Bible Ignorance About God's Israel

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Some threads here pushing the crazy idea that God has set Israel aside. That is a major sign of Biblical ignorance and Biblical illiteracy.

Those must not have a clue about the history of the Western Christian Nations either, which is about The Gospel taking hold in the nations of Asia Minor and Europe after the Passion of Christ.

In Genesis 35, God gave a prophecy to Jacob that his seed would become, "a nation, and a company of nations". Where was that "company of nations" fulfilled? Certainly not in the holy land.

And in Genesis 48, Jacob on his deathbed, blessed Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, saying that Manasseh would be "great", but that his younger brother Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations". That was obviously the continuing prophecy God gave to Jacob being transferred to Ephraim's seed.

When God later split the old nation of Israel into two separate kingdoms and nations, He gave ten tribes to a leader from the tribe of Ephraim. Thus Ephraim became the head tribe over the northern ten tribes of Israel. Then they fell into idol worship, and God removed them from the holy land. Only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi (JEWS) remained in the southern lands.

Per the prophecies in the Book of Hosea, God said He would end the northern kingdom of Israel (ten tribes under Ephraim), that He would scatter them so they would not find their way back, and in new lands, in the wilderness, He would give them their full idols of Baal worship for forgetting Him. They would lose the feast days, His sabbaths, new moons, basically knowledge of their being part of old Israel. But the time would eventually come when He would take the names of Baali they called Him out of their mouths, and they would begin to call Him "Ishi". And he would make them lie down safely and make a covenant with them and the land.

And the in final, where it was said to them 'not My people', it would be said that they are the sons of the living God.

The meaning of that? -- God scattered the majority of the children of the seed of Israel, the ten northern tribes, because of their idolatry and rebellion against Him. But then God would use that scattering to set them up in new lands among the Gentiles. And when The Gospel was preached at Jerusalem and then rejected, it would be sent to those ten tribes scattered and living among the Gentiles. And both, those ten lost tribes along with believing Gentiles would become Christ's Church, particularly in the nations of Asia Minor and Europe, Great Britain being the first nation on a national scale to accept Jesus Christ. And then from there they would send Christian ambassadors with The Gospel of Jesus Christ to the rest of the world.

Now since then, Christ's enemies have ever been trying to destroy the Western Christian Nations and its allies. They have particularly went after the Christian royal families of Europe, and they still create propaganda against the European monarchs to try and get you to hate the idea of God's ordaining of the house of David. The orthodox Jews are also jealous of the Christian nations and their monarchs because of this, because back in the days of Jeremiah the prophet, Jerusalem lost their king of Judah there, and all of Zedekiah's son heirs; David's throne ended there in Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.
 
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In Genesis 35, God gave a prophecy to Jacob that his seed would become, "a nation, and a company of nations". Where was that "company of nations" fulfilled? Certainly not in the holy land.
This notion of it yet needing to happen in our future when scripture already said it already happened. How do you explain this contradiction?

"Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel according to all that He promised. Not one word has failed of all the good promises He made through His servant Moses." 1 Kings 8:56
 
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This notion of it yet needing to happen in our future when scripture already said it already happened. How do you explain this contradiction?

"Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel according to all that He promised. Not one word has failed of all the good promises He made through His servant Moses." 1 Kings 8:56

There is still much Bible prophecy written in the Old Testament Books not yet come to pass, particularly about the future new heavens and a new earth (Isaiah 65; Ezekiel 40 thru 48; Zechariah 14, etc.). So it too is Biblical illiteracy to assume that above verse proves all that God has promised is already fulfilled, per those Old Testament prophets.

Furthermore, the "company of nations" and "multitude of nations" of Ephraim, was never fulfilled in the holy lands. And it is about Israelite nations. There are two Israels per God's Word, not one.
 
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Lot of propaganda about lost Israel. What archaeological and written evidence shows (like the Jehu Steele and Prof. Leroy Waterman's translation of the Royal Correspondence of the Assyrian Empire), is that names the Assyrians called Israel in captivity among them like Khumri. Waterman translated those kind of titles from the Assyrian tablets in the 1930s and showed they were linked to the Cimmerians. Anthropology knows who the Cimmerians were. They migrated from the east into Asia Minor and Europe, traveling around the Black Sea, crossing the Caucasus Mountains, becoming known as Caucasians. He linked another group that migrated also with the name Scythians, which Anthropology also knows about. But Anthropology does not admit those as migrations of the ten lost tribes of Israel; they claim not to know just where the Cimmerians and Scythian origins from the east were.

