Austria makes vaccines mandatory for EVERYONE

[Taodeching]

That’s bc is you don’t want it your child can be homeschooled until 18 when they decide if they want to be vaccinated.

Does anyone go stupid nuts over mandatory vaccines to go to school? No. Yet people are acting moronic over the COVID vaccine, honestly these anti-vax people all have an early death wish and more power to them then

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Does anyone go stupid nuts over mandatory vaccines to go to school? No. et people are now being moronic over the COVID vaccine, honestly these anti-vax people all have an early death wish and more power to them then

Again, it’s bc they have a choice to take the child out of school.

Mandatory vaccination of the general population by the government when not required under contract for employment is medical torture.

I don’t understand what the fuss from the anti vax people about governments requiring vaccination upon entering or exiting the country (that isn’t new but if you don’t want it you have the choice not to travel), or certain employers requiring it (if your employer requires you to have all current FDA vaccinations then that’s what you signed up for).

I’m talking about something very specific and only this.

I’m vaccinated. But it bc an issue of bodily autonomy. The government forcing anything in your body under threat is evil. Especially when it’s the entire population, too.
I don’t care what it is.

 

[Taodeching]

Yes, but that has nothing to do with SARS-COV1. Neither bioNtech nor Moderna did anything on SARS vaccination, they were focused on vaccination against certain types of cancer, until they became aware of the fact that their methods might help to develop a covid-19-vaccine. Moderna got money from the federal government of Germany, bioNrech had to look for other sources and finally cooperated with Pfizer ...

The research for a anti-SARS-vaccine was cut of when the epidemic was over. I don't know whether someone revived it when covid-19 appeared and so developed an anit-covid-19 vaccine, may be. But neither bioNtech nor Moderna did so. Both companies where founded years after SARS (2008 resp. 2010).

I'm not talking about SARS but the underlying idea of the vaccine itself which is mRNA, which had been an idea as far back as 1983, yes it has everything to SARS. Like I told you I did the research quite awhile ago. I am not going to argue nor belabor the point believe or not I do know what I am talking about

 

[ThisIsMe123]

I’m vaccinated. But it bc an issue of bodily autonomy. The government forcing anything in your body under threat is evil. Especially when it’s the entire population, too.
I don’t care what it is.

This isn't happening.

Someone posted something about being held down at gunpoint, and being given the shot, but this isn't happening. This is simply restricting people access to public spaces that are unvaccinated.

They can chose not to go to these public spaces unless their vaccinated...so...their choice.

 

[helmut]

But holding a full grown adult down while they are screaming at you “No!” while you’re trying to give them the vaccine is straight up medical torture.

Therefore no-one does so. Certainly not in Germany, and AFAIK not in Austria. Maybe in China ...

Resisting vaccination may result in a fine, if the pandemic worsens even in imprisonment. but not that "torture"you describe.

Also, I’m vaccinated. I’m not anti-vax. I’m anti-totalitarian, anti-authoritarian.

I'm anti-totalitarian, too. And when I see lies, as your horrifying picture above (welcher Verschwörungstheoretiker hat dir so was eingeflüstert?), or see how the Querfront activists act toward media and everyone who argues against them, I see a real danger for democracy in that movement.

I believe only God can tell me what to do in regards to my body. As in God is the first and last opinion I seek answers from regarding decisions about my body.

So you don't wash your hands before eating (see Mt 15:1-2,10,15-20 - or Mt 15,1-2.10.15-20 "in German"), you don't take pharmaceutics (since pharmakeia occurs only with a negative meaning in the NT, see Gal 5,20; Rev 9,21; 18,23, right? Or is there an inconsequence in what you say and what you do?

 

[helmut]

I'm not talking about SARS

You did, in the post I replied to. That was the point I contradicted.

 

[helmut]

If vaccinated people still get covid, how is that herd immunity?

Everybody has been too optimistic. From the start, it was thought that a 3rd shot would be necessary to let the immunization last for a long time, but the idea was this would be necessary only after about one year.

Now it turns out it is only half a year, or even less (depending on vaccine).

Many vaccines need 3 shots, tetanus is an example I know without looking into the net. Two shots within some weeks, a 3rd after one year, and then 10 years immunization. The odds are very high that after covid-19 booster, immunization will last several years.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Therefore no-one does so. Certainly not in Germany, and AFAIK not in Austria. Maybe in China ...

Resisting vaccination may result in a fine, if the pandemic worsens even in imprisonment. but not that "torture"you describe.


I'm anti-totalitarian, too. And when I see lies, as your horrifying picture above (welcher Verschwörungstheoretiker hat dir so was eingeflüstert?), or see how the Querfront activists act toward media and everyone who argues against them, I see a real danger for democracy in that movement.


