Austria makes vaccines mandatory for EVERYONE

[Ivan Hlavanda]

• Austria has become the first European country to make Covid vaccines mandatory amid brutal wave of virus
• From February 1 everyone will be need to be jabbed or else face unspecified 'penalties', chancellor has said
• Alexander Schallenberg said that 'for too long' the government assumed herd immunity could be achieved voluntarily and that it is now time to 'face up to reality' by requiring people to protect themselves
• Also announced new lockdown to start Monday, with people only allowed to leave home for 'essential' reasons
• European leaders are rushing to impose new restrictions as it was revealed the continent's one-day case toll topped the previous wave yesterday, with 310,000 infections logged compared to 290,000 this time last year

Europe's Covid crisis: Austria makes vaccines mandatory for EVERYONE | Daily Mail Online

What are people's thoughts of this? Personally I think no government or anyone else has a right to do this. Some tough times ahead. Then again, if we are mere moments from Jesus' return, things are only going to get worse. Hold tight to Jesus, He is our only hope and salvation. Trust Him with all your heart!

 

[OnePath]

It's tyranny, of course, but most people will do it because they've been brainwashed into believing it's for some 'greater good'. This really isn't any different than if the government demanded everyone had their fingers amputated to reduce the death from assaults, shootings, and stabbings. It's just a minor medical procedure after all. What? You don't want to save lives?

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Go to a hospital and take a look at the effect Covid has on the staff. When you have a hospital full of Covid patients, you lose beds for all the "regular" stuff. My hospital is running on 60-70% of the needed staff. This means that the staff that is left is burned out and now they are looking to leave the medical field. That means even fewer beds to be staffed.

 

[helmut]

• Austria has become the first European country to make Covid vaccines mandatory amid brutal wave of virus
• From February 1 everyone will be need to be jabbed or else face unspecified 'penalties', chancellor has said
• Alexander Schallenberg said that 'for too long' the government assumed herd immunity could be achieved voluntarily and that it is now time to 'face up to reality' by requiring people to protect themselves
• Also announced new lockdown to start Monday, with people only allowed to leave home for 'essential' reasons
• European leaders are rushing to impose new restrictions as it was revealed the continent's one-day case toll topped the previous wave yesterday, with 310,000 infections logged compared to 290,000 this time last year

Europe's Covid crisis: Austria makes vaccines mandatory for EVERYONE | Daily Mail Online

What are people's thoughts of this? Personally I think no government or anyone else has a right to do this.

Well, this is the last resort to avoid many deaths.

On top of lies about the vaccines against Covid-19, which caused those who believed them to avoid vaccination, many people thought the pandemic was almost "over", making the people careless. And then it tuned out that immunisation protection fades after several months ...

As a result, there may not enough intensive care beds in the very near future for all those serious cases of Covid-19.

Germany may reach that point in a few weeks, if there is no change in the current trend.

Do you really want to say a government has not the right to protect the citizens? Those who get infected lightly whithout noticing is are a hazard to their fellows who might get severely ill, and even die of Covid-19! It would be very irresponsible not to do anything against that.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Well, this is the last resort to avoid many deaths.

On top of lies about the vaccines against Covid-19, which caused those who believed them to avoid vaccination, many people thought the pandemic was almost "over", making the people careless. And then it tuned out that immunisation protection fades after several months ...

As a result, there may not enough intensive care beds in the very near future for all those serious cases of Covid-19.

Germany may reach that point in a few weeks, if there is no change in the current trend.

Do you really want to say a government has not the right to protect the citizens? Those who get infected lightly whithout noticing is are a hazard to their fellows who might get severely ill, and even die of Covid-19! It would be very irresponsible not to do anything against that.

In 1941 in my birth country Slovakia all the Jews were deemed dangerous so they banned them from public places etc. you know the story. We have to be careful what we wish for.

Do you honestly believe the government is doing this to protect the citizens? How many of these government are born again Christians? None, so they are evil. That does not mean they cannot make the right decision.

