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I would contend that the very reason we ARE seeing this war is because so many people have drunk the dim-witted mainstream media mantra that "Putin is Hitler part II and he wants to continue to expand! He won't stop until he has Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Moldova, and maybe Bulgaria, etc.! He's reconstituting the Soviet Union! AAAAGH!!!" point of view. There is zero indication this is true, and many experts on the subject with credibility actually say this propaganda piece is absurd.
This war is the result of a failure to listen. If NATO had wanted no war in Ukraine, there would've been an effort by the West to STOP Ukraine from butchering Russians in the Donbas years ago. NATO and the corrupt EU would've also tried to call Ukraine on their dirty coup d'etat and their fascist white nationalism and their dirty breaking of treaties around 2014. They've broken treaties, lied, and their corruption has created a mess. NATO wanted intrigue. They wanted to poke the Russian bear from day one.
You don't go into a marriage that is on the rocks and start flirting with the wife and maybe using a stick to look up her dress if you don't want the husband to come at you with a Louisville Slugger. NATO wanted to see a domestic abuse case, so they used an extra long stick a la Beetlejuice.
I'm so tired of everything being a Hitler or Third Reich analogue. It's such a cliche and over-simplified view of geopolitical goings-on. It's becoming banal and pointless. Putin resembles Hitler hardly at all. If anything, these awful proceedings resemble the Peloponnesian Wars far more than WWII. The Russians possess so many traits the Spartans had---pride, tradition, religious, a feeling of persecution but desire to be strong and spread their influence. The United States is very much Athens---liberal, proclaiming a love of democracy while violating its principles at every turn, an empire and hegemony-spreading juggernaut, and a force to dismantle a foe through sanctions and ally-theft. If you look at Athens when some member states of the Delian League wanted to leave the alliance and how they turned on them and attacked them and defamed them, it's very modern America. The archons in Athens sound so much like our Democrat-run Congress and the demagogues of Athens sound like our leaders. America would poison many Socrates within our intellectual circles, gladly. Sparta was much like Russia---the Thirty Tyrants and trying to meddle in Athenian elections/politics, and willing to use scorched earth and destruction to further their aims if you screwed around with them. Forget Hitler, look to Thucydides, Lysander, Nicias, Cleon, Demosthenes, and Alcibiades.
The Peloponnesian Wars with the "Long Walls" are akin to the NATO forces putting up missile defense in Eastern Europe aimed right up Russia's rectum. Athens invited war then, the U.S. invites it now. And they got it. The Plague of Athens was similar to COVID. The Sicilian Expedition is reminiscent of some of our tactics that got us here.
For all the anti-Russia talk in here, I fail to see why there is such an unwillingness to look at the beam in our own eye with the U.S.? Monroe Doctrine, if it means anything, must be CONSISTENT. The U.S. had every opportunity to build bridges with Russia for the past 3 decades now. We had the chance. We blew it as much as they did. The tit for tat was largely our fault as well.
This war is the result of a failure to listen. If NATO had wanted no war in Ukraine, there would've been an effort by the West to STOP Ukraine from butchering Russians in the Donbas years ago. NATO and the corrupt EU would've also tried to call Ukraine on their dirty coup d'etat and their fascist white nationalism and their dirty breaking of treaties around 2014. They've broken treaties, lied, and their corruption has created a mess. NATO wanted intrigue. They wanted to poke the Russian bear from day one.
You don't go into a marriage that is on the rocks and start flirting with the wife and maybe using a stick to look up her dress if you don't want the husband to come at you with a Louisville Slugger. NATO wanted to see a domestic abuse case, so they used an extra long stick a la Beetlejuice.
I'm so tired of everything being a Hitler or Third Reich analogue. It's such a cliche and over-simplified view of geopolitical goings-on. It's becoming banal and pointless. Putin resembles Hitler hardly at all. If anything, these awful proceedings resemble the Peloponnesian Wars far more than WWII. The Russians possess so many traits the Spartans had---pride, tradition, religious, a feeling of persecution but desire to be strong and spread their influence. The United States is very much Athens---liberal, proclaiming a love of democracy while violating its principles at every turn, an empire and hegemony-spreading juggernaut, and a force to dismantle a foe through sanctions and ally-theft. If you look at Athens when some member states of the Delian League wanted to leave the alliance and how they turned on them and attacked them and defamed them, it's very modern America. The archons in Athens sound so much like our Democrat-run Congress and the demagogues of Athens sound like our leaders. America would poison many Socrates within our intellectual circles, gladly. Sparta was much like Russia---the Thirty Tyrants and trying to meddle in Athenian elections/politics, and willing to use scorched earth and destruction to further their aims if you screwed around with them. Forget Hitler, look to Thucydides, Lysander, Nicias, Cleon, Demosthenes, and Alcibiades.
The Peloponnesian Wars with the "Long Walls" are akin to the NATO forces putting up missile defense in Eastern Europe aimed right up Russia's rectum. Athens invited war then, the U.S. invites it now. And they got it. The Plague of Athens was similar to COVID. The Sicilian Expedition is reminiscent of some of our tactics that got us here.
For all the anti-Russia talk in here, I fail to see why there is such an unwillingness to look at the beam in our own eye with the U.S.? Monroe Doctrine, if it means anything, must be CONSISTENT. The U.S. had every opportunity to build bridges with Russia for the past 3 decades now. We had the chance. We blew it as much as they did. The tit for tat was largely our fault as well.
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