Great collage of cherry picked verses except that they prove nothing. I wonder why you didn't use verse four in the collage?Not with ink but the spirit of the living God. Not on tables of stone but on the fleshly tables of the heart are we the epistles of Christ. So let’s not say in our heart let’s bring Christ down from above, or bring him up from the deep. But what shall we say, His Word, Christ is nigh unto us. In our hearts and in our mouths. That is the word of faith in which we preach. For God has said, He will put His Laws in our hearts and in our minds write them. For He has given us of His Spirit, Love. And as He is so are we in this world. And on this hang, depend all the law and prophets. And that my friend would include the Sabbath.
Beautiful verses, but I don't understand how you can use them to deny that the following verses (6-11) tell us that the 10 commandments were temporary. By not accepting the truth of Paul's writings you deny that we are not under the guidance of the Holy Spirit and tell us we are under the guidance of the ten commandments. Question: how could we have love in our hearts if the commandments are what is guiding us, since there is nothing about love in any of the ten? Love is the great theme of the New Testament. Doesn't it deserve a place in our hearts?2 Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2 Corinthians 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
It is quite easily proven Bob, Exodus 20:8-11 is God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments, rejected today by mainstream Christianity. Look around you Bob, how many of the 40,000 flavors of Christianity keep God's 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments that according to the scriptures, give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)?Another statement that you cannot prove.
Scholars opinions are a dime a dozen. I am sure scholars can be found that disagree with you, Jamieson, Fausset and Brown. Scripture written by God's scholar, Paul in 2Cor 3:7-11 refutes Jamieson, Fausset and Brown.
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
Have you noticed that Paul here wrote those verses in the past tense. That means the ministry of death is no longer binding on the nation it was given. The remainder of the people were never given the Sabbaths. The conclusion is that you are only presenting an imaginary sin because even the Israelites are no longer under the dictates of the old covenant laws
No one LGW and that includes you unless God accepts you lip service when you declare that you Keep them. By the way, those ten commandments were directly for only one nation. God has never handed tablets of stone with ten commandment written on them for any other nation. They ended at Calvary where our Savior ratified the new and better covenant that is for all nations. It does not contain a command to rest on a certain day and remember the flight out of Egypt. God is perfect, He extended salvation to Gentiles whose ancestry were never captive in Egypt. He wouldn't expect Gentiles to honor a day given only to Israel to commemorate now would He? Do you honor the day France was liberated by paying some sort of tribute?It is quite easily proven Bob, Exodus 20:8-11 is God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments, rejected today by mainstream Christianity. Look around you Bob, how many of the 40,000 flavors of Christianity keep God's 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments that according to the scriptures, give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)?
Take Care.
Sorry Bob, I thought that is what you were doing. Our opinions do not really mean much in God's eyes. Only God's Word is truth therefore and we should believe and follow them according to Romans 3:4 and Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Please see the scriptures in post # 529 linked that disagree with your teachings. Happy to discuss them further with you if you want to?LGW, you seem to think you can paste the same argument over and over and it will somehow morph into truth.
Not really Bob, God's Israel in the new covenant are no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham who believe Gods' Word. In the new covenant God's Israel is now all those who are born of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise through faith *see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 2:28-29; Romans 3:28-29. If we are not born again into Gods Israel according to the scriptures we have no part in Gods new covenant promise. *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27.No one LGW and that includes you unless God accepts you lip service when you declare that you Keep them. By the way, those ten commandments were directly for only one nation. God has never handed tablets of stone with ten commandment written on them for any other nation. They ended at Calvary where our Savior ratified the new and better covenant that is for all nations. It does not contain a command to rest on a certain day and remember the flight out of Egypt. God is perfect, He extended salvation to Gentiles whose ancestry were never captive in Egypt. He wouldn't expect Gentiles to honor a day given only to Israel to commemorate now would He? Do you honor the day France was liberated by paying some sort of tribute?
How can we but notice you didn't respond to my opening statement that answered your question in post #523. You keep telling us that we have to "keep" the fourth commandment yet you will not comment on my statement denying that you really keep it. I submit to you that not one of the SDAs I have ever met ever really kept the Sabbath as the law prescribed yet you tell us we have to keep it or we are lawless. I contend that even if you could be correct, neither of us will inherit the Kingdom, you because you fail in your attempt and me because I do not believe the command is binding on Christians.Not really Bob, God's Israel in the new covenant are no longer only those born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham who believe Gods' Word. In the new covenant God's Israel is now all those who are born of the Spirit into God's new covenant promise through faith *see Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 2:28-29; Romans 3:28-29. If we are not born again into Gods Israel according to the scriptures we have no part in Gods new covenant promise. *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27.