Here in UK we have 68% of population vaccinated, 90% are adults, many had the booster yet infections have doubled from previous year. Yes the deaths are lower and that great, so it certainly helps the old and vulnerable, yet it doesn't seem to stop the infections. So why make it mandatory? Why not give it to the old and vulnerable and let the youth make their own choice. Why is immunity not talked about? What about the natural immunity of those who had the covid, which is better than the vaccine. I could go on and on.

They cannot make the vaccines mandatory, it's illegal and totalitarian. Also there is this thing called Nuremberg code, this is totally breaking it.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Also, if we make the vaccines mandatory, who is then going to be responsible for side effects and deaths? The government? The pharma industry? This is so wrong on so many levels.

 

[helmut]

This really isn't any different than if the government demanded everyone had their fingers amputated to reduce the death from assaults, shootings, and stabbings. It's just a minor medical procedure after all. What? You don't want to save lives?

Well, losing a finger is quite different from a bit of fever or other minor inconveniences.

There is some risk that the vaccine will produce similar effects as the virus does, because it is similar to the virus in structure (in order to stimulate the immune system). Any such risk is a lesser hazard than the hazard of an infection (less probable and/or less severe).

You have the choice between the lesser risk (vaccination) or greater risk (get Covid-19). And since you becoming infectious is also a risk for other people, you may compare mandatory vaccination to a law that forbid to wear a weapon with the safety lever on "unlocked", so at every moment there may be an unwanted shot from it ...

 

[helmut]

Also, if we make the vaccines mandatory, who is then going to be responsible for side effects and deaths? The government? The pharma industry? This is so wrong on so many levels.

If vaccination is not made mandatory: Who is responsible for the deaths that could have been avoided by this mean?

 

[helmut]

In 1941 in my birth country Slovakia all the Jews were deemed dangerous so they banned them from public places etc. you know the story. We have to be careful what we wish for.

What is that? Do you compare Jews to a disease which caused 11,951 deaths in Austria and 5,151,095 worldwide? With a sharp rise in new infections, and (with the usual latency) a sharp rise in deadly outcomes?

Do you honestly believe the government is doing this to protect the citizens?

Why else?

Here in UK we have 68% of population vaccinated, 90% are adults, many had the booster yet infections have doubled from previous year.

This a consequence of the "freedom day".

Yes the deaths are lower and that great, so it certainly helps the old and vulnerable, yet it doesn't seem to stop the infections.

If 100% got boostered, the infection would die out (unless a new mutation appears ...). And Austria does not have your vaccination rates. Israel shows that vaccination helps, and propaganda against it is a sort of indirect killing.

They cannot make the vaccines mandatory, it's illegal and totalitarian. Also there is this thing called Nuremberg code, this is totally breaking it.

Vaccinatiion could made mandatory in case of pocks, polio and other diseases, why should Covid-19 be an exception?

 

[OnePath]

Well, losing a finger is quite different from a bit of fever or other minor inconveniences.

There is some risk that the vaccine will produce similar effects as the virus does, because it is similar to the virus in structure (in order to stimulate the immune system). Any such risk is a lesser hazard than the hazard of an infection (less probable and/or less severe).

You have the choice between the lesser risk (vaccination) or greater risk (get Covid-19). And since you becoming infectious is also a risk for other people, you may compare mandatory vaccination to a law that forbid to wear a weapon with the safety lever on "unlocked", so at every moment there may be an unwanted shot from it ...

This isn't about the vaccine. It's about governmental tyranny. If you think the vaccine is good, get it, but if you desire the government to require it, then when they come for your fingers to 'save lives', don't come whining to me.

 

[helmut]

This isn't about the vaccine. It's about governmental tyranny. If you think the vaccine is good, get it

In order for me to be protected my neighbor also has to get it!

And which lie do you believe, so it lets you compare vaccination to cutting fingers?

 

[OnePath]

In order for me to be protected my neighbor also has to get it!

