Catholics only: seeing good friends support abortion makes my heart sad

[WarriorAngel]

It's a ghastly thing, especially when they claim to be Catholic. It's fraud of the highest, most offensive, order.

The Church should sue them for using their name

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I am so sorry. Is he a practicing Catholic?

No, want's nothing to do with religion

 

[RileyG]

No, want's nothing to do with religion

My prayers are with you. God bless

 

[Gnarwhal]

The Church should sue them for using their name

I wish they'd do that to every CINO university like Marquette and Georgetown, and also to the National Catholic Reporter. But the bulk of our leadership is rather feckless.

 

[pdudgeon]

I wish they'd do that to every CINO university like Marquette and Georgetown, and also to the National Catholic Reporter. But the bulk of our leadership is rather feckless.

One day when it is too late, if they do not repent of it on this Earth they will answer for it to God.
And He will give them a fitting punishment. That's what Purgatory is for.
And if, in the Afterlife, they are of the same mind still, then we will know where to find them.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I am sad that souls are under the delusion that we can claim conscience to ignore Church teaching. That is patently false. No organization allows members that are opposed to it. Even Our Lord said, a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.
Catholic teaching is that those that procure an abortion, perform an abortion or assist carry an automatic excommunication. This puts them in a state of mortal sin, and unless repented of and confessed, they heap condemnation on themselves if they receive communion, as they are not properly disposed to receive the body and blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ. I know our leaders have not raised the alarm and have allowed them to take communion, but that does not absolve them, and it makes our leaders complicit in their sin.

Freedom of conscience allows the faithful to go beyond Church teaching as Paul taught that some with weak faith could eat only vegetables, and others could eat meat. He never taught that we could ignore Church teaching, and bring Christ to open shame.
The Catholics for choice website is definitely mislabeled as no Catholic can make a choice for abortion and remain Catholic; they are excommunicated whether their conscience tells them or not. What is most frightening and sad is the Catholics for choice says the majority of Catholics think abortion is morally acceptable.
Forgive them Father, they don’t know what they are doing

 

[WarriorAngel]

Our conscience is based on what we know.
Unfortunately a lot of women are misled because of ignorance.
And their deliberate misrepresentation of teaching can lead many astray.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Our conscience is based on what we know.
Unfortunately a lot of women are misled because of ignorance.
And their deliberate misrepresentation of teaching can lead many astray.

There is the argument for invincible ignorance vs willful ignorance. When I had a doubtful conscience regarding birth control, I was not convinced of the arguments against it, but for some reason I did not feel comfortable practicing it, although it was what I had done most of my life. If I had been told all was well and good, I may never have repented of that sin.
Our leaders have to have the courage to teach better, but we are still responsible for investigating the truth on our own. It’s a hunger and thirst for righteousness

 

[WarriorAngel]

There is the argument for invincible ignorance vs willful ignorance. When I had a doubtful conscience regarding birth control, I was not convinced of the arguments against it, but for some reason I did not feel comfortable practicing it, although it was what I had done most of my life. If I had been told all was well and good, I may never have repented of that sin.
Our leaders have to have the courage to teach better, but we are still responsible for investigating the truth on our own. It’s a hunger and thirst for righteousness

True.
The mind is slow in times of fear.
Fight or flight mode.

A desperate woman may want answers and they handed the pamphlets from Catholics for a choice.
Their writing makes it seem sensible.

A lot of women learn after their regret.
Abortion harms 2. These women say it's a right, but the regrets of the women, nobody will hear them.
It's the women without a conscience who out scream the tears of the ones who wish they never did it.

Statistically speaking, it harms the woman, but the cha ching $$$ of abortionists silence them.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I know people who sometimes break down and cry over that choice and they don't have a voice.

I know a woman crusader who travels speaking on this from Canada.
She converted to Christianity and it's all she can do to keep going from her choices.

I seriously wish the Church would sue them, because it's a horrible thing to live through from those lies.

 

[boughtwithaprice]

I know people who sometimes break down and cry over that choice and they don't have a voice.

I know a woman crusader who travels speaking on this from Canada.
She converted to Christianity and it's all she can do to keep going from her choices.

I seriously wish the Church would sue them, because it's a horrible thing to live through from those lies.

I would like to see them sued also because a lot of people believe the lies of the sexual Revolution. It’s across the board male and female regret believing the lies
The sins are not unforgivable but they are painful in more ways than one. We need to stand strong and counter the lies, and also mend the broken hearted

 

[RileyG]

I need to stay off social media. Some of these posts on FB are breaking my heart

 

[pdudgeon]

I need to stay off social media. Some of these posts on FB are breaking my heart

They scare me.
Being an active Christian used to be a good thing. Now being an active Christian is a dangerous thing.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I would like to see them sued also because a lot of people believe the lies of the sexual Revolution. It’s across the board male and female regret believing the lies
The sins are not unforgivable but they are painful in more ways than one. We need to stand strong and counter the lies, and also mend the broken hearted

I say we infiltrate using 'Catholics for a choice' title but with truth so they read truth and not the lies??

Or just plain get the Church to stand up against their name used.

 

[concretecamper]

I have no other words.



Social media can be so disheartening sometimes.

