind may wish to speak the words they needed to say beforehand, in hopes that the dead can hear. But the dead cannot hear.

Instead, speak to the only One Who can bring closure to our own hearts. Tell God how you feel, what you think about the other person, and whatever regrets you may have. Jesus is the only mediator we need; because of His sacrifice "Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need" (Hebrews 4:16). The power of Christ in us brings healing, not the involvement of the dead.

The importance of the Blessed Virgin Mary as the Mother of God cannot be overstated, for she points to her Son, our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ and commands obedience of Him, as we see at the Wedding Feast in Cana. So yes, I do venerate our glorious Lady, the Theotokos and Ever Virgin Mary, more than anyone else; she is a loving mother to all Christians and the means by which Christ our God became human, and as His mother had a closer relationship with Him than anyone else.

As regards your other points, for example, your erroneous assertion that St. Mary is dead when she is, with all the Church Triumphant, alive in Christ, but especially so, for like Elijah and a few others, she was taken bodily into Heaven, all of these have been addressed previously in the thread as my dear friend @prodromos pointed out, and I encourage you to read the thread to obtain an orthodox response to your concern.

Lastly, it pleases me to note that in praying to the blessed Virgin Mary I am following in the footsteps of the first Protestants: Saints Jan Hus and Jerome of Prague, who are also venerated as martyrs by the Eastern Orthodox Church of the Czech Lands and Slovakia, and also Martin Luther. And in affirming her perpetual virginity, I am joining the ranks of not only Luther, but Thomas Cranmer, John Calvin and John and Charles Wesley.
 
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I love it when people jump into a thread without understanding that their posts were already addressed in the thread long before they joined in.

Or perhaps when people rather than taking note of an advisory such as yours proceed to ignore the very replies you are referring to?
 
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May I say to you that even before we pray, God knows our genuine needs and knows them better than we do. Not only does He know our needs, but He answers our prayers according to His perfect will.

So, in order for a dead person to receive prayers, the dead individual has to hear the prayer, possess the power to answer it, and know how to answer it in a way that is best for the individual praying.

Do you know of ANY Bible Scripture which YOU can post to validate that fact?????

You see, Only God hears and answers prayer because of His perfect essence and because of what some theologians call His “immanence.” Immanence is the quality of God that causes Him to be directly involved with the affairs of mankind (1 Timothy 6:14-15); this includes answering prayer.

Your concerns have been more than adequately addressed by @The Liturgist above.
 
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and also Martin Luther. And in affirming her perpetual virginity, I am joining the ranks of not only Luther, but Thomas Cranmer, John Calvin and John and Charles Wesley
God Bless.
 
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God Bless.

And also needless to say, the many pious Roman Catholic saints and theologians of the Scholastic and Patristic eras. My point was of course that Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism and traditional Protestantism (such as Lutheranism and Anglicanism) are united in veneration of the Theotokos.

By the way, I have a very great admiration for St. Dominic, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Clare of Assisi, the Seven Saints who founded the Servite order, St. Bernard of Clairvaux and St. Bruno of the Carthusians, and also the heroes of the Trinitarian and Mercedarian Friars, who offered themselves as human ransoms in order to free Christians abducted by savage Muslim pirates from coastal roads and ships in the Mediterranean.
 
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