So you don't wash your hands before eating (see Mt 15:1-2,10,15-20 - or Mt 15,1-2.10.15-20 "in German"), you don't take pharmaceutics (since pharmakeia occurs only with a negative meaning in the NT, see Gal 5,20; Rev 9,21; 18,23, right? Or is there an inconsequence in what you say and what you do?

You took Mt 15:1-2,10,15-20 out of context.
pharmakeia is about drugs in relation to sorcery ie hallucinogens.

Ich bin kein Verschwörungstheoretiker. Ich bin nur jemand, der nicht will, dass der Körper verletzt wird.

China ist dafür bekannt, dass es solche Dinge tut. Die Geschichte ist bekannt dafür, solche Dinge zu tun. Ich kümmere mich nicht um Geldstrafen oder Masken. Es ist, wie ich schon sagte, und nur das.
Aber wenn das nicht passiert, geht es mir gut.
Bei allem anderen bin ich mir nicht sicher, warum sie so verärgert sind.

 

[helmut]

You took Mt 15:1-2,10,15-20 out of context.

So what is the context I took it out of?

pharmakeia is about drugs in relation to sorcery ie hallucinogens.

But this is the word "pharmacy" (Pharamzie in German) is derived from.

Ich bin kein Verschwörungstheoretiker. Ich bin nur jemand, der nicht will, dass der Körper verletzt wird.

In did not say you were a conspiracy theorist (CT), but I asked you where you got a notion which is part of a CT from (at least it sounds like a part of a CT).

Aber wenn das nicht passiert, geht es mir gut.
Bei allem anderen bin ich mir nicht sicher, warum sie so verärgert sind.

They are furious because they were told such things happen, and they believed it without any basis - just because it fits their mistrust in authorities.

BTW: Too much German, do you want to migrate to the German forum (https://www.christianforums.com/threads/new-)forum-german.1179039/)?

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

So what is the context I took it out of?


But this is the word "pharmacy" (Pharamzie in German) is derived from.


In did not say you were a conspiracy theorist (CT), but I asked you where you got a notion which is part of a CT from (at least it sounds like a part of a CT).


They are furious because they were told such things happen, and they believed it without any basis - just because it fits their mistrust in authorities.

BTW: Too much German, do you want to migrate to the German forum (https://www.christianforums.com/threads/new-)forum-german.1179039/)?

No, it’s okay. I don’t speak German very well.
I didn’t get a conspiracy theory notion. It’s just that history has many examples of governments forcing the general population to do health procedures they were against or under threat.
So, it’s just there is a very clear line in the sand. Everything before that line (at least for me) is just fine.
I even get upset and believe that involuntary forced medication when one is mentally ill and involuntarily committed is a violation of bodily autonomy.
I have no issue with involuntary commitment, it’s involuntary forced medication.
This issue is very personal to me.

The context is that Matt 15:16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

Yes, we should wash our hands. But these things do not defile us spiritually.

Yes, that is the word origin of the word pharmacy. But it’s like the oracle of Delphi who used drugs to have “visions”. That is actual pharmakeia in context to how the term is used in the NT.

 

[helmut]

Yes, we should wash our hands. But these things do not defile us spiritually.

Yes, that is the word origin of the word pharmacy. But it’s like the oracle of Delphi who used drugs to have “visions”. That is actual pharmakeia in context to how the term is used in the NT.

This sounds as if there is nothing in the Bible which has a meaning for current medical procedures ... so your statement that only God can command is somewhat vague.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

This sounds as if there is nothing in the Bible which has a meaning for current medical procedures ... so your statement that only God can command is somewhat vague.

If you say so.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

When it gets to where those other people obese, smokers ECT are overrunning the hospitals coming in all at one time and causing other people to be unable to get treatment that is when I will have the same problem with them as I do with people who do not take the co-vid vaccine.

This is from nhs uk

In 2017/18 there were 10,660 hospital admissions with a primary diagnosis of obesity. This is similar to 2016/17 (10,705).

In 2017/18 there were 711 thousand hospital admissions where obesity was recorded as the primary or a secondary diagnosis. This is an increase of 15% on 2016/17, when there were 617 thousand admissions. Some (though not all) of this increase may be due to hospitals being more likely to record obesity as a secondary diagnosis than they were previously. See the Data Quality Statement for more information.
Part 1: Obesity related hospital admissions - NHS Digital

A study published in The Lancet Public Health shows a clear relationship between body weight and hospital admissions and costs, with increased admissions and associated costs for older women who are overweight or obese.

15% (£662 million) of annual hospital costs for the 6.6 million women aged 55 to 79 in England in 2013 were related to being overweight or obese.
The impact of obesity on hospital admissions and costs — Nuffield Department of Population Health

The third leading cause of deaths in England in July 2021 was...Malignant neoplasm of trachea bronchus and lung a.k.a. lung cancer, which is primarily caused by smoking, covid that month was 9th
Covid makes a comeback as one of top 10 causes of death in England - what are the others?

