Pro-Slavery Social Studies Textbook Approved in Louisiana

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It does? I read that. I felt no sympathy at all for the slave holder. I saw a woman who looked at people as nothing but property. A privileged life at the expense of others. It was interesting to hear her point of view. The mindset of the time is interesting. She grew up in it. It was fully acceptable. And I think how far we have come since then. I never once thought "that poor slave owner."

Looking at it with today's mind, she got what she deserved. It's too bad the slaves couldn't have kept the house.

Praise the Lord, I am so glad to hear that. Not that I suspected the worst of you as a person, just that you can't really tell from a random person on the internet.

I am a bit jaded based on how hard people fight to portray the confederacy in a good light. The long history of "massaging" the facts that are put into textbooks. There is a sizeable swath of the population that would read that same passage from the standpoint of that "poor little girl." Hence the people who wrote it.

Try reading it in their voice. It's gross.
 
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This assumption doesn't seems to be warranted. Saying that we'd like a balanced viewpoint presented to impressionable youth is a far cry from wanting to dumb kids down. Perhaps the enslaver's experience could have been a two paragraph insert to help explain why people continue to rehash the same wicked doctrine.
Coming from Australia, perhaps you are unfamiliar with the long history of neo-confederate organizations polluting public school text books with racist propaganda. To be fair, many in the states are not even aware of how insidious this propaganda is. Perhaps you have a similar situation with aboriginal history that would be helpful to understand the issue.

I had posters saying its good enough to say 'slavery is bad' and move on. If that is the extent of the US take on black slavery then your school system is in big trouble. I say teenagers should be shown facts and reasons why something is bad but also that they should be able to look at the opposing view and that should be discussed as well. Understanding someones point of view even when you disagree with them is not some terrible thing, as understanding how something happened can prevent it from happening again.

I have a working but not extensive knowledge of US history. As homeschoolers we actually took one year to look at US history; native, black and general some years back. It was quite challenging to find books that gave a balanced view. We managed to find books by both native and black authors as I felt that would be our best chance of gaining a proper overview.

From what I have seen the left is polluting your text books so I would not be surprised if neo-confederates are as well.
I am not saying this book is any kind of gem, its why I asked if anyone had seen all of it. But I don't believe in jumping to conclusions based on a couple of pages. Which goes along with wanting more facts and not someone spoon feeding me the 'It's bad' line. I will decide if something is bad after looking it over properly not on someones say so.

I don't know if our aboriginal studies are the best but I don't feel they are the worst either. From what I know of our state schools, I believe aboriginal studies are part of each years curriculum from grade 1 on.
I think overall the mistreatment of the aboriginal population has been acknowledged, especially the stolen generation. Our Government did make a public apology back in 2008. Of course there are always people around who will deny it just like there are people who deny the holocaust.
I don't know how much is covered in State school high school curriculum since we have always been homeschoolers.
Unsure for what grade/s this is, but lessons for Rabbit Proof Fence are available. I had our own kids watch it, it's a very good but heart wrenching film on the stolen generation and well worth watching if you ever want to learn more about Australian Aboriginal history.
http://curriculumproject.org/wp-content/uploads/Rabbit-Proof Fence Nov 10.pdf


Australian Curriculum Aboriginal Studies – Year 1 and Year 2 ebook | Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Histories and Cultures, Australian Curriculum, Early Childhood, Humanities and Social Sciences, Humanities and Social Sciences, Humanities and Social Sciences | Year 1, Year 2
How does that compare to US curriculum on Native American's?
 
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I had posters saying its good enough to say 'slavery is bad' and move on. If that is the extent of the US take on black slavery then your school system is in big trouble. I say teenagers should be shown facts and reasons why something is bad but also that they should be able to look at the opposing view and that should be discussed as well. Understanding someones point of view even when you disagree with them is not some terrible thing, as understanding how something happened can prevent it from happening again.

I think we're in big trouble. Some parts of the US get a decent accounting of this civil war, other areas not so much. I hope that it is better these days, but there has been a concerted effort in the south to not truly present the horror of slavery to school students. If kids truly understand, then the plight of southern slave owners can be used to see how this could happen, similarly to how we study run of the mill Germans for how they could have supported Nazis. However, if they were never taught how bad it was, then history books such as the one we're discussing only serve to reinforce their prejudice.

