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If you want me to quote just the part that I'm responding to, please make very short posts.

It's very difficult for me to deal with long posts on my cell phone, especially the particular model that I have.

Just attempting to copy a section of a long post can be very frustrating.

Ok, sorry about that, I'll group it into smaller posts.
 
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The main stated goal is to honor the resurrection, though there are a number of other motivations, such as there being times when early Christians met on the 1st day, though that doesn't mean that they weren't also continuing to keep the 7th day holy. But regardless of their goal, the fact remains that God commanded His people to keep the 7th day holy and did not command to keep a different day holy instead. Jesus also set a sinless example of how to keep the 7th day holy and taught how to keep it holy through his interactions with the Pharisees on the topic, we are told to follow his example, and he did not command to keep a different day holy instead. So are we doing what God has commanded in accordance with what Christ taught by word and by example?
Most Christians have been able to differentiate between the old covenant God made though Moses to the Israelites, and the new covenant God made though Jesus to the entire world from the beginning of the 1st century. A few Christians decided to try blending them together in the 19th and 20th century.
I said nothing about it not being ok to keep the whole law or about dismissing hundreds of laws just as long as we go to church on Saturday, but rather I made the point that he was encouraging them to repent and to do a better job of obeying the law more consistently, though even if I were taking the position that we should dismiss hundreds on laws and only need to keep the 7th day holy, that wouldn't mean that I was wrong about whether we should keep the 7th day holy. Furthermore, James was speaking to people who had faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, so he was speaking to New Covenant believers:

James 2:1 My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory.
Diligently keeping one law and dismissing hundreds of others, isn't going to cut it as an old covenant law keeper. If you're not keeping the whole Law, then you are breaking all of the Law. That's just the way it is.
 
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Well lets let it rest...

I keep posing questions that are ignored.

Your responses are sadly indicating an inability to dialogue.

I will stick to Romans 14. Acts 15 and Heb 4 with a clear conscience.

You will enjoy your Sabbath and be deaf to what God may be doing among others in the Body.

Worse you will judge them as hell bound.

No thanks to the founders of this mess and the sad division it has caused in His Body.

God help us all.
 
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Most Christians have been able to differentiate between the old covenant God made though Moses to the Israelites, and the new covenant God made though Jesus to the entire world from the beginning of the 1st century. A few Christians decided to try blending them together in the 19th and 20th century.

I do differentiate between the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant and have said nothing about blending them together. In Jeremiah 31:31-33 does not say that the New Covenant is made with the whole world, but that it is made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, and furthermore, it says that involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, yet people want to become part of the New Covenant without becoming joined to Israel through faith in Christ while also teaching against following the Torah. Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Torah, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), yet people what to become his followers while refusing to follow his example.

Diligently keeping one law and dismissing hundreds of others, isn't going to cut it as an old covenant law keeper. If you're not keeping the whole Law, then you are breaking all of the Law. That's just the way it is.

If we break any law and become a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and to return to obedience through faith, which again is precisely what James was encouraging them to do. Again, James was speaking to people under the New Covenant and I have been speaking in regard to the way to live under the New Covenant.

No one reads unnecessarily long posts. You're wasting your time by not being concise.

Would you prefer if I were respond by writing one long post that addressed 10 issues or would you prefer if I wrote 10 posts that each addressed one issue? I personally find it easier to respond to one long post than to keep track of multiple posts, but if they have an issue with their phone, then I can do it the other way.
 
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Please quote just what you responding to rather than quoting my entire post to repond with a line.. In any case, Psalms 119:160, all of God's righteous laws are eternal, so that is something that is directedly stated. So any instructions that God has ever given for how to do what is righteous are eternally valid, and if that were to ever change, then all of God's righteous laws would not be eternal. For example, the circumstances under which sex counts as adultery can change, but it will always be against God's nature to commit adultery.



In Deuteronomy 10:12-16, God wanted His people to circumcise their hearts and obey His commandments. In Deuteronomy 30:1-8, it prophesies about a time when the Israelites would return from exile, God would circumcise their hearts, and they would return to obedience to the Torah. In Ezekiel 36:26-27 and Jeremiah 31:33, the content is in regard to the Israelites returning from exile and the New Covenant, where God will take away our hearts of stone, give us hearts of flesh, and send His Spirit to lead us to obey the Torah, and where He will put the Torah in our minds and write it on our hearts, so they are describing God circumcising our hearts by means of the Spirit. In Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Torah, which is the same way to tell for a Jew, and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Torah.