So obesity and smoking does bring a lot of people to hospitals annually. They are the reason why hospitals are packed. Do you even know how many serious health problems obesity causes? And btw obesity was on of the two biggest factors in covid deaths, so yes, there is a lot of obese covid patients in hospitals, and many would not have to be there if they weren't obese. Of course not everyone who is obese is because of poor life choices, but majority of people are.

What about now? Still don't have a problem with obese people and smokers heavily filling hospital beds? Do you see healthy young unvaccinated people filling up hospitals with covid? As I said, vaccinate the health and vulnerable, and who ever choses to, but don't make it mandatory for everyone including children who are barely affected by covid.

Here in England they complain there is not enough health workers because they are overwhelmed because of covid. So they make the vaccine mandatory for health workers, and 60,000 who refuse the vaccine have to leave. Very clever.

 

[loveofourlord]

In 1941 in my birth country Slovakia all the Jews were deemed dangerous so they banned them from public places etc. you know the story. We have to be careful what we wish for.

Do you honestly believe the government is doing this to protect the citizens? How many of these government are born again Christians? None, so they are evil. That does not mean they cannot make the right decision.

Here in UK we have 68% of population vaccinated, 90% are adults, many had the booster yet infections have doubled from previous year. Yes the deaths are lower and that great, so it certainly helps the old and vulnerable, yet it doesn't seem to stop the infections. So why make it mandatory? Why not give it to the old and vulnerable and let the youth make their own choice. Why is immunity not talked about? What about the natural immunity of those who had the covid, which is better than the vaccine. I could go on and on.

They cannot make the vaccines mandatory, it's illegal and totalitarian. Also there is this thing called Nuremberg code, this is totally breaking it.

ahhhh there it is, those that get off thinking this is some kind of new holocaust where being asked to save lives is akin to people dying, how mature.

 

[loveofourlord]

Were they mostly obese, smoking or having other civilization diseases like diabetes?

Must healthy people who care about their health and immunity risk vaccination complications or even death to protect people who generally do not care about their own health or longevity?

This argument is stupid when you factor in majority of Americans are obese and overweight, so guess what this aplies statistically to you. I wonder how many that are like, "Oh this only effects obse/overweight people fall under that category without realizing it.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

60,000 who refuse the vaccine have to leave. Very clever.

The irony of all this...is that those in the medical field that refuse the very thing they are suppose to uphold (virus mitigation practices)...have no business being in healthcare.

Or maybe not an irony, but a paradox?

 

[helmut]

So obesity and smoking does bring a lot of people to hospitals annually. They are the reason why hospitals are packed.

No, the hospitals were built to cover the "normal" illness cases, including those which are result of obesity and/or smoking.

You can't build hospital after hospital, all running with, say, 10% of their capacity in order to be prepared when a epidemic comes and people refuse to be vaccinated. So the only alternative to vaccination is lockdown after lockdown ...

As I said, vaccinate the health and vulnerable, and who ever choses to, but don't make it mandatory for everyone including children who are barely affected by covid.

There are doctors who say that the risk for children by covid-19 is higher than the risk of being vaccinated.

The German StiKo (ständige Impfkommission, "permanent commission on vaccination") is discussing child vaccination, it seems that it will recommend vaccination for age 6-11 only for children with certain health problems, and delay the decision on general child vaccination until more data is known (mostly from countries that do vaccine all children, like Israel).

Not being vaccinated has not only medical risks. Some parents want their child vaccinated because they don't want the kindergarten or primary school their children attend to be closed (bc of a local outbreak). The isolation caused by such means is not good for children and causes mental problems and even (psychosomatic?) health problems.

EDIT: many typos etc.

 

[trophy33]

This argument is stupid when you factor in majority of Americans are obese and overweight, so guess what this aplies statistically to you. I wonder how many that are like, "Oh this only effects obse/overweight people fall under that category without realizing it.

I think your reaction is not useful or informative in any way. And I am not American.

 

[alertandawake]

I wish I am completely wrong, but...what if I refuse a vaccine then what, will I be sent to an 'isolation camp'?

This is actually a very good question. I have often thought this myself

SO when we see countries that are fining people who refuse to be vaccinated, then what? What if fines doesn't make certain people cave in? Not a day goes by where I question the direction we are headed.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

This is actually a very good question. I have often thought this myself

SO when we see countries that are fining people who refuse to be vaccinated, then what? What if fines doesn't make certain people cave in? Not a day goes by where I question the direction we are headed.

Some people have already had to cave, if they need the vaccine to do something. A lot of those against the vaccine are now getting the vaccine, if they want to travel. So they had no choice but to get vaccinated.