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That I can't make you feel better about this.Sorry for what?
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That I can't make you feel better about this.Sorry for what?
Ah. Sorry.I know, but I meant that the animal sacrifices were the original place where it was biblically referenced. It was a foreshadowing of what Christ would become for us, but the guy I was talking to labels himself as a non-believer, so I made reference to what he could look up in a book.
Not to disrupt the thread, but what's with all the protective gear? Coming from a rugby union and a rugby league background it seems like...overkill? And possibly more dangerous.
That I can't make you feel better about this.
Ok.I don't want to "feel better" about the regressive and anti-democratic elements of Christian doctrine and scripture. I'm finally freed by my lack of faith to despise them. It's quite refreshing.
Like a lot of things, its a spectrum with gray areas. And maybe Jefferson belongs on the "good" side of the gray area when its all said and done.
My point to you though was: its nothing like exhuming corpses, who can just as well lie in the dirt forgotten where no one has to see them. Its about places of honor in the public spaces we share and how to decide who belongs in them.
Escalation. It started as a bit of light padding to protect players in a variant of the sport already oriented toward collisions, then the protection got better, and the "protection" was being used as a weapon, requiring, of course, more protection. Fortunately, the organizers of various levels of the sport have been trying to reduce the weaponization of the protective gear. For starters they have (finally) made it a violation of the rules to use the hard helmet to hit other players. (In some cases resulting in ejection.)
Please it was never about him owning slaves. Not after 195 years after he died. It is about social control. You're telling me after so long there somehow someone today suddenly grew a righteous indignation towards these statues. His ownership of slaves is justification for the act not the root cause.
Unlike the former Soviets client states who immediately destroyed the statues of Soviet leaders after its fall. You're telling me that a generation that have never been enslaved find it inconceivable to have a statue of Jefferson that even their own grandfathers have no issues with?
To know who you rules over you know who you can't insult. And I know who in the West I can't insult.
First they come for the racist, then the racist adjacent, then the family, then all the way down the line. Finally one day they will come for you.
It's called giving an inch taking a yard.
It's called education. Rather than accept someone at face value ('Hey, he was a founding father, therefore...'), people are investigating a little more. Scraping off the bright surface veneer and checking to see what lies beneath. And sometimes what lies beneath is not very pleasant. But we need to know. We need to confront the truth. We need to accept that we're all fallible and that sometimes our heroes are not the knights in shining armour in the way that they've always been presented. That along with the great things that they did, they did wrong.
Yeah, we can fall back on the fact that it was different times and there were different views back then. But suggest to any given Christian that morality is relative and you'll get shot down. No sirree. What is morally wrong now has always been morally wrong. So that is how we must judge Jefferson. As a man of his times but as a man who actually knew he was doing wrong but did it anyway.
So should we laud him as one of the founding fathers of America and the writer of the constitution? Of course we should. But does that mean we ignore the man himself? Of course it doesn't.
So what about honouring him with a statue? Do we put one up and ignore the bad? Or tear one down and ignore the good? It's a difficult decision and I'll be honest with you - I don't have a simple answer. Because there isn't one. So simply writing this off as some left wing conspiracy and look out! They'll be coming for you next! is ignoring the subtleties of the argument and turning a difficult and important conversation into something akin to a bumper sticker slogan.
But then again, maybe you're not interested in being part of the conversation. That's your call.
Oh I don't know. Not like there is no pattern observable. Wait.....
Thats 1/3 of a yard in "football" units.The ball is roughly one foot long.
You do realize that having "founding father" statues up in the first place is about social control, right?Please it was never about him owning slaves. Not after 195 years after he died. It is about social control....
Do you think he knew it was wrong?
He actually inherited slaves, and was not able to legally free them because that would actually have been against the law at the time.
I don't think that's true. What law forbade freeing slaves? Particularly since Jefferson did make a deal with Sally Hemmings to free her children if she agreed to return from France with him.
To be fair, who said it wasn't consensual? People nowadays like to assume the worst about anyone who is white. I take it all with a grain of salt since most of it is assumed out of racial hatred of white people---uh, I mean "social justice".