First omicron Covid case in U.S.---and it's a fully vaxxed person

[Aldebaran]

Yes I have.

When it comes to almost anything science based you seem to be always wrong.

See post #57.

 

[Subduction Zone]

See post #57.

What about it? Are you going into the toaster business?

 

[Bradskii]

Oh, I forgot. Colin Powell is just an anecdote now.

He was actually used as anecdotal evidence. Which isn't worth the paper it isn't printed on.

 

[Aldebaran]

What about it? Are you going into the toaster business?

I see that you missed the relevant part. You've been doing that regularly. Here's what's relevant:

"If you want science speak to a scientist. If you want Christian conversation come to a Christian forum."

Can you understand now why I'd direct your attention to that post after you wrote post #58? If not, I'll give you a basic explanation.

 

[durangodawood]

What a train wreck.

 

[Aldebaran]

He was actually used as anecdotal evidence. Which isn't worth the paper it isn't printed on.

Sounds like you're saying Colin Powell is suddenly worthless, and that his death from Covid (even after following CDC guidance, biden's guidance, internet forum member guidance, MSM liberal talking-head guidance, and stand-up comedian talk show host guidance about how we're supposed to get the jabs) was in vain.
Good reason to avoid getting it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see that you missed the relevant part. You've been doing that regularly. Here's what's relevant:

"If you want science speak to a scientist. If you want Christian conversation come to a Christian forum."

Can you understand now why I'd direct your attention to that post after you wrote post #58? If not, I'll give you a basic explanation.

Oh I see. You are admitting that you are wrong since we are discussing science here.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sounds like you're saying Colin Powell is suddenly worthless, and that his death from Covid (even after following CDC guidance, biden's guidance, internet forum member guidance, MSM liberal talking-head guidance, and stand-up comedian talk show host guidance about how we're supposed to get the jabs) was in vain.
Good reason to avoid getting it.

Nope. That looks more like that is projection on your part.

 

[A_Thinker]

(Is it just me, or does anyone else notice we have the exact same discussion with the same people over and over? They never refute the basics. Instead they peter out and then re-start the same discussion with a "new" topic).

We are in a propaganda war now ... facts don't matter ... just political loyalties ...

 

[A_Thinker]

The problem is that the vaccinated can spread the virus just as easily as the unvaccinated and since their symptoms will tend to be milder, they may be unaware they even have it and are spreading it. Meanwhile we demonize the unvaccinated as if they alone cause spread.

The facts are that the vaccinated don't spread virus as easily as the unvaccinated. Vaccines hinder every aspect of the virus' viability ... infectability, length of infection, spread, severity, etc.

The impatience with the unvaccinated is due to a legitimate concern for the welfare of say, all Americans ... reflecting the view that COVID is still a PUBLIC health concern, as opposed to a PRIVATE health concern.

What is not being uniformly acknowledged by all Americans ... is that a public health concern ... requires a public response. Getting vaccination numbers up into the 80-90th percentile ... is a matter of public health policy. It's not new ... it's been standard public health policy for at least a century now. For full participation in American public sphere, it's been required that American citizens be vaccinated against smallpox, polio, measles, diptheria, rubella, whooping cough, etc. for several decades now.

Public wrangling over this issue is like what we went through with smoking some few decades ago. Americans have the right to smoke, ... but the American public allows that right in smaller and smaller venues now ... to safeguard the majority non-smoking public.

COVID management will, ultimately, be largely the same ... with people having the right to vaccinate or not, ... but with the American majority deciding which public spaces will be off-limits to the unvaccinated.

When we make the shift to where COVID is considered to be more of a private health concern ... rather than a public health concern, ... the situation will begin to normalize.

 

[A_Thinker]

Everywhere I look that deals with public health they are telling the vaccinated to mask. If what I said was false then they would not be giving such advice.

You are trying to extract a qualitative conclusion ... from a, perhaps, tangentially related black and white issue.

If, say, policy is to recommend masking ... until the virus' r-number has dropped below 1 .... does that necessarily mean that all in the society have the same level of infectability ?

 

[A_Thinker]

That is more than offset by the fact that the unvaccinated are five times more likely to catch the virus. Though that is the updated figure taking the Delta Variant into consideration. It may change with the Omicron Variant. So yes, it is correct to blame the unvaccinated for spreading the disease more than the vaccinated.

