Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’

[ArmenianJohn]

Seven of Nine's husband was republican!

Sorry, I don't understand this - I'm sure it's funny but I don't get the reference

 

[Aldebaran]

Ok. If BLM left a letter saying that on your desk at work, you wouldn’t be turning that over to the FBI as some sort of threat? You would just think, “Good, justice is a good thing.”?

No, I wouldn't. There's no threat being made.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes, I know it was a question, that's why I answered it. And you used the term "protesting while white" indicating you're well aware of her white privilege. I'm agreeing with you on that!

Are white people the only ones allowed to protest?

 

[Aldebaran]

Sorry, I don't understand this - I'm sure it's funny but I don't get the reference

Star Trek Voyager character is Seven of Nine. The actress who played the role (Jeri Ryan) is married to a Republican.

 

[Aldebaran]

Capitol rioter compares attacks on her to treatment of ‘Jews in Germany’ (yahoo.com)

Capitol rioter Jenna Ryan speaks out before federal prison sentence (today.com)

From the article:

No, we have an idea what her beliefs are. A very good idea, in fact, based on what she herself has broadcasted to the world.

If you don't want to be seen as a caricature then don't put yourself out there as one.

And of course, what can I even say about the "Jews in Germany" remark - it just says it all about her victim mentality. She feels as though being held responsible for her own actions and words makes her a victim of persecution exactly how a Jew in Germany would be thrown into a concentration camp and tortured until killed. This is what this woman thinks. And the worst thing about this is that she even KNOWS that it is wrong to compare herself to the victims of the Holocaust because she goes on to acknowledge that she doesn't want to repeat it and that she knows others have also been criticized for saying it.

Why is nobody on the conservative side calling for accountability and responsibility on her part? Why is every conservative silent about this woman's attitude and behavior? I can only surmise it's because they empathize and relate to her and her mindset. Perhaps I'm wrong - someone can feel free to show me where my conclusion is wrong.

The second link above is her interview on the TODAY show this morning. She certainly seems regretful, but not for what she did so much as for being caught and being held accountable. She brought her prison sentence upon herself in so many ways and on so many levels.

Sadly and quite pathetically she says in that interview "I wish people would change their minds and love me". I pray for her that she turns to Jesus so that His Love can fill the void in her soul and help her repent and change from her foolish and self-destructive ways.

The Vice president compared Jan. 6th to Pearl Harbor, which is an insult to those 2,000+ people who died that day, and to the survivors, not to mention the veterans of the war that followed.
Number of people killed in the Capitol on Jan. 6th: ONE.

 

[JustOneWay]

Sorry, I don't understand this - I'm sure it's funny but I don't get the reference

Just silliness, really. 7 of 9 was a Borg on Star Trek, played by Jeri Ryan and married to republican Jack Ryan, who ran against Obama for Senate in 2004. He withdrew after it was discovered he was a sexual deviant, making way for carpetbagger Alan Keyes to run against Obama. The rest is history. She did divorce him and perhaps it was a bit of wokeness on her part! However it is still not known to me if she is a democrat.... I can't really say that the left is like the Borg because the Borg is of one mind and led by one leader. Anybody who knows democrats understand that the democratic party doesn't do 'one mind' mentality. The republican party loves to follow the leader.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Star Trek Voyager character is Seven of Nine. The actress who played the role (Jeri Ryan) is married to a Republican.

Thank you! I would not have known. I'm too old. The only thing I know about any Star Trek after the original one is that Sergeant Getraer's son played Captain Kirk. Upon Googling further, I see now that "Borg" was not a reference to Bjorn, either.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Just silliness, really. 7 of 9 was a Borg on Star Trek, played by Jeri Ryan and married to republican Jack Ryan, who ran against Obama for Senate in 2004. He withdrew after it was discovered he was a sexual deviant, making way for carpetbagger Alan Keyes to run against Obama. The rest is history. She did divorce him and perhaps it was a bit of wokeness on her part! However it is still not known to me if she is a democrat.... I can't really say that the left is like the Borg because the Borg is of one mind and led by one leader. Anybody who knows democrats understand that the democratic party doesn't do 'one mind' mentality. The republican party loves to follow the leader.

Thanks for the explanation! I thought "Borg" was a reference to the legendary tennis champion Bjorn Borg, LOL. Interesting story about that actress and her connection to (and later disconnection from) the Republicans.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

The Vice president compared Jan. 6th to Pearl Harbor, which is an insult to those 2,000+ people who died that day, and to the survivors, not to mention the veterans of the war that followed.
Number of people killed in the Capitol on Jan. 6th: ONE.

I think Biden's comparison is hyperbolic but not nearly an insult to anyone. Do you think the woman in the OP insulted the Jewish holocaust victims by comparing her experience to theirs? I think the hyperbole on both sides comes from the same mentality which exists on both sides, but I think it's far more extreme on the right.

 

[JustOneWay]

Thank you! I would not have known. I'm too old. The only thing I know about any Star Trek after the original one is that Sergeant Getraer's son played Captain Kirk. Upon Googling further, I see now that "Borg" was not a reference to Bjorn, either.