So what that means is, the British Isles cannot claim a singular heritage as the ten lost tribes of Israel. Based on the archaeological evidence, it has to involve whole early nations of peoples that migrated into Asia Minor and Europe, even Apostle Paul being an example as born in Tarsus, Cilicia, a nation in Asia Minor. (After the Jews' seventy years captivity to Babylon, the majority of them chose to remain in Babylon, but were further scattered to the west like the ten tribes were. That is how many of the Jews were also scattered among the Gentiles like the ten northern tribes were.)
 
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Some threads here pushing the crazy idea that God has set Israel aside. That is a major sign of Biblical ignorance and Biblical illiteracy.

I have never seen how Christ is using Israel TODAY ?

Paul is very CLEAR in 2 Cor 3:14 says that UNTIL this DAY when Moses is being READ , a COVERING lies upon their HEART , so how do you explain these verses ?

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I have never seen how Christ is using Israel TODAY ?
Has Jerusalem become a cup of trembling yet?
Zechariah 12:
2 “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.
 
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This notion of it yet needing to happen in our future when scripture already said it already happened. How do you explain this contradiction?

"Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel according to all that He promised. Not one word has failed of all the good promises He made through His servant Moses." 1 Kings 8:56

Oh yeah, I should have given the EASY answer to that, because that underlined Scripture of 1 Kings 8 was BEFORE God split old Israel into two separate nations because of Solomon allowing his many pagan wives to bring their idol worship into Israel (begin at 1 Kings 11 forward).

So how could God have already given Israel 'rest' when per 2 Kings 17 later He scattered the then northern tribe kingdom COMPLETELY OUT of the holy lands, and allowed the king of Assyria to replace the Israelites with pagan Babylonians that became the later Samaritans?

And even still today, the majority of the 12 tribes are still scattered among the Gentiles, like God warned Israel about in Deuteronomy 4 & 28 for falling away from Him.
 
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I have never seen how Christ is using Israel TODAY ?

Paul is very CLEAR in 2 Cor 3:14 says that UNTIL this DAY when Moses is being READ , a COVERING lies upon their HEART , so how do you explain these verses ?

dan p

Study, study, study, your Bible more. I realize many brethren just bypass the Old Testament histories because some preachers keep wrongly preaching all those Scriptures are dead history, and a lot of folks don't like the study of history. I do, so easy for me, and I know the understanding God gives by study of those histories.

1. Not absolutely everyone born of Judah rejects Christ Jesus. That's the first thing you should recognize, even as all of Christ's Apostles were born of the Jews. So generalization of Jews with thinking they all reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ shows lack of understanding.

2. Just who are the Jews? Many brethren don't know that either, but wrongly think ALL Israelites born of the seed of Israel are Jews. Not so. And this ignorance comes from those not studying their Old Testament history. The title of 'Jew' originated from the sole tribe of Judah. And that title applied to the southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea. But the northern ten tribes dwelt in the northern parts of the land, and were not known as Jews. That means the 'majority' of Israelites too, with 10 tribes.

3. Because of what Solomon did with allowing his many wives to bring in their pagan idols into Israel, God split old Israel into 2 separate kingdoms. The Jews of the "kingdom of Judah" was in the southern land, and was made up of the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of northern tribes that refused the gold calf idol worship in the north, and these Jews also included any stranger living in the lands south. So really the title of Jew, though it originated from the tribe of 'Judah', began to represent foreigners living in the land also (the Jewish historian Josephus who lived around 100 A.D. also confirms this).

But the ten northern tribes, God gave to Jeroboam, one born of the tribe of Ephraim (1 Kings 11). These became known as the "kingdom of Israel", or "house of Israel", and it meant the ten tribes living in the northern lands only, and not the Jews in the south. God scattered these ten northern tribes first, because of Jeroboam's idol worship they never did quit get rid of, even though they did accomplish defeats against the Baal prophets at times (like in king Ahab's day).

