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Objections to Sola Scriptura?

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The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. There is a wide road leading to destruction and many will follow it . Many will say they know Jesus Christ of Nazareth, He will say I never knew you.
I'm not following you. As for the other denominations who disagree with you on several biblical issues - they are not Christian? They stand condemned?

And why do none of these denominations agree? Because they are not of one mind and Spirit.
That sounds like a mere re-assertion of the disagreement rather than an explanation for what causes it.

I would say all denominations have flocks that are vulnerable because the truth is not in them. The truth can only be given and found through His Holy Spirit. This takes stripping away all man made doctrine so that His light can shine through.
Again, it's not clear whether you regard them as non-Christian. The truth is not in them? The Holy Spirit is not in them?

Maybe what you're saying is that the other denominations are not really trying to read the Bible properly - they literally WANT to be entrenched in man-made doctrine. Ouch! That sounds like a pretty harsh allegation - and one difficult to believe.


From what I've seen, most Sola Scriptura advocates hold to the "perspicuity" (clarity) of Scripture. As Charles Hodge liked to put it, "The Bible is a plain book". So the question is valid - why do the denominations disagree? I don't see that you've provided a satisfactory explanation. Just my two cents.
 
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I'm not following you. As for the other denominations who disagree with you on several biblical issues - they are not Christian? They stand condemned?

That sounds like a mere re-assertion of the disagreement rather than an explanation for what causes it.

Again, it's not clear whether you regard them as non-Christian. The truth is not in them? The Holy Spirit is not in them?

Maybe what you're saying is that the other denominations are not really trying to read the Bible properly - they literally WANT to be entrenched in man-made doctrine. Ouch! That sounds like a pretty harsh allegation - and one difficult to believe.


From what I've seen, most Sola Scriptura advocates hold to the "perspicuity" (clarity) of Scripture. As Charles Hodge liked to put it, "The Bible is a plain book". So the question is valid - why do the denominations disagree? I don't see that you've provided a satisfactory explanation. Just my two cents.
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Thanks for sharing!
Sure. In that case, I'm confident you won't mind if I share MY explanation for the disunity.
(1). Human beings are fallible interpreters of any book.
(2) The Bible is NOT a plain book.
(3) Even if it were plain, there is too much at stake (100 billion souls since the world began) to risk fallible human interpretation.
(4) In other words God intended the church to prioritize the pursuit of infallible revelation (aka prophecy). Which she has not done.

Paul clearly places prophecy on the top rung of the priority ladder, alongside love. He commanded the whole church:

"Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy" (1 Cor 14:1).

Instead of honoring Paul's command - instead of waiting on the Lord for Direct Revelation to determine doctrine - the church has typically relied on exegesis/scholarship (Sola Scriptura) to determine doctrine. The widespread assumption is, "I neither need to be a prophet, nor hear from a prophet, to reliably interpret the Bible." That's a catastrophic mistake, in my opinion.
 
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What are the doctrinal objections to this Protestant lynchpin. From the vantage of any denomination.

To me, it seems foolish to be against Sola Scriptura. It just makes too much sense that God's inspired word should be the first, middle and last word on all things pertaining to the faith. If this were not so, why do we even have the bible?

Discuss ty and God bless
Jesus commanded us to listen to the Church. The Church says scripture is God's Word. How can one not understand this?
 
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Good point. These verses strongly suggest that the oral teaching of the apostles carried authority in the early church, which is a considerable challenge to Sola Scriptura.

I just want to add here my personal opinion as to WHY oral teaching carried authority. This ties in with my position defined at post #9. Works like this:
(1) A prophet or apostle needs to know when a given message did indeed come from God. The Spirit solves this by convicting/convincing them, causing them to feel certain it came from God.
(2) When the prophet or apostle relays that same message to an audience, typically the Spirit would convict the audience as well, causing them also to feel certain about it. On these occasions the audience could not ignore the message in good conscience. That's what made it authoritative/obligatory.

Indeed, although its less Sola Scriptura and more Nuda Scriptura, because the Reformers actually did strongly believe in the importance of tradition.

If we put the beliefs of the Lutherans, the high church Anglicans, the traditional Methodists, the Nazarenes, the Moravians circa 1970-2000, the Congregationalists of the early 20th century, the liturgical Presbyterians and Reformed churches such as the Scoto-Catholics and Mercersburg Theologians, and compared them with the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Roman Catholic Church under Pope Benedict XVI, we would find a remarkable similarity.