And which lie do you believe, so it lets you compare vaccination to cutting fingers?

No, your neighbor doesn't need it for you to be 'protected'. If you think that, then don't bother with it as that's just an admission of its worthlessness. But again, I'm talking about governmental tyranny, not the vaccine. Please try to understand that.

 

[trophy33]

• Austria has become the first European country to make Covid vaccines mandatory amid brutal wave of virus...

Hold tight to Jesus, He is our only hope and salvation. Trust Him with all your heart!

Not sure how this is related. Christians will have to get vaccinated too, in Austria.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

What is that? Do you compare Jews to a disease which caused 11,951 deaths in Austria and 5,151,095 worldwide? With a sharp rise in new infections, and (with the usual latency) a sharp rise in deadly outcomes?

The Holocaust didn't start with the trains to the camps either, but by slowly discriminating Jews. I wish I am completely wrong, but...what if I refuse a vaccine then what, will I be sent to an 'isolation camp'?

Why else?

99.9% people in the government are not born again Christians, that means they are evil and their father is Satan (John 8). The government doesn't care about protecting the citizens and cares about the power and control.

If the government cared so much about the citizens, why don't they do everything to protect people from catching it? I.e. vitamins D, zinc etc. tell people to lose weight and eat healthy. Do you know the number one causes for covid deaths other than old age? Obesity and low vitamin D levels. If they care about the health so much, why don't they ban alcohol, smoking etc.? Oh wait that makes too much money, never mind.

I don't have the jab and when I got a sneeze from cold I stayed home from work, not because they asked me to but because it makes common sense. Now many of my colleagues got vaccinated, and they came to work even when they were coughing like chain smokers...well they are protected now, so they can't possible spread it....this is another problem.

Please tell me why a young healthy person with good vitamin D levels, with excellent immunity who already had covid must take the vaccines then the risks are far higher than the benefits? Where is the logic? And what if they refuse? Give them a yellow star?

Also in many countries, when you get covid, you are told to stay at home, and they barely give you anything, maybe paracetamol. Don't see the doctor unless your symptoms are very bad, like in my birth country Slovakia, your oxygen levels must drop below 90% to get treatment. Then it is too late.

 

[trophy33]

The EU parliament resolution no. 2361:

7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is not mandatory and that no one is under political, social or other pressure to be vaccinated if they do not wish to do so;

7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;


https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html

 

[helmut]

No, your neighbor doesn't need it for you to be 'protected'.

Suppose that, out of a sudden, I become an emergency case (cardiac infarction, car accident, or whatever you think likely). I need an intensive care bed in hospital, bit there are no beds left because of so many Covid-19 patients. The staff searches the medical net and then transports me two hours to an hospital which has a free bed ... because so many idiots did not get vaccination!

And you say those guys are no hazard for me?

I need a responsible government that gets them vaccinated, or order a severe lockdown or something like this, so that this scenario (which is sort of near future in Austria, an not far future in Germany) will be avoided. Not one that respects the freedom to endanger oneself and other people.

 

[OnePath]

I need a responsible government that gets them vaccinated, or order a severe lockdown or something like this, so that this scenario (which is sort of near future in Austria, an not far future in Germany) will be avoided. Not one that respects the freedom to endanger oneself and other people.

So, you support governemental tyranny, forcing its will on others, in cases where you perceive some form of personal benefit. Got it. FYI, that's a form of narcissistic behavior, just in case you weren't aware.

 

[helmut]

The Holocaust didn't start with the trains to the camps either, but by slowly discriminating Jews. I wish I am completely wrong, but...what if I refuse a vaccine then what, will I be sent to an 'isolation camp'?

Maybe in Russia, but AFAIK not in Austria, and certainly not in Germany (where medical staff and other groups have to get mandatory vaccination).

The Holocaust started with antisemitic lies, so if you want to draw a parallel, compare the antisemitc lies 100 years ago with the current lies about vaccination ...

