Please help... Evangelist Jailed !!!

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What is going on the the US ?????
Usually a fair trial. No need to lose hope yet. Investigations
take time and are done close to the vest. If there are facts
that actually implicate him, they will eventually be made
public. Hold all conspiracies!
 
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Torban Søndergaard well known evangelist jailed on false charges.

Street preacher accused of smuggling arms from Mexico | God Reports

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Charges of gun smuggling dropped but still detained for being a "National Security Threat !!!"

What is going on the the US ?????
Torban is not a legal immigrant. He does not have citizenship or a green card allowing permanent residency. There is a large group of Americans complaining constantly about illegal immigration coming from the Mexican border. Illegal immigrants also came by plane overstaying temporary visas. I suppose there were some border crossings by Torban’s followers that attracted the attention of the immigration police, but am not sure if his followers were crossing legally or illegally. If his request for asylum is denied, Torban will be deported to his home country of Denmark. Denmark is not known as a persecutor of Christians any more than Australia or New Zealand are. The Lutheran religion is tolerated by the nation of Denmark.
 
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Torban is not a legal immigrant. He does not have citizenship or a green card allowing permanent residency. There is a large group of Americans complaining constantly about illegal immigration coming from the Mexican border. Illegal immigrants also came by plane overstaying temporary visas. I suppose there were some border crossings by Torban’s followers that attracted the attention of the immigration police, but am not sure if his followers were crossing legally or illegally. If his request for asylum is denied, Torban will be deported to his home country of Denmark. Denmark is not known as a persecutor of Christians any more than Australia or New Zealand are. The Lutheran religion is tolerated by the nation of Denmark.

Are you aware of the charges against him in Denmark that precipitated him seeking asylum in the US ???

Folks were being healed and the health ministry demanded he had a medical credential !!!

He had to exit Denmark to avoid jail on the grounds of practicing medicine without a practicing certificate there.
 
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Are you aware of the charges against him in Denmark that precipitated him seeking asylum in the US ???

Folks were being healed and the health ministry demanded he had a medical credential !!!

He had to exit Denmark to avoid jail on the grounds of practicing medicine without a practicing certificate there.
That happened with Smith Wigglesworth, a plumber turned evangelist. He was able to quote scriptures with some eloquence. He spoke at revival meetings. There he told people they were healed. He confessed some were not healed right away, but later. One man said out loud, “I am not healed.” Smith traveled around Europe. He was arrested in one nation for practicing medicine without a license. He preached to the authorities and they released him, but he had to leave the country. There was a case where a woman was possessed by a spirit and told to go to a train station where she would meet someone. No one arrived to meet her. She had been tempted by a false voice in her head. Smith claimed he had cast some of these type spirits out. Smith retired to his house and was interviewed by a writer who recorded these things. There were no crowds pressing forth to touch him in order to be healed. He died in 1947.

Torban came to America seeking asylum. If a person is found guilty of committing a crime while waiting for an asylum hearing, it is automatic deportation. The judge may deny asylum anyway as millions would come if they let everyone in. Already there are housing shortages and homelessness visible in some localities. The homeless had to hide to avoid false accusations and trespassing charges. If a person gets asylum and a green card, then is arrested and convicted, it results in deportation. An Iraqi was brought to America as a little child, learned English grew up and got a job. He was deported to Iraq as it is a crime to illegally enter the U.S. The man did not know Arabic and was diabetic. He died homeless in Iraq.

I saw on the evening news a U.S. citizen was kept in solitary confinement for three years and then went to trial. The jury set him free after 20 minutes of deliberation. Why was he arrested and held in the first place?
 
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Skimming the article his case reminds me of the general conflict that Polish/Canadian pastor Artur Pawloski has been fighting with the Canadian local and provincial government over street preaching, giving free meals to the poor and other locals on the street, and in more recent times resisting the Covid based church service lockdowns and other regulations which are actually suppose to be illegal according to the Canadian Constitution.


 
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Torban Søndergaard well known evangelist jailed on false charges.

Charges of gun smuggling dropped but still detained for being a "National Security Threat !!!"

What is going on the the US ?????
It's highly doubtful that the claims of being arrested for gun smuggling or being a national security threat are true. The only source for that is from Torban Søndergaard himself. I wasn't able to find any news story or arrest records for him anywhere for arms smuggling or any other crime related to national security. I was able to find out that he was being held at the Baker County Detention Center. It appears he's being held on some sort of immigration violation.
 
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It's highly doubtful that the claims of being arrested for gun smuggling or being a national security threat are true. The only source for that is from Torban Søndergaard himself. I wasn't able to find any news story or arrest records for him anywhere for arms smuggling or any other crime related to national security. I was able to find out that he was being held at the Baker County Detention Center. It appears he's being held on some sort of immigration violation.

So you conclude he is lying ???

What would his motive be ???
 
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What would his motive be ???
Maybe to keep his church and his supporters from finding out that he was picked up on an immigration violation? Claiming to be falsely arrested for gun smuggling and being a national threat just sounds a lot better.
I guess there is little to report until the details are officially released to the public.
Even then, there's nothing stopping him or his attorneys from presenting some type of evidence to back up his claims. If it were true that he was arrested for gun smuggling or that he was being held because he was a threat to national security, for sure there would be some record or documentation of this that he or his attorneys could share with the public. He's been incarcerated for a month now and nothing has been presented as of yet.
 
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From the linked article:

But the case now in America is by far more bizarre. Could a man so obviously consumed with preaching Jesus everywhere also be involved in smuggling arms from Mexico into America? Christians who have known him and his ministry for years are shaking their heads in disbelief.

“He doesn’t even know how to shoot a gun,” said
René Celinder, a staunch ally.

From Torban Søndergaard's Facebook profile:

torben2.jpg
 
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It is now 48 days in Jail.

Bond refused.

Classified as National threat.

No detail of charges given.

Can they hold him indefinitely without disclosing information on his charges?

Is this accepted as normal?

Would someone like to visit and get an update?
 
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