Our Government did make a public apology back in 2008. Of course there are always people around who will deny it just like there are people who deny the holocaust.

The U.S. government has yet to do any such thing, though individual states and church entities have apologized for Native American residential schools. Knowledge of forced residency schools for native children is spotty. It certainly was not taught when I was in school.


Looks like you all have some good curriculum. I'd be interested in watching that movie you referenced. I wouldn't say that something like that isn't taught in any US schools. Twenty years ago you'd have needed to take a high school U.S. history or Advanced Placement test to see something along those lines, if that.

From what I have seen the left is polluting your text books so I would not be surprised if neo-confederates are as well.

I'm not sure what you're referencing here. The "left" as it were is becoming culturally more dominant, so education will reflect that. The confederate pollution is not so neo. Perhaps I shouldn't have used that term. They've been at that for the last century, at least.
 
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I'm not sure what you're referencing here. The "left" as it were is becoming culturally more dominant, so education will reflect that. The confederate pollution is not so neo. Perhaps I shouldn't have used that term. They've been at that for the last century, at least.

This sort of thing:

 
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Praise the Lord, I am so glad to hear that. Not that I suspected the worst of you as a person, just that you can't really tell from a random person on the internet.

I am a bit jaded based on how hard people fight to portray the confederacy in a good light. The long history of "massaging" the facts that are put into textbooks. There is a sizeable swath of the population that would read that same passage from the standpoint of that "poor little girl." Hence the people who wrote it.

Try reading it in their voice. It's gross.

Sizeable? How big is sizeable to you. I don't know, perhaps all the white supremacists might, but they are not a "sizeable" amount of people. Less than 1%. The kKK population is .003. I know there are other groups but they are small.
 
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Some people equate teaching the awful facts with saying "its bad". And so they dont even want to teach facts because that would be "indoctrination".

What facts are these people so opposed to?
 
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I think we're in big trouble. Some parts of the US get a decent accounting of this civil war, other areas not so much. I hope that it is better these days, but there has been a concerted effort in the south to not truly present the horror of slavery to school students. If kids truly understand, then the plight of southern slave owners can be used to see how this could happen, similarly to how we study run of the mill Germans for how they could have supported Nazis. However, if they were never taught how bad it was, then history books such as the one we're discussing only serve to reinforce their prejudice.

I don't think our population has really any idea how Germans became nazis. We didn't even discuss the kinds of horrors that happened in and around the USSR or China or Cambodia. My gradeschool education of slavery was what I considered average, when it began, how it worked, the horrible nature of the shipping of slaves, abolitionists, slave riots/revolts, the underground railroad, key figures, and that's about it until the civil war.

And we watched Roots from beginning to end, there's a great scene in it where African tribesman OJ Simpson brags about his killing prowess or something.

Anyway, Civil War history taught a lot about the lead up...about new states being slave states or not. How the south ignored the ban on international slave trading. How the abolitionists kept growing in numbers. The civil war itself is barely given much consideration compared to all the other topics I just mentioned. I remember wondering why everyone stood in straight lines and fired at each other lol.

I guess you can describe it as incomplete. There's certainly a lot of misinformation about it that persisted.



The U.S. government has yet to do any such thing, though individual states and church entities have apologized for Native American residential schools. Knowledge of forced residency schools for native children is spotty. It certainly was not taught when I was in school.



Looks like you all have some good curriculum. I'd be interested in watching that movie you referenced. I wouldn't say that something like that isn't taught in any US schools. Twenty years ago you'd have needed to take a high school U.S. history or Advanced Placement test to see something along those lines, if that.



I'm not sure what you're referencing here. The "left" as it were is becoming culturally more dominant, so education will reflect that. The confederate pollution is not so neo. Perhaps I shouldn't have used that term. They've been at that for the last century, at least.[/QUOTE]
 
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I don't think our population has really any idea how Germans became nazis. We didn't even discuss the kinds of horrors that happened in and around the USSR or China or Cambodia. My gradeschool education of slavery was what I considered average, when it began, how it worked, the horrible nature of the shipping of slaves, abolitionists, slave riots/revolts, the underground railroad, key figures, and that's about it until the civil war.