99.9% people in the government are not born again Christians, that means they are evil and their father is Satan (John 8).

It'a new to me that John 8 speaks about governments.

What does the bible tell about governments?

Rm 13:1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
...
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

The then ruling institution was the senate of Rome, 100% heathen, and there also was a ruler which did not care much (so the Senate did most of the work), his name was Nero. According to you Paulus should have written otherwise.

The government doesn't care about protecting the citizens and cares about the power and control.

This is only partly true.

As long as the government does not act against our Christian belief, we should obey. This is what the Bible tells. Is vaccination against the Gospel? No.

If the government cared so much about the citizens, why don't they do everything to protect people from catching it? I.e. vitamins D, zinc etc. tell people to lose weight and eat healthy. Do you know the number one causes for covid deaths other than old age? Obesity and low vitamin D levels. If they care about the health so much, why don't they ban alcohol, smoking etc.? Oh wait that makes too much money, never mind.

It is not only the money: How can you force people to change their daily habit? To force them to go to a vaccination point (doctor, hospital, "Spot" designated for covid-19-vaccination) is easier, so the rather tyranny methods you have in mind can be avoided.

Now many of my colleagues got vaccinated, and they came to work even when they were coughing like chain smokers...well they are protected now, so they can't possible spread it....this is another problem.

They still can spread flu or other infections they are not vaccinated against.

Please tell me why a young healthy person with good vitamin D levels, with excellent immunity who already had covid must take the vaccines then the risks are far higher than the benefits?

What risk?

• The doctor and/or his staff may be careless, so the vaccination causes an infection (which some bacteria on the needle, or so)
• The vaccine, being close to the virus (usually a part of virus protein) causes similar effects as the virus itself (like the infarction occurring in AstraZeneca vaccinated females) - these effects are by rule (I now no exception) less severe than an actual infection (less probable and/or less dangerous resp. lethal).

So where is the risk with a vaccine that is higher than the benefits?

... Don't see the doctor unless your symptoms are very bad, like in my birth country Slovakia, your oxygen levels must drop below 90% to get treatment. Then it is too late.

If the health care is in a poor state, this may be the best that can be done. But this does not mean we should acrt like that as if we had no better choice.

 

[helmut]

So, you support governemental tyranny, forcing its will on others, in cases where you perceive some form of personal benefit. Got it. FYI, that's a form of narcissistic behavior, just in case you weren't aware.

It is not just personal benefit. I probably will never get in such a situation (but who knows?), but certainly many will die if nothing is done against the pandemic. I think about these victims in general.

I even thought of formulating my text as if you were the one who needed an intensive care, but since you don't live in a country with a situation comparable to Austria, I refrained from that.

I still don't understand how you can consider vaccination that bad as to call it tyranny to have it mandatory. What about

• forcing drivers to drive on one side (UK left, A right) of the street? Unlike vaccination, this a permanent thing to do, not just one visit ...
• Forcing house owners to make their buildings fire-proof? Unlike vaccination, this is rather costly (expensive) ...

These are just two of hundreds of regulation that are more severe than mandatory vaccination, and so any government that imposes such rules should be (according to what you right here) called a tyranny.

 

[Albion]

Maybe in Russia, but AFAIK not in Austria, and certainly not in Germany (where medical staff and other groups have to get mandatory vaccination).

The Holocaust started with antisemitic lies, so if you want to draw a parallel, compare the antisemitc lies 100 years ago with the current lies about vaccination ...

That's a worthwhile point and deserves consideration. However, two qualifications immediately come to mind.

1. When some tyranny has descended upon a nation or people in the past, the course of events has usually been that, first, there's some mild regulation that comes with an explanation, then there's something a little bit more confining, than after awhile the camps and deportations appear...and the people victimized never thought it would go that far.

2. The idea I'll call "Not here. Not in this free country. Maybe in some other place, but we're not like that" was also in evidence.

Since the pre-war Jews were cited in this discussion, that is exactly the pattern that they experienced.