The issue of whether or not it is idolatry to eat meat offered to idols from the altar to to eat at home meat that had previously been offered to idols is a different topic than issue of whether we are permitted to eat unclean animals. Paul said nothing about eating unclean animals, so you should not insert that into what he was talking about and then interpret him as speaking against obeying what God has commanded. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man man, so when God has spoken against eating unclean animals, then even if it were a correct interpretation that Paul was speaking against obeying God, then we must obey God rather than Paul.



I'm pretty sure, though I'd have to look more into it. I know that provisions were made for people who were traveling from far away to exchange their tithe for money to be used to purchase what they needed when they God to the place where God would put His name, but it is not clear that it is meant for those outside of the land. A number of laws are conditional about living in the land.



I'm not sure what you are asking about today being what. People should join communities of believers and live in accordance with the rulings of the authorities of that community so that there is unity rather than everyone deciding for themselves.



Sorry about that.
So... big picture, it all comes down to who has the authority to interpret Torah, or a passage about Torah. That's what I was getting at at the end, there: who is the God-appointed authority today to say what the meaning of a Torah passage is? Because we can debate meanings indefinitely... and it says in Titus 3 to avoid disputes about the law.

I don't think it solves the problem just to say Find a community and submit to their leadership. Who then is responsible for finding the community? It's back to the individual.

Every Christian community I know of claims to have the right approach to Torah.

Someone may say That's a problem for all Christians about everything in the Bible. And that's true.

The vast majority of Christians I know of solve this as it relates to Torah by taking a loose approach. They may put it different ways, they may say something like We are not under the law. In practice, it's the same thing as a loose approach imo.

But if the idea is that God has a set of laws that must be kept very carefully, then where is the God-appointed authority?
 
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Well lets let it rest...

I keep posing questions that are ignored.

Your responses are sadly indicating an inability to dialogue.

I will stick to Romans 14. Acts 15 and Heb 4 with a clear conscience.

You will enjoy your Sabbath and be deaf to what God may be doing among others in the Body.

Worse you will judge them as hell bound.

No thanks to the founders of this mess and the sad division it has caused in His Body.

God help us all.

In Hebrews 3-4, they did not enter into God's rest because of their disobedience and unbelief and in Ezekiel 20:13, it specifically mentioned that they greatly profaned God's Sabbaths. In Hebrews 4:9-11, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, whoever enters Gods rest must rest from their works as God did from his, and we should strive to enter into that rest so that no one may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so entering into God's rest should not be used to try to justify the same sort of disobedience. So I'm also sticking to Romans 14, Acts 15, and Hebrews 4, but I do not interpret God's word as speaking against obeying God's word as if a house divided against itself could stand. You should be more concerned with those who are creating division by teaching against obeying what God has commanded than with those who are calling for repentance in accordance with the Gospel. I do not judge anyone as being hell bound, though I can assure people that they will be far better off if they repent.

In Romans 14, there are weak Christians whose conscience is not informed in a mature way, where their conscience won't let them do what they really would be free to do, so our conscience does not replace God's law, but rather it needs to be informed by it. Someone's conscience can be so misinformed that their glory is in their shame (Philippians 3:19), where both their mind and their conscience are defiled (Titus 1:15). So the first way to destroy the work of conscience is to misinform it where you don't give it the true Law of God and the second way is to silence it when it speaks. In 1 Timothy 4:2, Paul spoke about a wounded or seared conscience, and a good indicator of this is if someone doesn't feel convicted about continuing to do what God has revealed in His law to be sin.
 
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In Hebrews 3-4, they did not enter into God's rest because of their disobedience and unbelief and in Ezekiel 20:13, it specifically mentioned that they greatly profaned God's Sabbaths. In Hebrews 4:9-11, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, whoever enters Gods rest must rest from their works as God did from his, and we should strive to enter into that rest so that no one may fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so entering into God's rest should not be used to try to justify the same sort of disobedience. So I'm also sticking to Romans 14, Acts 15, and Hebrews 4, but I do not interpret God's word as speaking against obeying God's word as if a house divided against itself could stand. You should be more concerned with those who are creating division by teaching against obeying what God has commanded than with those who are calling for repentance in accordance with the Gospel. I do not judge anyone as being hell bound, though I can assure people that they will be far better off if they repent.