And even if we added the congregations in the Southern Baptist Convention which still have traditional worship music, the Evangelical Friends, some of the Mennonites and Anabaptists, and the Christian Church/Disciples of Christ in the 1970s-80s, we would still find a remarkable amount of similarity.

Its when we start plugging in fundamentalist Calvinism, non-denominational Evangelical megachurches, the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement, contemporary worship, the postmodern theology of the “Seven Sisters” - the large American mainline Protestant churches and their counterparts abroad, the Sabbatarian denominations, and several newer denominations, that we would start to see a variance. Note that I am not accusing these churches, some of which operate on a Nuda Scriptura basis and some of which do not, of being heterodox or heretical or not Christian; on the contrary some of them I have a great affection for. I can’t bring myself to dislike the Episcopal Church for example despite my extreme disagreement with its theological trajectory, nor can I bring myself to oppose the absolute pro-life, pro-sexual morality stance of the fundamentalist Calvinist churches like that of John MacArthur, or the lovingkindness of the Sabbatarians.

Where departures from Christianity happen is when people completely discard tradition, including the very basics like the ChristianForums Statement of Faith. Every group I mentioned above follows basic Christian traditions and either accepts the Nicene Creed directly or has a statement of faith or doctrinal basis that is compatible.

Unitarianism initially appeared because of former Puritan Congregationalists, who as Puritans had leaned towards Nuda Scriptura, began critically re-evaluating scripture, and because the doctrine of the Trinity is largely implicit and because the Enlightenment of the time (which I prefer to call the Endarkenment, when we look at the number of heads its philosophical ideology led to being separated from their bodies in Revolutionary France, and the impact this had in terms of inspiring Karl Marx, who inspired the monstrous Vladimir Lenin and his partners in crime Stalin, Beria, Trotsky, Molotov and Kruschev), and Nietschze who inspired Hitler, and the rise of Deism and Atheism) discouraged belief in miracles and promoted a contempt for what Thomas Jefferson called “Priestcraft”, the result was Unitarianism.

Christian Science and the J/Ws claim a more purely Scriptural basis, but rely on weird interpretations which differ from those of actual Christian churches. And both are dangerous by discouraging medical care and prohibiting the receipt of donated blood products, respectively, leading to many deaths.
 
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Is that not misappropriation?

The Bible is no more a "tradition" than Shakespeare is a "tradition."

Nor is it essential or necessary to faith, salvation, justification, righteousness, perseverance, our adoption, or inheritance, as is obedience to the NT Scriptural commands and exhortations. . .which is not to deny it as one of the means of the Christian life.

It cannot possibly be a "misappropriation". The bible exists in its current form because the Church decided what that form is. All those books of the bible are the books accepted over time. One of the criteria used in deciding the books of the canon was that they could not contradict the teachings of the Church - the Traditions of the Church.
 
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The Bereans searched the Scriptures daily to see whether what Paul preached "was so". It seemed that they were Sola Scriptura, because the verse doesn't say that they searched the Scriptures and their tradition to validate Paul's preaching.

Someone has said that the Bible is not a plain book. Where do they get that from? It was not written for academics or intellectuals. It was written for the common people in straight, easy to understand language. If those who find difficulty in understanding what the Bible is saying, then they need to revise their grade school comprehension.

In my opinion, it is not that the Bible is not written in plain language, but that the readers don't want to accept what the plain language of the Bible is actually saying. They want to avoid the Bible's instruction to repent of their sins and to put their trust in Christ alone for salvation. They can't accept that there is only one narrow way to eternal life - through Jesus and what He did on the Cross of Calvary. They want to find other ways that don't challenge their preferred lifestyle and their favourite sins.
 
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Indeed, although its less Sola Scriptura and more Nuda Scriptura, because the Reformers actually did strongly believe in the importance of tradition.

If we put the beliefs of the Lutherans, the high church Anglicans, the traditional Methodists, the Nazarenes, the Moravians circa 1970-2000, the Congregationalists of the early 20th century, the liturgical Presbyterians and Reformed churches such as the Scoto-Catholics and Mercersburg Theologians, and compared them with the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Roman Catholic Church under Pope Benedict XVI, we would find a remarkable similarity.

