Marcus Lamb, founder of the Daystar Christian TV network, dies of COVID-19

[ArmenianJohn]

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Marcus Lamb, founder of the large Christian network Daystar, died Tuesday after contracting the coronavirus. Lamb’s network during the pandemic has made the virus a huge focus, calling it a satanic attack that should not be treated with vaccines. He was 64 years old.

Daystar is the second-largest Christian network in the world, according to [#1 Christian network] CBN News, a competitor, reaching 2 billion people worldwide. Its brand is a fluid, modern, charismatic faith, more about general good-vs-evil, miraculous healings and religious freedom than any specific denominational theology.

“There’s no doubt in my mind that this is a spiritual attack from the enemy," Lamb’s son, Jonathan, said on the network earlier this month about his father’s covid-19 bout, Relevantmagazine reported Tuesday.

“We were trying to treat the covid and pneumonia with the different protocols we use, including the ones we talk about on Daystar." [his wife said - she survived her own bout of COVID-19]

[with respect to those "different protocols"]

The network has hosted a series of videos and podcasts, including by [wife] Joni, speaking out against flu vaccines, HPV vaccines and others, and featured interviews with anti-vaccine advocates including Robert Kennedy Jr. and Simone Gold, who's a member of the controversial group America's Frontline Doctors.

The Lambs have also touted the use of unapproved treatments for COVID-19, including ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and National Institutes of Health have repeatedly warned against using these medications to treat COVID-19.

Snake oil hawker dies when his snake oil doesn't work. A legitimate, medical vaccine would have saved his life.

 

[Aldebaran]

Is it loving for a pastor to encourage people to reject medically approved vaccines in the middle of a pandemic? I think not.

Questioning me about whether the pastor was loving is a whataboutism, and is no excuse for you to be hateful. If you think the pastor was so terrible, then be the better man.

 

[Aldebaran]

It's not so much "rejoicing" as not paying respect to a fool who lead others astray in his folly.

Many people have tried treating ailments in ways that aren't the mainstream recommendations. Some have died, some have thrived.
Many have gotten the vaccine. Some have died of the vaccine, some have died of Covid.
But just because this pastor was one who died after trying alternative methods, it's no more cause for celebration than if someone like Dr. Fauci died after taking the vaccine he pushes so much.

 

[Aldebaran]

Snake oil hawker dies when his snake oil doesn't work. A legitimate, medical vaccine would have saved his life.

Speculation at this point is worthless.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Speculation at this point is worthless.

No speculation; simple facts.

 

[Aldebaran]

No speculation; simple facts.

"Facts" that you offered no support for. Therefore, speculation.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Many people have tried treating ailments in ways that aren't the mainstream recommendations. Some have died, some have thrived.

Snake oil has a notoriously low success rate, and yet people simply will not learn.

Many have gotten the vaccine. Some have died of the vaccine, some have died of Covid.

Who has died of the vaccine?

But just because this pastor was one who died after trying alternative methods, it's no more cause for celebration than if someone like Dr. Fauci died after taking the vaccine he pushes so much.

The difference being, had Dr. Fauci (or anyone else) died of the vaccine, that would have been a surprise.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

"Facts" that you offered no support for. Therefore, speculation.

The facts are right there in the article from the OP - the man advised snake oil treatments - all sorts of unproven medications and other methods to treat Covid and he preached against scientifically, medically approved vaccines. I'm not speculating on that at all, those are the facts. He chose his own snake oils over medicine.

 

[FireDragon76]

Many people have tried treating ailments in ways that aren't the mainstream recommendations. Some have died, some have thrived.
Many have gotten the vaccine. Some have died of the vaccine, some have died of Covid.
But just because this pastor was one who died after trying alternative methods, it's no more cause for celebration than if someone like Dr. Fauci died after taking the vaccine he pushes so much.

You're obscuring the issue. The pastor pushed pseudoscience to his gulllible followers. That makes him unethical.

 

[Aldebaran]

The facts are right there in the article from the OP - the man advised snake oil treatments - all sorts of unproven medications and other methods to treat Covid and he preached against scientifically, medically approved vaccines. I'm not speculating on that at all, those are the facts. He chose his own snake oils over medicine.

I see nowhere that he advised anything about snake oil. Are you sure you are reading it correctly?

 

[Aldebaran]

You're obscuring the issue. The pastor pushed pseudoscience to his gulllible followers. That makes him unethical.

Ethical people allow all points of view to be considered.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ethical people allow all points of view to be considered.

Correct. As you see the pastor was unethical since he pushed false views upon others rather than trying to learn what is actually happening.

By the way, when a person is spreading dangerous ideas it might not be ethical to allow all points to be considered. For example if one was espousing the idea to teach your children to gargle with lye, should such "points of view be considered"?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see nowhere that he advised anything about snake oil. Are you sure you are reading it correctly?

He did quite often. You might have run into some terminology that is beyond you.

 

[cow451]

It wasn’t an insult.

Didn’t take it as such.

 

[lismore]

Snake oil hawker dies when his snake oil doesn't work. A legitimate, medical vaccine would have saved his life.

Sadly there are many of these 'snake oil hawkers' around these days:

Missouri Sues Televangelist Jim Bakker For Selling Fake Coronavirus Cure

These people have nothing to do with the gospel or Christianity, a complete embarrassment. God Bless

 

[cow451]

Many people have tried treating ailments in ways that aren't the mainstream recommendations. Some have died, some have thrived.
Many have gotten the vaccine. Some have died of the vaccine, some have died of Covid.
But just because this pastor was one who died after trying alternative methods, it's no more cause for celebration than if someone like Dr. Fauci died after taking the vaccine he pushes so much.

His pushing of untruth is not excused. Sorry.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

how compassionate

It's not as if he died of something that was out of his control.

People tried to use the same line of "have some compassion" on me when Rush Limbaugh died of lung cancer. (after spending years smoking, and telling other people that anti-smoking efforts were a hoax, and that tobacco wasn't really all that bad for you).

I reserve for compassion for someone who gets killed for a reason outside of their control, not a person who deliberately made a dumb decision for political reasons (while also encouraging others to make that same reckless decision)

If a person spent the last 12 months telling everyone else that driving drunk actually wasn't so bad, and encouraging others to do the same, and gets loaded one night and runs his car off a cliff, I'm under no moral obligation to pretend that "it's a shame" or to feign sympathy...sorry.

Not to mention, the guy was a total scumbag... he's the same guy who exploited the PPP program. Applied for government funds for his "business" for Covid relief, and then used the money to purchase a Gulfstream V private jet (and then only paid back the money after Inside Edition busted him on it, and found out he was using it to fly his family around for vacations)

 

[Aldebaran]

Correct. As you see the pastor was unethical since he pushed false views upon others rather than trying to learn what is actually happening.

By the way, when a person is spreading dangerous ideas it might not be ethical to allow all points to be considered. For example if one was espousing the idea to teach your children to gargle with lye, should such "points of view be considered"?

Suppression of information is more dangerous than allowing people to decide for themselves.

 

[Aldebaran]

He did quite often. You might have run into some terminology that is beyond you.

Oh my! You believe I don't understand the terminology? Do you see your error now?

 

[cow451]

Suppression of information is more dangerous than allowing people to decide for themselves.

Misinformation is more dangerous than information from ignorant people with a public platform.