In Romans 14, there are weak Christians whose conscience is not informed in a mature way, where their conscience won't let them do what they really would be free to do, so our conscience does not replace God's law, but rather it needs to be informed by it. Someone's conscience can be so misinformed that their glory is in their shame (Philippians 3:19), where both their mind and their conscience are defiled (Titus 1:15). So the first way to destroy the work of conscience is to misinform it where you don't give it the true Law of God and the second way is to silence it when it speaks. In 1 Timothy 4:2, Paul spoke about a wounded or seared conscience, and a good indicator of this is if someone doesn't feel convicted about continuing to do what God has revealed in His law to be sin.

Enjoy your interpretations.

I will enjoy the Word of the Author which doesn't need interpretation.

Have a great day and thanks for your interesting contributions.
 
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I will enjoy the Word of the Author which doesn't need interpretation.
Brother, happy Sabbath! You don't follow the words of the Author which do not need interpretation! Jesus frees us from the slavery of sin by separating sin from our character through the new birth of learning our way anew thanks to a cycle of forgiveness that is now done faster with Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple than the slower animal sacrifices in the earthly temple "copy" before Jesus. What He started with Israel with the Ten Commandments is what He continues with the faster cycle of forgiveness from Jesus as our High Priest, as Jesus tells us in the following passage. This faster cycle of forgiveness allows us to "surpass" His previous Ten Commandments by Jesus adding an Eleventh Commandment. In fact, since Jesus obeyed the Ten Commandments and we are to "follow" His example in the Eleventh Commandment, all of the previous commandments are included in the Eleventh Commandment. Jesus' new commandment surpasses His previous commandments in the new covenant with an additional commandment that was not possible before Jesus: to "follow" His example.

Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Only God is truly good. But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’” The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.” When Jesus heard his answer, he said, “There is still one thing you haven’t done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Luke 18:18-22 NLT)​

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I do differentiate between the Mosaic Covenant and the New Covenant and have said nothing about blending them together. In Jeremiah 31:31-33 does not say that the New Covenant is made with the whole world, but that it is made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, and furthermore, it says that involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, yet people want to become part of the New Covenant without becoming joined to Israel through faith in Christ while also teaching against following the Torah. Christ set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Torah, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6), yet people what to become his followers while refusing to follow his example.
Jesus knew and kept every single last Mitzvah. You don't. So Christianity can't be applied that way. The fact that you can't keep the whole law as Jesus did, is the reason why Christianity was put in place.
If we break any law and become a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and to return to obedience through faith, which again is precisely what James was encouraging them to do. Again, James was speaking to people under the New Covenant and I have been speaking in regard to the way to live under the New Covenant.
Your version of living under the New Covenant, is to live according to the Old Covenant. It just doesn't add up, as 99 out of 100 Christians will tell you.
 
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Jesus knew and kept every single last Mitzvah. You don't. So Christianity can't be applied that way. The fact that you can't keep the whole law as Jesus did, is the reason why Christianity was put in place.

While we fall short of perfectly following Christ's example, followers of Christ should still seek to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). The fact that repentance has value means that we don't need to have perfect obedience. Do you affirm that Christians should walk in God's way in accordance with following Christ's example?

Your version of living under the New Covenant, is to live according to the Old Covenant. It just doesn't add up, as 99 out of 100 Christians will tell you.

The New Covenant is based on better promises and a superior mediator, but it is still made with the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to express His eternal nature. For example, it was against God's eternal righteousness to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9 long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, and it remains sinful after it has become obsolete, so there is nothing about whether or not someone is under the Mosaic Covenant that changes whether or not it is against God's eternal nature to commit adultery, so that command is eternally valid. There is no particular reason why we should expect the New Covenant to involve following a different set of laws as if they were arbitrarily changed up between covenants.

In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involved God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, yet most Christian are taught that the New Covenant doesn't involve following the Torah, which indeed does not add up, so please explain to me why that makes sense to you.
 
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While we fall short of perfectly following Christ's example, followers of Christ should still seek to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). The fact that repentance has value means that we don't need to have perfect obedience. Do you affirm that Christians should walk in God's way in accordance with following Christ's example?
Not if that's supposed to mean trying to live under Old Covenant Law.
The New Covenant is based on better promises and a superior mediator, but it is still made with the same God with the same nature and therefore the same instructions for how to express His eternal nature. For example, it was against God's eternal righteousness to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9 long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, and it remains sinful after it has become obsolete, so there is nothing about whether or not someone is under the Mosaic Covenant that changes whether or not it is against God's eternal nature to commit adultery, so that command is eternally valid. There is no particular reason why we should expect the New Covenant to involve following a different set of laws as if they were arbitrarily changed up between covenants.