And even if we added the congregations in the Southern Baptist Convention which still have traditional worship music, the Evangelical Friends, some of the Mennonites and Anabaptists, and the Christian Church/Disciples of Christ in the 1970s-80s, we would still find a remarkable amount of similarity.

Its when we start plugging in fundamentalist Calvinism, non-denominational Evangelical megachurches, the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement, contemporary worship, the postmodern theology of the “Seven Sisters” - the large American mainline Protestant churches and their counterparts abroad, the Sabbatarian denominations, and several newer denominations, that we would start to see a variance. Note that I am not accusing these churches, some of which operate on a Nuda Scriptura basis and some of which do not, of being heterodox or heretical or not Christian; on the contrary some of them I have a great affection for. I can’t bring myself to dislike the Episcopal Church for example despite my extreme disagreement with its theological trajectory, nor can I bring myself to oppose the absolute pro-life, pro-sexual morality stance of the fundamentalist Calvinist churches like that of John MacArthur, or the lovingkindness of the Sabbatarians.

Where departures from Christianity happen is when people completely discard tradition, including the very basics like the ChristianForums Statement of Faith. Every group I mentioned above follows basic Christian traditions and either accepts the Nicene Creed directly or has a statement of faith or doctrinal basis that is compatible.

Unitarianism initially appeared because of former Puritan Congregationalists, who as Puritans had leaned towards Nuda Scriptura, began critically re-evaluating scripture, and because the doctrine of the Trinity is largely implicit and because the Enlightenment of the time (which I prefer to call the Endarkenment, when we look at the number of heads its philosophical ideology led to being separated from their bodies in Revolutionary France, and the impact this had in terms of inspiring Karl Marx, who inspired the monstrous Vladimir Lenin and his partners in crime Stalin, Beria, Trotsky, Molotov and Kruschev), and Nietschze who inspired Hitler, and the rise of Deism and Atheism) discouraged belief in miracles and promoted a contempt for what Thomas Jefferson called “Priestcraft”, the result was Unitarianism.

Christian Science and the J/Ws claim a more purely Scriptural basis, but rely on weird interpretations which differ from those of actual Christian churches. And both are dangerous by discouraging medical care and prohibiting the receipt of donated blood products, respectively, leading to many deaths.
Wow. I can see that you are quite the scholar. I always wanted to be a scholar but never had the brains.

Personally, I'm not really sure that the term Tradition has a fully objective meaning. Which Tradition is the real Tradition? But I do agree that the historic beliefs ("traditions") of all the Bible-believing denominations should be taken seriously and, if one decides to part from some aspects of them, he should have a pretty substantive rationale for doing so.
 
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We are to hold to the traditions that were taught in His Word ... not those that are outside of it.

Holy tradition is the teaching of the holy catholic apostolic church as it was in the early years and not the error that developed over time due to the RC idea of progressive revelation. They are the ones who are qualified to interpret and only those who were called holy men that is to say, those in theosis.
 
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If the whole truth is in the holy scriptures with nothing added then why do Anglicans, Lutherans, Baptists, Presbyterians, Mennonites, Quakers, Pentecostals, Nazarene, Methodists, and a huge number of independent churches exist? If the bible is sufficient why can none of these agree on what the bible teaches?

That's not the issue with the Bible, that's the issue with us. We are all sinner, unable to accept and live by Word of God. To understand the Word of God, the Holy Spirit must interpret it.

How can then born again Christians then disagree about certain things? Because even though we are saved, we still live in sinful flesh that is doing it's best to reject God's truth. By our sinful nature we have the wrong image of God in our head, by our own interpretation how He ought to be, but who can comprehend God? There's also the want wanting to understand everything, knowing everything. The Holy Spirit will interpret to us what He wants and when He wants. We also have our own desires at heart, and finally, there's the devil, who is doing everything in his power to deceive us.

2 Timothy 3:16 'All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness'
Only the Bible is the living Word of God that will never pass away. Thus making the Bible having higher authority on Earth than everything, including pastors, teachers, me, you, and other Christians, other human beings, angels etc. It is the living Word of God and we ought to live by it.
 
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What are the doctrinal objections to this Protestant lynchpin. From the vantage of any denomination.

