Genesis is Barely Literal

[klutedavid]

No .... Jesus gave us the details of the basic 10.

Isaiah 42:21

21The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Matthew 22

37Jesus declared, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’e 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”



so how do you see it?

If we are not under the ceremonial law. Then it follows that we can eat meat with the blood in it. Which would be a violation of Acts 15.

Acts 15:20
But that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

You need to explain yourself.

 

[dóxatotheó]

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

I never said Jesus didnt incarnate you completely misconstrued what I said, Jesus came incarnate from MARY, he wasnt always incarnate before that what the heck are you talking about.

I will be back when I have time.

But yes do show us all the scriptural backup you are using to disprove 6 day creation and the global flood.

Bro this thread isnt about specific views on Genesis. Secondly, the 6000 years view and universal flood view I already made threads on.

I am always interested in seeing accounts given in The Bible of events that have happened, to be proven that they did not occur.
Of course you will only use The Bible to do this.

As scripture interprets scripture, and clarifies and brings to light, areas of scripture that are more difficult to understand.

So by all means, show these verses in The bible that disprove the flood.

I gave you the thread where I focus on this topic if you want to know my views and my arguments by all means go to the thread this isnt a focus on a particular topic. Secondly, bible interpretations will make us not see eye to eye on certain topics.

I work with the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?

John 1:v.1 to 3 and 9 to 14 - BELIEVE IN THE WORD OF GOD. The Word is Truth, Light and Life.
1 In the beginning-in JESUS-was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in JESUS (the beginning) with God.

3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I literally never said he didnt BECOME incarnate, Jesus was made flesh he wasnt always flesh you disprove yourself trying to disprove me.

 

[d taylor]

I gave you the thread where I focus on this topic if you want to know my views and my arguments by all means go to the thread this isnt a focus on a particular topic. Secondly, bible interpretations will make us not see eye to eye on certain topics.

The good ole Bible interpretation dodge, well then what area is there that will, all bring us together, so that we will see eye to eye.

Oh i know, by just simply agreeing to what you believe.

 

[dóxatotheó]

The good ole Bible interpretation dodge, well then what area is there that will, all bring us together, so that we will see eye to eye.

Oh i know, by just simply agreeing to what you believe.

or maybe you should understand that the genealogical accords are means of hebrew understanding.

 

[Jipsah]

What you believe or don't believe doesn't alter the Word of God one little bit.... People have hammered away at Gods Word for centuries ....those people are dead and gone ...Gods Word still stands

OK, who owns the cattle that aren't on God's 1000 hills?

 

[d taylor]

or maybe you should understand that the genealogical accords are means of hebrew understanding.

When The Plain Sense of Scripture Makes Common Sense, Seek no Other Sense; Therefore, Take Every Word at its Primary, Ordinary, Usual, Literal Meaning. Unless the Facts of the Immediate Context, Studied in the Light of Related Passages and Axiomatic and Fundamental Truths Indicate Clearly Otherwise.

 

[Jipsah]

Ok you do not believe Genesis, well this may be news to you but you are not the first to hold this view.

Lessee, Genesis says God created eveything, and explicitly created human beings, they were created perfect, they fell, their falleness passed along to their offspring, they lost Paradise, on and on. Seven day creation? Nah, that's us trying to impose out understanding of time on God. One human day can equal 1000 God years, 1000 human years can equal one Go day. Trying to bind God to our limitations regarding time is simply dumb. Same wig creation details. Did God get a lump of dirt and make Adam out of it? No, but He did make Adam out of the same stuff that He made everything else from. Did He make Eve out of one of Adam's ribs? No, but He made her physically like him. The lessons are there. You want technical details? Sorry, none are forthcoming. Scientists and engineers have to get their data elsewhere, and to think you're getting them friom Genesis is silly. That was never the point. The point is that God created everything that is, over time. Full stop.

 

[Jipsah]

The good ole Bible interpretation dodge, well then what area is there that will, all bring us together, so that we will see eye to eye.
Oh i know, by just simply agreeing to what you believe.