4. Both kingdoms had 'war' against each other. And that happened all the way up to 2 Kings 17 when God finally removed all 10 tribes out of the land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes.

5. To this day, the ten tribes of Israel have never... returned to the holy lands as a people. They lost their heritage as part of old Israel, having been scattered among the Gentiles like God said He would do to them if they fell away from Him. Even the Jews today don't know where the ten lost tribes are, nor who they are. But God knows, because He promised He would gather them in final.

6. About 120 years after God scattered the ten northern tribes of Israel, He then sent Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, upon the southern "kingdom of Judah" (Jews), and took them captive to Babylon for 70 years. After that period a small remnant of those Jews returned to Jerusalem to rebuild, but the majority of them chose to stay in Babylon, because God took good care of them there. Then the majority of those Jews in Babylon were further scattered later through the countries.

7. And this is where we still are today. The majority of ALL the 12 tribes of Israel are still scattered among the nations. Only a very small remnant of Jews have returned to the holy land to form the nation of Israel again in 1948. And the amount of land they have today is but a very, very small portion of the total lands God promised their fathers. Yet God has promised to gather them back to that land, restore the complete lands, putting both 'houses' back together again in the land (Ezekiel 37). That of course will not happen until the future return of Lord Jesus Christ on the last day of this present world.
 
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Oh yeah, I should have given the EASY answer to that, because that underlined Scripture of 1 Kings 8 was BEFORE God split old Israel into two separate nations because of Solomon allowing his many pagan wives to bring their idol worship into Israel (begin at 1 Kings 11 forward).

So how could God have already given Israel 'rest' when per 2 Kings 17 later He scattered the then northern tribe kingdom COMPLETELY OUT of the holy lands, and allowed the king of Assyria to replace the Israelites with pagan Babylonians that became the later Samaritans?

And even still today, the majority of the 12 tribes are still scattered among the Gentiles, like God warned Israel about in Deuteronomy 4 & 28 for falling away from Him.
It would either indicate that the inspired scripture of 1 Kings 8:56 is lying about the conclusion with its' plain message or the way you just suggested to put other verses into the mix is an informative example of Isaiah 28:13,
And the word of the LORD will be to them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
line upon line, line upon line,
here a little, there a little,
that they may go, and fall backward,
and be broken, and snared, and taken.
 
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It would either indicate that the inspired scripture of 1 Kings 8:56 is lying about the conclusion with its' plain message or the way you just suggested to put other verses into the mix is an informative example of Isaiah 28:13,
And the word of the LORD will be to them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
line upon line, line upon line,
here a little, there a little,
that they may go, and fall backward,
and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Is there a problem with some being able to read and comprehend what they read on this forum?

Since the 1 Kings 8 Scripture is Solomon praying to The Father to bless Israel of 'that specific time', the "rest" Solomon spoke of that God accomplished was just about the events prophesied through Moses up to that point in history with the finished building of Solomon's temple and its consecration, with God having given the children of Israel a dwelling place in the lands of Canaan. All 12 tribes of Israel were in the land at that time when Solomon was king and just finished building that first temple in Jerusalem.

So it's pretty obvious for anyone... who can read... that there is a whole lot more Bible history about the children of Israel falling away after... that moment. By the time you get to 1 Kings 11, it's Solomon himself that falls away...

God said the following to Solomon just prior to His getting ready to split the kingdom in two...

1 Kings 11:1-10
11 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;

2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, 'Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods:' Solomon clave unto these in love.

3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.

7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, Which had appeared unto him twice,

10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.
KJV


Thus the 1 Kings 8:56 verse has NOTHING to do with God's promises of restoring future Israel, which still... has yet to happen today, and won't until Jesus return in our near future.

I see that kind of abuse of God's written Word all the time, the pulling out of a single verse and trying to make it say what the user wants it to say, totally leaving the actual flow of the Chapter and Scripture subject context. Doing that is sad, but we too often see a preacher do it which God did not call, creating his own message, and going through The Bible with trying to find single verses that might support his idea. Others see that and think it's OK to do that. It's actually sickening those who do that butchering of God's Word.
 
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Is there a problem with some being able to read and comprehend what they read on this forum?

