First I assume something that most people do not, and that is the 7 seals are the entire book of Revelation.
The church is currently in Paradise. Yes or no?Can you PLEASE answer these simple questions:
1) Where will current Christians be during the 1000 year reign, am I right that you are saying in heaven/paradise but NOT earth?
2) Who goes into or is alive at the start of the 1000 period to reproduce & populate the Earth once
again? & what is you justification for your position on this please
Near the end of the 7 years, the 200,000,000 man army destroys a third of mankind (the second mention woe to the inhabiters of the earth) - the Chinese and allies on their way to the middle east - the battles in Daniel 11:40-45.
b. the four angels bound in river Euphrates (dried up in Revelation 16:12, the sixth vial of wrath) - a third of mankind killed by the Chinese army and allies. Near the end of the 7 years, the battles in Daniel 11:40-45.
Where is the church then; dead? You think there have only been a couple hundred redeemed in the last 5,000 years, but only in the last 100 years is the "bulk" of the church?Gee, 2 questions and you come back with another, really helpful - NOT.
No, the church is not currently in paradise but we are not currently in the 1000 year period after the GT either, whats your point??
Because where they are now may not be where they will be after the 2nd coming. This was the 1st of my fairly simple questions seeking what your opinion was. Apologies if it was too complex for you!Where is the church then; dead? You think there have only been a couple hundred redeemed in the last 5,000 years, but only in the last 100 years is the "bulk" of the church?
Are you saying only Jesus is currently in Paradise?
If you cannot figure out where the church currently is, how will you understand where the church is after the Second Coming?
End of the century is 80 years away, so the 50% reduction forecast is irrelevant. The beginning of the 7 years is very close, within the next 8 years or so.China population is decreasing and some estimates put a 50% reduction before the end of the century.
The church has been in Paradise since the Cross. The church will remain in Paradise until the NHNE, when Paradise comes down out of Heaven as the New Jerusalem. This is how I have always stated that fact.Because where they are now may not be where they will be after the 2nd coming. This was the 1st of my fairly simple questions seeking what your opinion was. Apologies if it was too complex for you!
So in case you feel like providing your opinion in a way that anyone can understand i'll ask the 2 questions again.
1) Where will current Christians be during the 1000 year reign, am I right that you are saying in heaven/paradise but NOT earth?
2) Who goes into or is alive at the start of the 1000 period to reproduce & populate the Earth once
again? & if possible what is you justification for your position on this please
The church has been in Paradise since the Cross. The church will remain in Paradise until the NHNE, when Paradise comes down out of Heaven as the New Jerusalem. This is how I have always stated that fact
The way Russia's military is performing, no way they can go beyond Ukraine, let alone attack Israel. Russia's population is also aging rapidly.End of the century is 80 years away, so the 50% reduction forecast is irrelevant. The beginning of the 7 years is very close, within the next 8 years or so.
China's current population is 1,448,471,400.
200,000,000 army from China alone would leave them with 1,248,471,400. Include Japan and Korea, that number is not out of reach.
The 7 years begin following the Gog/Magog event, which Russia is now setting itself up for.
The 200,000,000 man army will be at the end of the great tribulation and nothing in past human history can compare to what will take place at that time. It will not be a orderly build up of their military at present numbers to reach the 200,000,0000. It will be more spontaneous.China only has just under 1 million active troops. There is no way they can field an (equipped) army even approaching the 200million any time soon. It would ruin they're economy, take all their resources and take years & it would be filled with people 40+ years old, not really the best to have march such a along distance.
If it were that easy to spontaneously create an army then Ukraine would now have a spontaneous army of 5 million or more and easily push 100,000 Russians out but that's not the case.The 200,000,000 man army will be at the end of the great tribulation and nothing in past human history can compare to what will take place at that time. It will not be a orderly build up of their military at present numbers to reach the 200,000,0000. It will be more spontaneous.
Thanks for the explanation, in Post #45 you also state that human loss is 100% and people have to be beheaded. Who are the beheaded, are they people you say above are chosen by God to got into the new millenium? So even the chosen wheat and sheep are killed?The church has been in Paradise since the Cross. The church will remain in Paradise until the NHNE, when Paradise comes down out of Heaven as the New Jerusalem. This is how I have always stated that fact.
