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A travel ban is unlikely to completely contain this variant, though it might give a very useful delay.

A delay that would allow us to determine how contagious it is, how dangerous it is, if it can evade (partially or fully) any immunity granted by prior infections or vaccines, and if our regular testing for international travel will identify it. These will allow us to appropriately deal with the consequences of this variant of the virus.
 
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"The news about this new variant should make clearer than ever why this pandemic will not end until we have global vaccinations," Biden said in a statement.

There is a word missing above about what the controversial issue is, it should read like this:

"The news about this new variant should make clearer than ever why this pandemic will not end until we have forced global vaccinations," Biden said in a statement.

Why not require the same thing for the Flu?

Flu can be spread by migratory birds which on either side of this issue, we would agree it is impossible to stop. So how possible is it to produce a vaccine for 9 billion people?

I tend to believe it's like shuffling deck chairs on the unsinkable Titanic.
 
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"The news about this new variant should make clearer than ever why this pandemic will not end until we have global vaccinations," Biden said in a statement.

There is a word missing above about what the controversial issue is, it should read like this:

"The news about this new variant should make clearer than ever why this pandemic will not end until we have forced global vaccinations," Biden said in a statement.

Are you saying that the President's statement was edited, or are you trying to edit the President's statement?
 
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Why not require the same thing for the Flu?
Because it's an order of magnitude less deadly, has far fewer long term bad outcomes and much more effective treatments.
 
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Are you saying that the President's statement was edited, or are you trying to edit the President's statement?
I edited it for discussion purposes.

Because it's an order of magnitude less deadly, has far fewer long term bad outcomes and much more effective treatments.
One aspect within the discussion is, when does the good of one outweigh the good of the many compared to when does the good of many outweigh the good of the one?

Death on the other hand is not curable.
 
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Look, the whole issue of trying to stop variants is ridiculous.

Viruses constantly mutate, that’s what they do, that’s what they’re known for – all you have to do is look at the flu virus - every year there’s variants, and every year they have to modify the flu vaccine because of that.

Variants are never going to stop, and can’t be contained.

And the CDC has admitted that the COVID virus has a 99.5% survivability rate, so the fear mongering needs to stop.

The way they talk and spread fear about the COVID virus, you’d think it had a 99.5% death rate.
 
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Because it's an order of magnitude less deadly, has far fewer long term bad outcomes and much more effective treatments.
You are correct.

On the other hand, that's how the loss of freedom takes place. The first encroachments are more or less reasonable under emergency circumstances, but the next one less so, and gradually the government assumes absolute control. We see the pattern with the Biden administration, and it's not even a year old yet.
 
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Look, the whole issue of trying to stop variants is ridiculous.

Viruses constantly mutate, that’s what they do, that’s what they’re known for – all you have to do is look at the flu virus - every year there’s variants, and every year they have to modify the flu vaccine because of that.

Variants are never going to stop, and can’t be contained.

And the CDC has admitted that the COVID virus has a 99.5% survivability rate, so the fear mongering needs to stop.

The way they talk and spread fear about the COVID virus, you’d think it had a 99.5% death rate.

So you want to play this game again...

Without any adjustment for age (as your number has none), the typical death rate for influenza infections in the US is a little more than 1 death per 1000 infected persons. (Something like 1.2, or so, but the data isn't that precise.)

99.5% survivability is 0.5% fatality or 5 deaths per 1000 COVID infections. This is 4-5 times more deadly on a case-by-case basis than influenza.

Variants can be contained. By vaccination. To lessen transmission and bad outcomes (hospitalization, death, long COVID).

Variants can be prevented by stopping infections. If no one gets infected, no new mutations will occur.

[Approximately 0.1%, or 1 in 1000 of all Americans have already *died* of COVID. Certainly all of them have not been infected.]
 
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