Since the 1 Kings 8 Scripture is Solomon praying to The Father to bless Israel of 'that specific time', the "rest" Solomon spoke of that God accomplished was just about the events prophesied through Moses up to that point in history with the finished building of Solomon's temple and its consecration, with God having given the children of Israel a dwelling place in the lands of Canaan. All 12 tribes of Israel were in the land at that time when Solomon was king and just finished building that first temple in Jerusalem.

So it's pretty obvious for anyone... who can read... that there is a whole lot more Bible history about the children of Israel falling away after... that moment. By the time you get to 1 Kings 11, it's Solomon himself that falls away...

God said the following to Solomon just prior to His getting ready to split the kingdom in two...

1 Kings 11:1-10
11 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;

2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, 'Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods:' Solomon clave unto these in love.

3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.

7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, Which had appeared unto him twice,

10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.
KJV


Thus the 1 Kings 8:56 verse has NOTHING to do with God's promises of restoring future Israel, which still... has yet to happen today, and won't until Jesus return in our near future.

I see that kind of abuse of God's written Word all the time, the pulling out of a single verse and trying to make it say what the user wants it to say, totally leaving the actual flow of the Chapter and Scripture subject context. Doing that is sad, but we too often see a preacher do it which God did not call, creating his own message, and going through The Bible with trying to find single verses that might support his idea. Others see that and think it's OK to do that. It's actually sickening those who do that butchering of God's Word.
Certainly not a problem seeing that a reader is free to believe that when the scripture says this: "Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel according to all that He promised. Not one word has failed of all the good promises He made through His servant Moses." into suggesting here on the forums that it means: "Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel NOT according to all that He promised. He has failed of all the good promises He made through His servant Moses because Solomons married foreign wives". Something which needed more words to explain, part two of Isaiah 28:13

You know just by repeating the same thing a second time around with twice the amount of words doesn't make it double down true?
 
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Certainly not a problem seeing that a reader is free to believe that when the scripture says this: "Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel according to all that He promised. Not one word has failed of all the good promises He made through His servant Moses." into suggesting here on the forums that it means: "Blessed be the LORD, who has given rest to His people Israel NOT according to all that He promised. He has failed of all the good promises He made through His servant Moses because Solomons married foreign wives". Something which needed more words to explain, part two of Isaiah 28:13

You know just by repeating the same thing a second time around with twice the amount of words doesn't make it double down true?

What a butchering of God's Word, pulling a single verse out of the Scripture context of a Chapter where it appears and trying to make a whole other doctrine out of it!

That "rest" there in Solomon's day was TEMPORARY because of Israel's later rebellion after that period, even though God obviously kept His part of the covenant.

I would be terrified to be around anyone who did the same thing in electronics that they did with that single 1 Kings 8:56 verse, totally leaving understanding about the 1 Kings 8 subject in reading comprehension. If they can't pay attention long enough to understand that verse in context with the rest of that 1 Kings 8 Chapter, then what would they do in the field of electronics?
 
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And even still today, the majority of the 12 tribes are still scattered among the Gentiles, like God warned Israel about in Deuteronomy 4 & 28 for falling away from Him.

In the passage below James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith".


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.

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Study, study, study, your Bible more. I realize many brethren just bypass the Old Testament histories because some preachers keep wrongly preaching all those Scriptures are dead history, and a lot of folks don't like the study of history. I do, so easy for me, and I know the understanding God gives by study of those histories.

1. Not absolutely everyone born of Judah rejects Christ Jesus. That's the first thing you should recognize, even as all of Christ's Apostles were born of the Jews. So generalization of Jews with thinking they all reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ shows lack of understanding.

2. Just who are the Jews? Many brethren don't know that either, but wrongly think ALL Israelites born of the seed of Israel are Jews. Not so. And this ignorance comes from those not studying their Old Testament history. The title of 'Jew' originated from the sole tribe of Judah. And that title applied to the southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea. But the northern ten tribes dwelt in the northern parts of the land, and were not known as Jews. That means the 'majority' of Israelites too, with 10 tribes.

3. Because of what Solomon did with allowing his many wives to bring in their pagan idols into Israel, God split old Israel into 2 separate kingdoms. The Jews of the "kingdom of Judah" was in the southern land, and was made up of the 3 tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant of northern tribes that refused the gold calf idol worship in the north, and these Jews also included any stranger living in the lands south. So really the title of Jew, though it originated from the tribe of 'Judah', began to represent foreigners living in the land also (the Jewish historian Josephus who lived around 100 A.D. also confirms this).