And we watched Roots from beginning to end, there's a great scene in it where African tribesman OJ Simpson brags about his killing prowess or something.

Anyway, Civil War history taught a lot about the lead up...about new states being slave states or not. How the south ignored the ban on international slave trading. How the abolitionists kept growing in numbers. The civil war itself is barely given much consideration compared to all the other topics I just mentioned. I remember wondering why everyone stood in straight lines and fired at each other lol.

I guess you can describe it as incomplete. There's certainly a lot of misinformation about it that persisted.



The U.S. government has yet to do any such thing, though individual states and church entities have apologized for Native American residential schools. Knowledge of forced residency schools for native children is spotty. It certainly was not taught when I was in school.



Looks like you all have some good curriculum. I'd be interested in watching that movie you referenced. I wouldn't say that something like that isn't taught in any US schools. Twenty years ago you'd have needed to take a high school U.S. history or Advanced Placement test to see something along those lines, if that.



I'm not sure what you're referencing here. The "left" as it were is becoming culturally more dominant, so education will reflect that. The confederate pollution is not so neo. Perhaps I shouldn't have used that term. They've been at that for the last century, at least.
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I think you have a reply to one of my posts mixed in to your post.

I am interested in just how much American children are taught about native history.
(among other things) Finding good books by native authors for children wasn't easy.

Do American schools teach much world history or geography?
The fact some American teenager on a street video picked Australia as being North Korea on a world map wasn't reassuring. I laughed at the time, but wow... Wondering if I should be nervous.

It's strange that I a foreigner in a country thousands of miles away read a book about residential schools to my children meanwhile perhaps American children hadn't even heard about them. I do rather like culture and history though, plus as someone of Irish decent I emphasis with them. If you don't know, the Navajo and Hopi helped the Irish during the potato famine.
 
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I wasn't talking about that, just the part where they are force fed propaganda.
They don't get to make up their own minds by being presented a range of facts.
As long as you aren't talking about the collectivization of the means of production you aren't talking about communism and hence shouldn't use the word.
Force feeding propaganda isn't communism.

Paternoster's post...
Most reactionaries' understanding of Communism seems to stop at 'things we don't like'. Their thought process basically goes: Communism = bad, whatever I'm currently griping about = bad, so whatever I'm currently griping about = Communism.

If you actually study Communism, its history, theory, and implementation, then you'll discover that... yeah, it's pretty bad. Never been successfully done and probably never will be. But at least you'll know what it is.
...is still applicable.
 
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Can't have one without the other. Communism is antithetical to liberty, and human nature and human rights both have liberty as a foundational tenant. Therefore, communism, to implement, requires totalitarian action.
Correct, but that doesn't mean that the arrow goes in the other direction.
Communism is a form of totalitarianism but not all totalitarian regimes are communist.
Use the word correctly.
 
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Sizeable? How big is sizeable to you. I don't know, perhaps all the white supremacists might, but they are not a "sizeable" amount of people. Less than 1%. The kKK population is .003. I know there are other groups but they are small.

We all know how easy it is to take statistics out of context, but here is a decent article about how the country views the confederacy and civil war. If you were to give a poll asking if people support slavery/white supremacy the numbers would be much lower, thankfully. Unfortunately, there are many forms of prejudice that still work their way into public policy.
Public Opinion on the Confederate Flag and the Civil War | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

If an individual thinks that the civil war was all about states' rights and the confederate flag is a noble symbol of resistance, how are they going to read the intro to that text book chapter?
 
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This sort of thing:

As an individual child of God, Ben Shapiro is a totally worthwhile brother. I would find it interesting to be at a dinner party with him. However, his commentary is less than worthy of any of our time. I say this as someone who has already spent a decent amount of mine watching him. It is not edifying. Whatever truth he has, and I don't doubt that it may be there, is sullied by half-truth and slander. It is unbecoming a Christian.
 