That comment was hilarious! I've followed all the Star Trek series. The newest movies are great.

 

[Aldebaran]

I think Biden's comparison is hyperbolic but not nearly an insult to anyone. Do you think the woman in the OP insulted the Jewish holocaust victims by comparing her experience to theirs? I think the hyperbole on both sides comes from the same mentality which exists on both sides, but I think it's far more extreme on the right.

The "president" (joe) standing at the podium and referring to protesters as "insurrectionists" even though not a single person has been charged with, or found guilty of that crime is insulting enough that I hope to see some mighty large lawsuits being filed against him is rather insulting. He can ask his son Hunter for a loan if he can't afford the settlement payments.
Oh yeah, and kamalla's comparison of Jan 6th to Pearl Harbor is pretty insulting as well. As if a foreign nation doing an airstrike against a U.S. military target and killing over 2,000 of our military members is equal to protesters demanding answers, and one of them being shot by a trigger-happy cop.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

The "president" (joe)

Why is "president" in quotes? And his name is President Joe Biden.

standing at the podium and referring to protesters as "insurrectionists" even though not a single person has been charged with, or found guilty of that crime

It's the correct term, they were insurrectionists. He was being nice if that's all he called them. Republicans have called them terrorists and anarchists.

is insulting enough that I hope to see some mighty large lawsuits being filed against him is rather insulting. He can ask his son Hunter for a loan if he can't afford the settlement payments.

Lawsuits for what? LOL

Oh yeah, and kamalla's comparison of Jan 6th to Pearl Harbor is pretty insulting as well. As if a foreign nation doing an airstrike against a U.S. military target and killing over 2,000 of our military members is equal to protesters demanding answers, and one of them being shot by a trigger-happy cop.

As if Jan. 6 was just "protesters demanding answers", LOL!!! Quite the imagination!!! As for the insurrectionist was shot, she fooled around and found out - play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Aldebaran]

Why is "president" in quotes? And his name is President Joe Biden.


It's the correct term, they were insurrectionists. He was being nice if that's all he called them. Republicans have called them terrorists and anarchists.


Lawsuits for what? LOL


As if Jan. 6 was just "protesters demanding answers", LOL!!! Quite the imagination!!! As for the insurrectionist was shot, she fooled around and found out - play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

All the questions you ask were answered in the post you quoted.
As for your final statement, you might want to tone down such talk if you're hoping to win anyone to Christ.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

All the questions you ask were answered in the post you quoted.

I asked 2 questions and neither were answered in that post, which is why I asked them. You never explain why "president" is in quotes - is it because you deny the election was valid? You never say what you want the lawsuits to be for only that you want them and you want Biden to lose money in them. There are no lawsuits that can be filed against Biden, which is why I asked what lawsuits you're talking about.

As for your final statement, you might want to tone down such talk if you're hoping to win anyone to Christ.

Why? I'm simply stating in more modern language what God's Word already states about rebelling against governmental authority and the reason the government bears the sword (or in this case, the gun). It's not a secret and it wouldn't hinder anyone from believing in the Gospel; it's Biblical, after all.

 

[disciple Clint]

None at all? Are you sure? Because I can think of many examples, including Biblical ones.


You mean like these?

(stating that the entire msm has inadequacies)


(grouping together all of BLM/ANTIFA groups into one massive supergroup and blaming them for "one billioin in property damage")


(lumping together "the people who made that graphic" and all of the NYT and CNN as having bias and therefore losing credibility)


(lumping together your friends and identifying expected behavior of the group when they drink liquor)


Well, talk about losing credibility.......


I don't believe you at all. Apparently it's not "typical" at all and you can't even come up with just a few examples so you are giving an excuse.

Or perhaps you are trying not to dig a deeper hole in your claim that behavior is "typical" among a certain group of people and you know that by identifying such a group of people you would be directly exposing your hypocrisy in bemoaning how others paint a group of people with a broad brush stroke? "Typical" is a description of something that is regularly occurring - the question is, with or by who? Is it a certain group? Can you identify examples? Oh yeah, "something something don't want to cite examples, something....." ....Riiiiiiight....


So you made a claim about certain behavior being "typical" about groups of people and you realize now that if you cite examples then you are demonstrating that you actually do make statements that discriminate against groups of people. Got it!!! (We all can see it!!!)


Limited to Christ? OK. Tell me, what compassion is greater than Christ Himself? Please explain.



Well then either you lack discernment or you are choosing not to discern because you don't want to be critical of someone who espouses your own political agenda.


Oh, I do know that, I can discern. The Word of God doesn't tell us to just accept everything everyone does but to evaluate and make judgments.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Funny but earlier you had no problem judging the "bias" of all the people in the msm/NYT/CNN, and no problem judging BLM/ANTIFA, and no problem judging the woman in the OP as having made a mistake... Hmmm....



First, when Christ said that, He was referring to judgment in the sense of meting out justice, not in the sense of judging righteous judgment whereby you evaluate something to understand it according to Scripture. Let me know if you need further explanation about that.

But even so, you have no problem judging me as you are doing throughout this very post. Not to mention your judgment of msm/NYT/CNN and BLM and ANTIFA....