Take Care Bob.
Did not need to Bob. You do not know me. Please read Romans 2:1-8How can we but notice you didn't respond to my opening statement that answered your question in post #523.
Bob do you believe these scriptures...You keep telling us that we have to "keep" the fourth commandment yet you will not comment on my statement denying that you really keep it.
Please read Romans 2:1-8I submit to you that not one of the SDAs I have ever met ever really kept the Sabbath as the law prescribed yet you tell us we have to keep it or we are lawless. I contend that even if you could be correct, neither of us will inherit the Kingdom, you because you fail in your attempt and me because I do not believe the command is binding on Christians.
Scripture disagrees with you linked.As far as we who believe in Jesus and love others as He loves us becoming spiritual Jews, I don't believe it and no one has ever proven such a thing, so I believe I am a child of God saved by His marvelous Grace and not by trying to keep laws that were not intended for me.
Sorry
Your apology accepted Bob, thank you.Sorry to LGW. You are the one that should study Rom 2. I have never written anything about your salvation. I do not judge.
Whoa LGW, I need to clear something up with you. I didn't apologize for anything with you. The "to" was a mistake, but even so it would be a huge stretch to believe it concerned an apology, so don't get your hope up.Your apology accepted Bob, thank you.
Ok Bob, up to you.Whoa LGW, I need to clear something up with you. I didn't apologize for anything with you. The "to" was a mistake, but even so it would be a huge stretch to believe it concerned an apology, so don't get your hope up.
Cherry picked collage? Sad one has to be told they are all saying the same thing and have everything to do it. For Christ lived, died, and resurrected that we be one with him and God through His Spirit. That God’s Word, His Law through Christ be in our hearts. Not that out efficiency be of ourselves but of God. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasureGreat collage of cherry picked verses except that they prove nothing. I wonder why you didn't use verse four in the collage?
Please follow alongI wonder why you didn't use verse four in the collage? Rom 10: 1Dear brothers and sisters, the longing of my heart and my prayer to God is for the people of Israel to be saved. 2 I know what enthusiasm they have for God, but it is misdirected zeal. 3 For they don’t understand God’s way of making people right with himself. Refusing to accept God’s way, they cling to their own way of getting right with God by trying to keep the law. 4 For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right…
support a teaching of lawlessness (without law). If you read the scriptures this teaching is the very opposite of what Gods' Word says. If there was no law we would have no knowledge of what sin is when those laws are broken. If we do not have any knowledge of what sin is then we have no need of a Savior from sin and if we have no Savior from our sins we have no salvation because we are still lost in our sins without God's forgiveness. This is what Jesus was trying to teach us in Matthew 9:12-13, Paul in Galatians 3:22-25 and Jesus again in Matthew 5:17.Cherry picked collage? Sad one has to be told they are all saying the same thing and have everything to do it. For Christ lived, died, and resurrected that we be one with him and God through His Spirit. That God’s Word, His Law through Christ be in our hearts. Not that out efficiency be of ourselves but of God. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure
Not with ink but the spirit of the living God. Not on tables of stone but on the fleshly tables of the heart are we the epistles of Christ. So let’s not say in our heart let’s bring Christ down from above, or bring him up from the deep. But what shall we say, His Word, Christ is nigh unto us. In our hearts and in our mouths. That is the word of faith in which we preach. For God has said, He will put His Laws in our hearts and in our minds write them. For He has given us of His Spirit, Love. And as He is so are we in this world. And on this hang, depend all the law and prophets. And that my friend would include the Sabbath
Please follow along
The righteousness of God is the righteousness of Faith. And that is not of ourselves it is a gift from God.
So say not in your heart who will bring Christ down from above or up from the depths. For the WORD is nigh thee in thy heart and in thy mouth. THAT IS the WORD of Faith in which we preach. That the Word through Christ is in the heart which results in true faith. For God has said He will put His Laws, His word through Christ in our heart and in our minds. For Christ is the end of the Law written on tables of stone parchment for righteousness for all whom believe because now we have faith from our new hearts which have His Word, His Law which includes the Seventh Day Sabbath written in our hearts and minds.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
We won't do all the things you listed if we believe Jesus is our Savior and do what He asks, love others as He loves us. As far as remembering the Sabbath is concerned God only asked the people of one nation to do that. Why do you insist He placed that on us? Love is not about keep ritual days. The now defunct Sabbath God gave to Israel was defiantly a ritual. Believers in the new covenant Jesus gave to all mankind doesn't require but one or two rituals, partaking of communion and marriage. You cannot show me from scripture anything about being required to keep any day. Since you are not able the case is closed. Do what you like, but please do not spread falsehood.