But the ten northern tribes, God gave to Jeroboam, one born of the tribe of Ephraim (1 Kings 11). These became known as the "kingdom of Israel", or "house of Israel", and it meant the ten tribes living in the northern lands only, and not the Jews in the south. God scattered these ten northern tribes first, because of Jeroboam's idol worship they never did quit get rid of, even though they did accomplish defeats against the Baal prophets at times (like in king Ahab's day).

4. Both kingdoms had 'war' against each other. And that happened all the way up to 2 Kings 17 when God finally removed all 10 tribes out of the land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes.

5. To this day, the ten tribes of Israel have never... returned to the holy lands as a people. They lost their heritage as part of old Israel, having been scattered among the Gentiles like God said He would do to them if they fell away from Him. Even the Jews today don't know where the ten lost tribes are, nor who they are. But God knows, because He promised He would gather them in final.

6. About 120 years after God scattered the ten northern tribes of Israel, He then sent Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, upon the southern "kingdom of Judah" (Jews), and took them captive to Babylon for 70 years. After that period a small remnant of those Jews returned to Jerusalem to rebuild, but the majority of them chose to stay in Babylon, because God took good care of them there. Then the majority of those Jews in Babylon were further scattered later through the countries.

7. And this is where we still are today. The majority of ALL the 12 tribes of Israel are still scattered among the nations. Only a very small remnant of Jews have returned to the holy land to form the nation of Israel again in 1948. And the amount of land they have today is but a very, very small portion of the total lands God promised their fathers. Yet God has promised to gather them back to that land, restore the complete lands, putting both 'houses' back together again in the land (Ezekiel 37). That of course will not happen until the future return of Lord Jesus Christ on the last day of this present world.


And to you #7 point you are acknowledgment that the 12 tribes are still scattered among the nations and Israel , has no temple or sacrifices and 2 Cor 3: 11-15 is real .

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In the passage below James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith".


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.

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What man-made doctrines? That the majority of the 12 tribes of Israel are STILL scattered among the Gentiles today? The orthodox unbelieving Jews in the nation state of Israel today certainly do NOT account for the prophesied return of the 10 lost tribes of Israel. And no amount of religious wishing can make that so.

My suggestion for you is to go back and study the Old Testament histories and prophecies about the two separate 'houses' of Israel, starting in 1 Kings 11.
 
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And to you #7 point you are acknowledgment that the 12 tribes are still scattered among the nations and Israel , has no temple or sacrifices and 2 Cor 3: 11-15 is real .

dan p

The 2 Corinthians 3:14-15 verses apply to the unbelieving Jews which Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11 that God blinded so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles. So are you telling me you are ignorant of that per Paul in Romans 11?

That's not about the Jews that have... believed on Jesus Christ. So no Jew generalizations please, because that is pushing antisemitism and racism.
 
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What a butchering of God's Word, pulling a single verse out of the Scripture context of a Chapter where it appears and trying to make a whole other doctrine out of it!

That "rest" there in Solomon's day was TEMPORARY because of Israel's later rebellion after that period, even though God obviously kept His part of the covenant.

I would be terrified to be around anyone who did the same thing in electronics that they did with that single 1 Kings 8:56 verse, totally leaving understanding about the 1 Kings 8 subject in reading comprehension. If they can't pay attention long enough to understand that verse in context with the rest of that 1 Kings 8 Chapter, then what would they do in the field of electronics?
I would call using even more context for the third time to say that Solomon's speech is lying about the promises being fulfilled more akin to "butchering".

Your free to make this mistake as I did when it was similarly being used by the doctrines found in Armstrongism. I'm very familiar with that material and I'm only showing you (to use Herbert's words), "The Plain Truth".
 
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I would call using even more context for the third time to say that Solomon's speech is lying about the promises being fulfilled more akin to "butchering".

Your free to make this mistake as I did when it was similarly being used by the doctrines found in Armstrongism. I'm very familiar with that material and I'm only showing you (to use Herbert's words), "The Plain Truth".

Now that is an even bigger... pot of malarkey!
 
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