Lord, have mercy

I place the blame at the feet of the Bishops. With the USCCB, Abortion has just become one of many important issues. They have failed the faithful. On the abortion issue, they sicken me. They should proclaim that it is the most important issue.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I place the blame at the feet of the Bishops. With the USCCB, Abortion has just become one of many important issues. They have failed the faithful. On the abortion issue, they sicken me. They should proclaim that it is the most important issue.

What should the bishops have done, other than what they did in speaking out and protesting pro-abortion laws and supporting pro-life initiatives?

 

[RileyG]

I place the blame at the feet of the Bishops. With the USCCB, Abortion has just become one of many important issues. They have failed the faithful. On the abortion issue, they sicken me. They should proclaim that it is the most important issue.

Amen

 

[boughtwithaprice]

What should the bishops have done, other than what they did in speaking out and protesting pro-abortion laws and supporting pro-life initiatives?

Stop pushing the seamless garment theory that gives Catholics a pass to vote for pro-abortion politicians because climate change, immigration, and socialized medicine are just as important as murdered babies and unbridled lust. Great teaching you got there, the poor are just as poor and you have over 60,000,000 babies slaughtered. How is it working out for you? oh right, you get plenty of government cash in this life, but what about the judgement seat? Lord have mercy

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Stop pushing the seamless garment theory that gives Catholics a pass to vote for pro-abortion politicians because climate change, immigration, and socialized medicine are just as important as murdered babies and unbridled lust. Great teaching you got there, the poor are just as poor and you have over 60,000,000 babies slaughtered. How is it working out for you? oh right, you get plenty of government cash in this life, but what about the judgement seat? Lord have mercy

Just so we're on the same page with the "seamless garment theory."

Put simply, the Seamless Garment postulates that being pro-life involves not only fighting against abortion, but also against euthanasia, the death penalty, war, social injustice, anti-immigrant sentiment, and a host of other social issues that can also result in the death of human beings, whether directly or indirectly.

How did this theory make Catholics vote for abortion?

 

[boughtwithaprice]

Just so we're on the same page with the "seamless garment theory."

Put simply, the Seamless Garment postulates that being pro-life involves not only fighting against abortion, but also against euthanasia, the death penalty, war, social injustice, anti-immigrant sentiment, and a host of other social issues that can also result in the death of human beings, whether directly or indirectly.

How did this theory make Catholics vote for abortion?

ok, the theory puts these on the same footing but they are not. Abortion and Euthanasia are intrinsically evil, that is always sinful. They are not the same, as the death penalty is biblical and is part of Catholic teaching. Francis says that today we are better able to incarcerate prisoners and the death penalty is not necessary. That may be true, but it does not make the death penalty intrinsically evil. According to previous theologians, war is sometimes just, not all the time, but sometimes, so that is not intrinsically evil.
Anti-immigrant sentiment is a red herring. There may be some extremists that are against all immigrants, but the overwhelming majority of conservatives are against the situation we have now in the USA, which is open borders. Jerusalem's walls were rebuilt. When the walls were down, it was desolate and unsafe, when the walls were rebuilt, the just could live safely. Open borders does not only allow immigrants to come into our country, but criminals and terrorists as well, so those that are against open borders are not intrinsically evil.
In the twenty first century, social justice has been used as and excuse to support socialism and communism, which are intrinsically evil and against church teaching. Liberation theology has been roundly condemned. Social justice has been the main virtue signaling cover for those that vote for politicians that support abortion and euthanasia. If you want to give to the poor, by all means do so and it is righteous to give alms, but don't shove some Marxist, Leninist, Maoist system down our throats and call it right and just. That system has been condemned by the Church and has lead to untold millions of deaths and persecution of the Church. Capitalism is no better as both try to replace God with economic issues. Fulton Sheen once said a communist is just a capitalist with no cash in his pocket; both want the same thing and are anti-Christ. Some politicians are Marxist/socialist, and voting for them for social justice reasons despite their support for abortion and euthanasia is probably the most unjust thing one can do.
Calling these things Pro-life is probably another red herring, as it distracts us from the truth. I do not call myself Pro-life. Salvation is not to be found on this Earth, and death is not something to be feared. To live is Christ, to die is gain. What does it profit a man should he gain the whole world, yet lose his own soul? Also, fear not those that can kill the body, but He who after He has killed the body is able to cast you body and soul into hell, fear Him. I am Pro-eternal life.
Abortion and Euthanasia are against God's law, are intrinsically evil, and those that do them or support them will be judged by God, unless they repent. The other acts may or may not extend human life, but at what cost? What would one say to God at the judgement? Yes Lord, I supported these politicians that make your law of no effect, but I supported helping people live a longer life on Earth.
Somehow I don't see that going well for that soul.

The seamless garment theory was used to equate intrinsically evil acts with those that are not always evil and use those not always evil acts as an excuse to support politicians that vote for abortion and euthanasia. That is the whole reason seamless garment was proposed by Cardinal Bernadine. I'll take a short life here with eternal life in Heaven over a long life on Earth with eternal damnation any day. Some people do not feel that way; the twenty first century mind set is to fight death at all costs without regard to the health of the soul. I am sad that people die, sure, but I am more grieved that many die outside of sanctifying grace by ignoring or deliberately countering the laws of God