To me, it seems foolish to be against Sola Scriptura. It just makes too much sense that God's inspired word should be the first, middle and last word on all things pertaining to the faith. If this were not so, why do we even have the bible?

Discuss ty and God bless
There was no official canon for the first 400 years of Christianity. What about those Christians in the first century when the NT was being written? Some early Christians used outside sources that are not included in the canon of Scripture but are revered nonetheless.
 
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The Bereans searched the Scriptures daily to see whether what Paul preached "was so". It seemed that they were Sola Scriptura, because the verse doesn't say that they searched the Scriptures and their tradition to validate Paul's preaching.

Someone has said that the Bible is not a plain book. Where do they get that from? It was not written for academics or intellectuals. It was written for the common people in straight, easy to understand language. If those who find difficulty in understanding what the Bible is saying, then they need to revise their grade school comprehension.

In my opinion, it is not that the Bible is not written in plain language, but that the readers don't want to accept what the plain language of the Bible is actually saying. They want to avoid the Bible's instruction to repent of their sins and to put their trust in Christ alone for salvation. They can't accept that there is only one narrow way to eternal life - through Jesus and what He did on the Cross of Calvary. They want to find other ways that don't challenge their preferred lifestyle and their favourite sins.

If the Bible is a plain book, how do you explain the fact that many Christians and denominations disagree with you on some rather important issues?
(A) They are all stupid readers.
(B) They are all a pack of rebels
(C) They are not even real Christians.

Are you opting for A? B? C?
 
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They are the ones who are qualified to interpret

Scripture is the living Word of God. God is Spirit, so scripture must be interpreted by the Holy Spirit. I don't care how many decades you study the Bible, if the Holy Spirit is not with you, you will not understand it, nor live by it. Look at many of the Pharisees in Jesus' time, they studied it their all life, yet they could not understand it. Why? Because our eyes do not see, our ears do not hear, our heart is made of stone, and only God can open your eyes, ears, and heart.

We must depend on God on everything, including understanding the Scriptures. God always intended us to depend on Him about everything. Once humanity stopped depending on God in garden of Eden...we know the rest. God calls those who depend on their own wisdom fools (Proverbs 28:26)
 
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That's not the issue with the Bible, that's the issue with us. We are all sinner, unable to accept and live by Word of God. To understand the Word of God, the Holy Spirit must interpret it.

How can then born again Christians then disagree about certain things? Because even though we are saved, we still live in sinful flesh that is doing it's best to reject God's truth. By our sinful nature we have the wrong image of God in our head, by our own interpretation how He ought to be, but who can comprehend God? There's also the want wanting to understand everything, knowing everything. The Holy Spirit will interpret to us what He wants and when He wants. We also have our own desires at heart, and finally, there's the devil, who is doing everything in his power to deceive us.
Ok so if the sinful nature is an obstacle to interpreting Scripture, then Sola Scriptura fails in its mission. Isn't this a catch-22?
(1) I need to understand the Bible so I can learn how to triumph over the sinful nature.
(2) Woops I'm stuck. I can't understand the Bible due to the sinful nature.
 
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(1) I need to understand the Bible so I can learn how to triumph over the sinful nature.

You can't triumph over sinful nature. Jesus defeated sin on the cross. And nothing can be added to it. By grace some believe. If people try to add something to it, then it is no longer grace, because grace is something we do not deserve. And if people are trying to add something to the perfect sacrifice of Jesus, then they say Jesus sacrifice is not good enough and they are not saved.

(2) Woops I'm stuck. I can't understand the Bible due to the sinful nature.

Exactly. God does want you to depend on Him on understanding. God wants you to see that you are absolutely unable to understand and live by the Scripture. It's like with the Law. Why did God give Law to Israel when no one can keep the Law? That we may know the holy nature and will of God, and the sinful nature and disobedience of our hearts; and thus our need of a Saviour. The Israelites by not being able to keep the Law should have saw that they cannot save them selves, only God can.

Who do you think God will teach His word. Person A who relies on their wisdom, or person B who humbles himself before God that he is a sinner unworthy and unable of understanding the Word of God. Person A says he sees, yet he is blind. Person B comes to God and humbles himself that he cannot see and he will see.
 