In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involved God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, yet most Christian are taught that the New Covenant doesn't involve following the Torah, which indeed does not add up, so please explain to me why that makes sense to you.
What orthodox Christianity has taught along those lines for 2000 years makes perfect sense. Why some aren't satisfied with that and feel they need to follow something else that's contrary doesn't make much sense. Other than the general understanding that some feel need to do break away from convention, do things differently, be unique, go against the grain etc.
 
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Not if that's supposed to mean trying to live under Old Covenant Law.

So when Jesus set an example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and under the New Covenant we are told to follow his example and to walk in the same way he walked, then why is that contrary to living under the Mosaic Law? It is contradictory to want to be a follower of God while not wanting to walk in His way or to want to be a follower of Christ while not wanting to follow his example.

What orthodox Christianity has taught along those lines for 2000 years makes perfect sense. Why some aren't satisfied with that and feel they need to follow something else that's contrary doesn't make much sense. Other than the general understanding that some feel need to do break away from convention, do things differently, be unique, go against the grain etc.

It is a logically fallacy to presume that a proposition must be true because most/many believe it to be true. If 99/100 Christians independently reach the same conclusion about how a verse should be interpreted, then it should be a simple matter to explain how they reached that conclusion, which is what I am wanting you to do with Jeremiah 31:33, and which you are refusing to do.
 
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Brother, Jesus clearly tells us that He added "ONE" more commandment, without removing the previous Ten Commandments to "what should I do to inherit eternal life". The new Eleventh Commandment to "follow" Jesus' example was not possible before Jesus and thus the Eleven Commandments are "what should I do to inherit eternal life" in the new covenant.

Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Only God is truly good. But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’” The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.” When Jesus heard his answer, he said, “There is still ONE thing you haven’t done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Luke 18:18-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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So when Jesus set an example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and under the New Covenant we are told to follow his example and to walk in the same way he walked, then why is that contrary to living under the Mosaic Law? It is contradictory to want to be a follower of God while not wanting to walk in His way or to want to be a follower of Christ while not wanting to follow his example.
Jesus kept the Old Covenant Law that no one else has ever been able to keep, to fulfil its requirements and usher in the New Covenant through his blood. You're supposed to know all of that already.
It is a logically fallacy to presume that a proposition must be true because most/many believe it to be true. If 99/100 Christians independently reach the same conclusion about how a verse should be interpreted, then it should be a simple matter to explain how they reached that conclusion, which is what I am wanting you to do with Jeremiah 31:33, and which you are refusing to do.
It is a logical fallacy to presume a latter day rouge splinter faction must be true because a handful of people insist they're right and everyone else is wrong. I didn't realize you were trying to get me to do something. Obviously Christianity as a whole has always viewed Jeremiah 31:33 differently from the way a rouge splinter faction would view it.
 
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OK this is what I said when things turned to custard...

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Are you saying that God can't inspire His Saints to righteousness.

They have to read ancient rules for an ancient culture and follow them to the letter to be righteous or be damned?

What happened to God in us inspiring us to righteousness?

God inspired Jesus to righteousness.

Jesus broke the rules as the religious of the day perceived them.
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Now this last line above was the issue.

Looking at Mark 2...

23 And it happened that He was passing through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples began to make their way along while picking the heads of grain. 24 The Pharisees were saying to Him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” 25 And He *said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and he and his companions became hungry; 26 how he entered the house of God in the time of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the consecrated bread, which is not lawful for anyone to eat except the priests, and he also gave it to those who were with him?” 27 Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.”

Here we see the prevailing opinion of the religious leaders regarding the Law being dismissed by Jesus.

However He says more than that.

The author of the Law has higher authority than the Law itself.

So if new covenant believers are indwelled by the Author of the Law, then His Living Word within is better than the written Law which was subject to human interpretation.
Yet the bases is the written law itself. For that is what was prophesied to be in our hearts, minds and mouths.
Actually it was never meant be on parchment and tablets of stone. Israel chose that covenant.

Exod 20:18 All the people were seeing the thundering and the lightning, and heard the sound of the horn, and saw the mountain smoking – and when the people saw it they trembled with fear and kept their distance.
Exod 20:19 They said to Moses, “You speak to us and we will listen, but do not let God speak with us, lest we die.”
 