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As an individual child of God, Ben Shapiro is a totally worthwhile brother. I would find it interesting to be at a dinner party with him. However, his commentary is less than worthy of any of our time. I say this as someone who has already spent a decent amount of mine watching him. It is not edifying. Whatever truth he has, and I don't doubt that it may be there, is sullied by half-truth and slander. It is unbecoming a Christian.

It's not just Ben Shapiro, he was simply easy to find to show an example. There are other similar things being brought to light by other people as well. We need to be very concerned with what is being taught. The public schools (that means government run schools here you may use different terminology) are not a Christ centered anymore, they are by their very nature secular and will follow secular culture and morals. The woke left is pushing a barrow and it is full of what feels good to them not Godly principles.
 
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We all know how easy it is to take statistics out of context, but here is a decent article about how the country views the confederacy and civil war. If you were to give a poll asking if people support slavery/white supremacy the numbers would be much lower, thankfully. Unfortunately, there are many forms of prejudice that still work their way into public policy.
Public Opinion on the Confederate Flag and the Civil War | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

If an individual thinks that the civil war was all about states' rights and the confederate flag is a noble symbol of resistance, how are they going to read the intro to that text book chapter?

I wonder how much of that is because of the left today trying to push the version of history that ways the Civil War was not about slavery. I've heard many on this board say that themselves.

But regardless of that, you said it yourself. White supremecy is not supported at all. And this textbook CLEARLY indicates slavery was an issue at the time and what the woman who owned slaves did as the north was coming.

And there isn't any prejudice that is in public policy.
 
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It's not just Ben Shapiro, he was simply easy to find to show an example. There are other similar things being brought to light by other people as well. We need to be very concerned with what is being taught. The public schools (that means government run schools here you may use different terminology) are not a Christ centered anymore, they are by their very nature secular and will follow secular culture and morals. The woke left is pushing a barrow and it is full of what feels good to them not Godly principles.
I was under the impression that we had had two World Wars while “God was in the schools”.
 
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As an individual child of God, Ben Shapiro is a totally worthwhile brother. I would find it interesting to be at a dinner party with him. However, his commentary is less than worthy of any of our time. I say this as someone who has already spent a decent amount of mine watching him. It is not edifying. Whatever truth he has, and I don't doubt that it may be there, is sullied by half-truth and slander. It is unbecoming a Christian.

His commentary is really relevant to our time. He is right on with what is going on today. Of we are not paying attention at least someone else is and can inform us of what is happening. People like him do not sugar coat what is happening. It's time to wake up.
 
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The public schools (that means government run schools here you may use different terminology) are not a Christ centered anymore, they are by their very nature secular and will follow secular culture and morals. The woke left is pushing a barrow and it is full of what feels good to them not Godly principles.

Public, government run schools here also follow secular culture. Twas ever thus. In the past Christian prayers were said in white schools segregated from their black brethren. Before that, in schools that denied education to their sisters in Christ. Hardly a rousing example of Christlike behavior. I for one am glad that the world is no longer using the trappings of Christ to justify exclusion.
 
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I was under the impression that we had had two World Wars while “God was in the schools”.

Is that an American saying? I honestly have no idea, I'm not American. Was God in the schools? Or was it lip service?
 
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I wonder how much of that is because of the left today trying to push the version of history that ways the Civil War was not about slavery. I've heard many on this board say that themselves.

I don't know what you are referring to. In my experience, it has always been the right wing trying to say that the civil war was about states' rights, not slavery. In any event, the statistics in the article were a sampling over the past thirty years, not a recent phenomenon.

But regardless of that, you said it yourself. White supremecy is not supported at all. And this textbook CLEARLY indicates slavery was an issue at the time and what the woman who owned slaves did as the north was coming.

White supremacy was not asked about, as such. That does not mean it wasn't supported, as praise for confederate generals and their flag indicates. The textbook clearly talks about slavery as an issue, an issue for how the "beset" slavers were going to maintain their property.

And there isn't any prejudice that is in public policy.

People have learned to not speak openly about their prejudiced. Their public policy is crafted accordingly. This makes it very difficult to decipher and discuss.
 
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