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You can't triumph over sinful nature. Jesus defeated sin on the cross. And nothing can be added to it. By grace some believe. If people try to add something to it, then it is no longer grace, because grace is something we do not deserve. And if people are trying to add something to the perfect sacrifice of Jesus, then they say Jesus sacrifice is not good enough and they are not saved.



Exactly. God does want you to depend on Him on understanding. God wants you to see that you are absolutely unable to understand and live by the Scripture. It's like with the Law. Why did God give Law to Israel when no one can keep the Law? That we may know the holy nature and will of God, and the sinful nature and disobedience of our hearts; and thus our need of a Saviour. The Israelites by not being able to keep the Law should have saw that they cannot save them selves, only God can.

Who do you think God will teach His word. Person A who relies on their wisdom, or person B who humbles himself before God that he is a sinner unworthy and unable of understanding the Word of God. Person A says he sees, yet he is blind. Person B comes to God and humbles himself that he cannot see and he will see.
Ok you described a catch-22 and I still can't see how, on your assumptions, it is possible to escape from that deadlocked position.
 
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Scripture is the living Word of God. God is Spirit, so scripture must be interpreted by the Holy Spirit. I don't care how many decades you study the Bible, if the Holy Spirit is not with you, you will not understand it, nor live by it. Look at many of the Pharisees in Jesus' time, they studied it their all life, yet they could not understand it. Why? Because our eyes do not see, our ears do not hear, our heart is made of stone, and only God can open your eyes, ears, and heart.

We must depend on God on everything, including understanding the Scriptures. God always intended us to depend on Him about everything. Once humanity stopped depending on God in garden of Eden...we know the rest. God calls those who depend on their own wisdom fools (Proverbs 28:26)

The ones in Theosis are led entirely by the Holy Spirit and so are the only ones who can interpret properly. That is why there are so many interpretations these days - nobody left in Theosis
 
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What are the doctrinal objections to this Protestant lynchpin. From the vantage of any denomination.

To me, it seems foolish to be against Sola Scriptura. It just makes too much sense that God's inspired word should be the first, middle and last word on all things pertaining to the faith. If this were not so, why do we even have the bible?

Discuss ty and God bless
SS doesn't work in the first century which is where most of the objection come from. Even after the first century, the canon wasn't even set so you didn't know what scripture you should take and what you should discard. But even after the canon scripture is simply not available to the masses because books weren't even invented plus written scripture would be too expensive to own a personal copy of not to mention people probably couldn't even read it or understand the language it was written in.

considering all this SS is not practical because the masses didn't have access to scripture. It wasn't until the printing press is invented in about c.1350 that technology catches up enough for SS to work but we still got to wait 100 more years before we actually start seeing translated printed bibles. Books are cheaper but still too expensive for households to have one, we have to wait until the KJV takes root in 1611 which triggers this renaissance period of scripture where the masses actually have access to scripture and can understand it for themselves. But it takes some time before every house hold can have a personal copy of scripture. People are also still unlearnt and require the clergy to explain to them what scripture means so SS may still be used but it is an abstract theological term among the clergy and is meaningless to the masses who just do what they are told.

It takes another major advancement of technology more influential than the printing press to bridge this gap and that is the internet. Only in the last 20 years or so of the internet have we seen access to scripture like no time before it and advancement increase every year. Anyone with a computer who is literate has the tools to translate scripture from it's original language using what is freely available on the internet better than Luther did. it feels only in the last 20 years or so SS makes sense among the masses where the role of the clery is loosing it's focus because we all have adequate tools to learn in greater details than any sermon can give us.

SS started in the reformation which makes sense because it was launched in a post-printing press world (SS doesn't make sense without the printing press) but it has remained an abstract theological term to the masses and I think only the 21st century has the veil finally been lifted so that William Tyndale words can be realised "If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy who drives a plough to know more of the scriptures than you do". Truly only today over any other period a farm boy has the tools to understand more of scripture than the religious elite. That's when SS makes sense so I get the difficulting in embracing it when most of history SS was not practical.
 
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The ones in Theosis are led entirely by the Holy Spirit and so are the only ones who can interpret properly. That is why there are so many interpretations these days - nobody left in Theosis

Are you saying that no one is led by the Holy Spirit today? Because, if so, that is wrong. All the born again Christians are led by the Holy Spirit, and by faith they are obedient.
 
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