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Again, the Bible directly says that all of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so that is not a matter of perception. For example, it is eternally against God's righteousness to commit murder and the circumstances under which killing someone counts are murder will never change, but whether it is right to kill someone is circumstantial. We are held innocent if in the middle of the night we strike a thief who broke in and they die and that will never change to becoming guilty if we do that. Likewise, if it were to ever change so that it became in accordance with God's righteousness to commit murder, then God's righteousness would not be eternal. We can be confident regardless of which covenant someone is under, if any, and no matter how many covenants God makes or that become obsolete that it will always be sinful to commit murder.



Jesus said that not the least part would disappear until heaven and earth disappear and that all is accomplished, which are either both referring to end times (Revelation 21:1) or are idioms for saying that it is never going to happen. Instructions for how to act in accordance with God's righteousness can't be abolished through first abolishing God's eternal righteousness.



Why?

1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.



66 laws is still a much easier starting point than 613 laws. Do you think that 66 laws is too many for mature Gentiles believers to be able to keep?




In Acts 15:19, the point was to not make things too difficult for new believers who are turning to God, so that at least raises the question of whether it was intended to be an exhaustive list for mature believers or whether there is room for new believers to mature in their faith and learn more about how to love God and walk in His way by hearing Moses taught every Sabbath in the synagogues (Acts 15:21). Furthermore, there is evidence in places like 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Galatians 5:19-21 where Gentiles were expected to obey more than just the four things listed in Acts 15:20.



Indeed, we should not practice those things as a lifestyle, though the point still remains that there are more than the four things listed in Acts 15:20 that Gentiles are required to refrain from doing or else they will not inherit the Kingdom.



Please give some examples where you justify your disagreement about how to apply it today.



Didache 6:2 For if you are able to bear all the yoke of the Lord, you will be perfect; but if you are not able, what you are able that do.

In Deuteronomy 17:8-13, it forms the basis for the oral Torah. The verses that I cited for Paul instructing people to follow the traditions that they instructed refer to Jewish traditionary law, or in other words oral Torah. People should follow the Torah in the way that the elders of their community teach. The pilgrim festivals are also connected with the temple, and laws in regard to temple practice apply only when there is a temple in which to practice them.




Please explain why interpretations of Paul where he was teaching against obeying what God has commanded should be preferred over interpretations of Paul where he was teaching in accordance with what God has commanded. Paul was a servant of God, so he should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying what He has commanded. Two people can have different interpretations about how to correctly obey what God has commanded while still being in complete agreement that followers of God should follow what God has commanded, so those are two separate issues that should not be blurred.
Lots of great points in your post there. It's too long for me to answer on my cell phone. Which point would you like me to start with?
 
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Brother, happy Sabbath! You don't follow the words of the Author which do not need interpretation! Jesus frees us from the slavery of sin by separating sin from our character through the new birth of learning our way anew thanks to a cycle of forgiveness that is now done faster with Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple than the slower animal sacrifices in the earthly temple "copy" before Jesus. What He started with Israel with the Ten Commandments is what He continues with the faster cycle of forgiveness from Jesus as our High Priest, as Jesus tells us in the following passage. This faster cycle of forgiveness allows us to "surpass" His previous Ten Commandments by Jesus adding an Eleventh Commandment. In fact, since Jesus obeyed the Ten Commandments and we are to "follow" His example in the Eleventh Commandment, all of the previous commandments are included in the Eleventh Commandment. Jesus' new commandment surpasses His previous commandments in the new covenant with an additional commandment that was not possible before Jesus: to "follow" His example.

Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Only God is truly good. But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’” The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.” When Jesus heard his answer, he said, “There is still one thing you haven’t done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Luke 18:18-22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Brother, how is our cycle faster? Because it can be done everyday?

If that's the case, couldn't a wealthy person who lived close to the tent / Temple sacrifice every day? Or was there a frequency limit?

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Not if that's supposed to mean trying to live under Old Covenant Law.

What orthodox Christianity has taught along those lines for 2000 years makes perfect sense. Why some aren't satisfied with that and feel they need to follow something else that's contrary doesn't make much sense. Other than the general understanding that some feel need to do break away from convention, do things differently, be unique, go against the grain etc.
I think one reason why people like to break away from the larger group is the work of the flesh known as divisions or sects. (Not saying that anybody here is or isn't doing that.)

It's possible to get a great feeling if you think that you have learned something or come to understand something about the scriptures that most Christians don't.

It's kind of a high, like finding a special bargain.
 
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