So now you're lumping together all "the people who have read a few of [my] posts" and speaking for them?

What pattern have all of them seen? Should be an easy answer for you since you're the one bringing it up. Can you back up your assertion??? Or were you just lumping people together and speaking for them based on the behavior and views you believe they should have???


That's quite a judgment of me. Why do you address my opinion on compassion if you're "not at all concerned about" it??? I think we all know why.


Who are you to judge her and determine that she made a mistake, let alone many??? How do you make that judgment after excoriating me for "judging"??? You seem certain she "made a mistake" - what is the basis of that judgment you are definitively making?


So you do use judgment? Earlier you told me you don't use judgment because you thought that Christ said not to judge. Of course, right after that you judged the woman as having made a mistake. Which is it? Which story do you want to proceed with? Can you make up your mind between your two contradicting stories??? Do you judge or not judge?


And yet you somehow know to judge them as "a mistake" or "possibly many mistakes". If you were able to judge them as such then how do you not know what they are rooted in? If her actions are not rooted in anything wrong then how are they wrong? Are you saying a good tree can somehow produce bad fruit?


So you are going to assume that her motivations were such that they were not evil or sinful motivations and that her mistakes were innocent mistakes that anyone could have made. So you judged her motivations; you judged them favorably but you made your judgment. And you here admit that you judge her as having done wrong and you try to sugar-coat it as "mistakes".

BLM/ANTIFA grouped themselves together since they participated in the same riots which is what was being addressed.

There is no question that news organizations have a bias as do fact check organizations. What is your point? The fact that the NYT and CNN have lost credibility is a fact than can be verified.

I know my friends far better than you do. Again what is your point?

I am not going to give you examples of bigoted speech. That would be a violation of CF rules.

Providing you with specific examples of posts that contain statements that discriminate against specifics groups would also be a violation of the rules of this forum.

I would not even begin to compare my compassion to the compassion of Jesus that would be extremely prideful nor am I going to judge if anyone else has shown compassion comparable to that of Christ.

You are free to make the judgment that I lack discernment because I will not condemn someone to the degree that you have said that you feel is appropriate. Frankly I am not concerned with convicting and condemning people for their mistakes I will leave that up to satan, it his job but he is willing to accept all the help anyone wants to give him.

Recognizing that someone made a mistake is far from judging that person.

It is important to understand Scripture, especially if an attempt is being made to use it as a hammer, a practice that I do not endorse.

Breaking Down the Key Parts of John 7:24
#1 “Stop judging…”
Christians have always debated the definition of judging. It is true that we are not supposed to judge others, lest we be judged (Mt 7:1). That kind of judgment or judgmentalism is a way to play God, making yourself an idol and hating others for what you are judging in them.

#2 “…by mere appearances,”
Judging by appearance only is one form of judgmentalism. It is the sin of making assumptions about the whole from what the outside looks like, especially in the case of the Jews who rejected Christ and were being dishonest in their judgment. Not so deep down they understood what it would cost them if Jesus was the Messiah, and they lied to themselves by focusing on external things and the letter of the law as they had interpreted it. John 7:24 Meaning of Stop Judging by Mere Appearances

My understand of Christian Forum posting rules is that they are designed to discourage or eliminate posts that display or suggest, anger, judgment of others, attribution of the worst possible motives, condemnation, personal attacks, very little if any compassion for others, and the propensity to argue even minor points simply for the sake of arguing or in an attempt to bully someone.

Regarding your question as to how I can presume to call her actions a mistake without knowing what her motivation is, the answer to that is simple, she violated the law, that was a mistake, it makes no difference why she violated the law. Motivation is not an issue and at best it is subjective. if anyone can determine why people do what they do, they have a great talent that is worth millions.

 

[FireDragon76]

Just beware that people that resort to comparing themselves to "Jews in Germany" frequently have anti-Semitism in the wing. At the very least, it's talking over an oppressed minority and appropriating their suffering.

 

[Danthemailman]

The Vice president compared Jan. 6th to Pearl Harbor, which is an insult to those 2,000+ people who died that day, and to the survivors, not to mention the veterans of the war that followed.
Number of people killed in the Capitol on Jan. 6th: ONE.

Jim Jordan rips Kamala Harris for comparing Jan. 6 to 9/11, Pearl Harbor: ‘Disgusting’

 

[FireDragon76]

Jim Jordan rips Kamala Harris for comparing Jan. 6 to 9/11, Pearl Harbor: ‘Disgusting’

People have compared it to a war zone. In fact, one congressman said it was like Iraq:

Gallagher compares Capitol chaos to Iraq

 

[Danthemailman]

The "president" (joe) standing at the podium and referring to protesters as "insurrectionists" even though not a single person has been charged with, or found guilty of that crime…

FBI confirms there was no insurrection on Jan. 6

 

[Danthemailman]

People have compared it to a war zone. In fact, one congressman said it was like Iraq:

Gallagher compares Capitol chaos to Iraq

How many people died in Iraq? How many people died at the Capitol? A war zone is what multiple cities in the US looked like during the violent, destructive riots in the summer of 2020…but the left never cares to discuss that.