No verse in Revelation 20 states the New Jerusalem descends at a Second Coming for the 1,000 year reign on earth. The church does not leave Paradise. The church is not with Christ at Armageddon in Revelation 19. The church is not mentioned in Revelation 20:4 as those resurrected.
Those living in the 1,000 year reign are from earth after the church has been removed at the 6th Seal. The 144k sealed between the 6th and 7th Seal are on earth. The firstfruits. The sheep in Matthew 25 are people currently alive who are not part of the church. They are of Jacob from all nations. The wheat in Matthew 13 are Gentiles currently alive, who are not the church. All these are people elect by God after the church is gone as a redeemed remnant, but not the glorified church. They are not saved by choice nor unseen faith. They are chosen by God as firstfruits. They are not past dead people. They are currently alive today.
This is not a "second chance" "left behind" scenario. The sheep are granted eternal life by God's choice. The wheat is gathered and "put in the barn" by God's choice. Those living on earth ruling with Christ for 1,000 years are doing so by God's choice, not a free will conscious choice of faith in the Atonement. They do not change themselves. They are physically changed by God, and their sin nature removed.
Death is the shedding of Adam's flesh. Would you call the rapture, being "killed"? John does not tell us how the sheep get from point A to point B. Nor does Jesus. John does not define the rapture and Second Coming from the standpoint of the redeemed on earth.Thanks for the explanation, in Post #45 you also state that human loss is 100% and people have to be beheaded. Who are the beheaded, are they people you say above are chosen by God to got into the new millenium? So even the chosen wheat and sheep are killed?
The situation in Ukraine is not comparable to the situation that will be at the end of the great tribulation. The bible gives the size of the army, not any other information, except that they will destroy a third of mankind alive at the time.If it were that easy to spontaneously create an army then Ukraine would now have a spontaneous army of 5 million or more and easily push 100,000 Russians out but that's not the case.
A spontaneous army of 200million won't be an equipped army, just a rabble of peasants with at best a rifle each. There won't even be the logistics chain available to keep them fed during the march to the middle east. 200million is more people than most countries have. Many would starve to death on the way during the march.
I'm guessing you're thinking 2030 - 2033 is the 2000 year time frame since the resurrection etc. & that's the reason for your estimates but I don't think the timings are possible at the moment.
The situation in Ukraine is comparable because it highlights how difficult it is to raise a well equipped army and support it logistically. Russia has had all sorts of logistical problems and that's just for a short incursion of 150km or so into a neighboring county let alone march half way around the world!The situation in Ukraine is not comparable to the situation that will be at the end of the great tribulation. The bible gives the size of the army, not any other information, except that they will destroy a third of mankind alive at the time.
My expectation of when is based on the parable of the fig tree, the fig tree being Jerusalem and 70 years for a generation. The forum rules prevent me from spelling it out.
Ok, don't really with agree with your views but always open to different interpretations & the reasoning behind them.Death is the shedding of Adam's flesh. Would you call the rapture, being "killed"? John does not tell us how the sheep get from point A to point B. Nor does Jesus. John does not define the rapture and Second Coming from the standpoint of the redeemed on earth.
Matthew 13 declares the wheat is harvested by the angels. It would seem to me that the sheep and wheat gathered, after the Second Coming, are taken by the angels directly to the start of the Millennium. They are not placed in Death's suspension until the 42 months are over. That is why the angels are the one's doing the harvesting. Otherwise we would be told they died and are resurrected. Those beheaded during that 42 month time are resurrected. We are not told where their souls wait either, unless they are the one's on the sea of glass in Revelation 15:2. Even the sheep and wheat could be there as well. Yet we are told there is a resurrection that starts off this 1,000 year reign with Christ.
You are not visualizing the world near the end of the great tribulation. The situation in Ukraine, and raising an army in the current world situation is not comparable to when the survival of all the people in a nation is imminent.The situation in Ukraine is comparable because it highlights how difficult it is to raise a well equipped army and support it logistically. Russia has had all sorts of logistical problems and that's just for a short incursion of 150km or so into a neighboring county let alone march half way around the world!
You are going to find your understanding or interpretation of scripture is wrong.
I'm aware that's the size the bible gives but its not humanly possible to raise a proper army of 200 million on short notice in the next decade or so.