And since international travel is all but banned for the unvaccinated it would be truly surprising if an unvaccinated person was the first to bring it here on an international flight.

Absolutely ... only vaccinated Americans would even be traveling outside of the country right now ...

 

[A_Thinker]

I've also heard of unvaccinated people getting it and having mild symptoms, or were even asymptomatic. At the same time, I've heard of people (such as Colin Powell) who were fully vaxxed and ended up dying of Covid. It seems that it could go either way no matter what.

It could go either way ... largely depending upon the age and health of the infected party ... but the vaccines allow many more people to survive exposure and/or infection ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Yes.

I left this site years ago because the same folks suck all the oxygen out of the room with zero reflection or personal growth.

It is exhausting and pointless. Frankly the same thing happened to Facebook.

It seems like most forums inevitably end up with a collection of obsessive, stubborn people that drive out normal, well adjusted people.

The obsessive and stubborn ... are people too. Sometimes, you just have to give them some space ...

 

[A_Thinker]

Sounds like you're saying Colin Powell is suddenly worthless, and that his death from Covid (even after following CDC guidance, biden's guidance, internet forum member guidance, MSM liberal talking-head guidance, and stand-up comedian talk show host guidance about how we're supposed to get the jabs) was in vain.
Good reason to avoid getting it.

Colin Powell's death falls into the current scientific projections.

Those Americans (or other) of advanced age ... and with significant co-morbidities (Colin Powell was undergoing treatment for cancer) ... are significantly put MORE at risk by exposure to COVID.

Standard treatment for cancer significantly increases your risk of fatal infection (due to a lowering of your body's own immune response).

Even the vaccine couldn't save him.

But ... the vaccine can save many others ... whose general health was better than Powell's ...

 

[KCfromNC]

The problem is that the vaccinated can spread the virus just as easily as the unvaccinated

Thanks for posting evidence for the idea presented in post #5.

 

[Hank77]

Everywhere I look that deals with public health they are telling the vaccinated to mask. If what I said was false then they would not be giving such advice.

The problem is that the vaccinated can spread the virus just as easily as the unvaccinated

I don't think so because...

"New research is showing that although some vaccinated people are still contracting COVID-19, they generally experience milder disease for a shorter period of time with a low viral load.

COVID-19 infections are rare and mild after vaccination

 

[sfs]

For those who care about reality rather than trying to score political points... Reports from SA are that lots of Omicron infections are occurring both in vaxed and in previously infected people. This pretty much has to be the case for the variant to be spreading so rapidly there, given how large a fraction of the population has probably been infected before. We don't know that existing immunity (from either source) reduces the amount of severe disease but it seems likely, both from South African reports and from experience with other viruses. So the prudent thing to do is take steps to have as thorough an immunity as possible when it arrives. That means, if you've been vaccinated, get boosted if possible; if you've been infected, get vaccinated.

 

[dqhall]

For those who care about reality rather than trying to score political points... Reports from SA are that lots of Omicron infections are occurring both in vaxed and in previously infected people. This pretty much has to be the case for the variant to be spreading so rapidly there, given how large a fraction of the population has probably been infected before. We don't know that existing immunity (from either source) reduces the amount of severe disease but it seems likely, both from South African reports and from experience with other viruses. So the prudent thing to do is take steps to have as thorough an immunity as possible when it arrives. That means, if you've been vaccinated, get boosted if possible; if you've been infected, get vaccinated.

It is too early to get enough data to estimate the potential damage of omicron. This article reports mild symptoms with 32 known cases in the U.K.
Omicron is causing ‘mild to severe illness’ - the 3 signs you need to know

A second article from Reuters confirms 32 cases in the U.K.
UK issues call to arms for Omicron booster drive

 

[sfs]

50 cases in Norway after a company party (Norway reports omicron cases linked to company party)

One case in Minnesota (News Release: Lab testing confirms state’s first COVID-19 case involving Omicron variant) -- but this person developed symptoms immediately after returning from an anime conference in New York City, one that was supposed to have 50,000 attendees.

ETA: On the other hand, if Omicron was spreading at the conference, we probably would have seen more cases by now.