How about by going outside and looking at God's creation and seeing how it actually works rather than insisting that it has to conform to your misunderstanding of the Scripture? When God's Creation doesn't conform to your understanding of Scripture, you can bet your very last piastre that it's your understanding of Scripture that's in error.

 

[d taylor]

How about by going outside and looking at God's creation and seeing how it actually works rather than insisting that it has to conform to your misunderstanding of the Scripture? When God's Creation doesn't conform to your understanding of Scripture, you can bet your very last piastre that it's your understanding of Scripture that's in error.

I do, i see most every day/night (when the raqia is clear and not cloudy) God"s creation working just like it is stated in The Bible. The three lights, God created (two great lights and the stars) moving over the earth in the raqia, where God placed them.

 

[NBB]

no .... it's what the bible teaches ..... only God is immortal .... humans are mortal

yes, we have heart, mind, feelings .... they perish when die ...

Those in Christ never die .... they sleep a dormant sleep and will be resurrected Lazeras is dead .... I go to wake him up ... so says Jesus.

Lazaras .... at death did his "immortal soul" go somewhere when He died? If so where did it go? If so who or how did it "get stuffed" back into him?

The traditional concept of an immaterial and immortal soul distinct from the body was not found in Judaism before the Babylonian exile,but developed as a result of interaction with Persian and Hellenistic philosophies.

Soul in the Bible - Wikipedia

Many modern theologians reject the view that the Bible teaches the doctrine of the immortal soul,and Hebblethwaite claims the doctrine is "not popular amongst Christian theologians or among Christian philosophers today" (not just Ellen White).

and knowledge will increase and it is increasing.

Have your opinion... i guess i will keep mine, thanks, have a good day, like i said i experienced things that showed me that i do have a soul, so i'm not speaking just in theory. The heart is spiritual is the one that gets angry, hold grudges, and loves, thinks some personal things, etc, the bible talks about soul and spirit too, making a distinction about them and the body.
Also i have no idea if a soul can live without a body, like experience things... maybe yes maybe not. I have not strong opinion on this.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Why is a literal interpretation of Gen 1 and 2 so offensive to so many? Could it be that they're married to the world, to the pseudosciences of modern cosmology and evolutionary biology?

What if the earth is flat, stationary and enclosed? What if it's less than 10,000 years old? Why not just accept the plain meaning of the text and laugh in derision at the world and its vain imaginings? It's very liberating, I can assure you.

 

[NBB]

Why is a literal interpretation of Gen 1 and 2 so offensive to so many? Could it be that they're married to the world, to the pseudosciences of modern cosmology and evolutionary biology?

What if the earth is flat, stationary and enclosed? What if it's less than 10,000 years old? Why not just accept the plain meaning of the text and laugh in derision at the world and its vain imaginings? It's very liberating, I can assure you.

'pseudosciences' of modern comsology, i agree evolution is pseudoscience, God created us and we have a soul and spirit that alone defeats evolution theory as is taught by evolutionists, but about the planets and stars, you know there are software that can predict the planets and star position even for years with accuracy, and you can check them yourself with your eyes, this a model made from reality, this alone makes flat earth not pseudoscience but just stupid sorry.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

software that can predict the planets and star position even for years with accuracy, and you can check them yourself with your eyes, this a model made from reality, this alone makes flat earth not pseudoscience but just stupid sorry.

I'd suggest looking a little closer to home with reasoning like that, sir. The celestial motions are only predicted from an earth centered inertial reference frame, ie on the assumption of a stationary earth relative to the heavens. So there's geocentricity, supported by your wacky software.

As for the shape, why not ask your software why Mercury is visible at night?

 

[NBB]

I'd suggest looking a little closer to home with reasoning like that, sir. The celestial motions are only predicted from an earth centered inertial reference frame, ie on the assumption of a stationary earth relative to the heavens. So there's geocentricity, supported by your wacky software.

As for the shape, why not ask your software why Mercury is visible at night?

With software you can go to any position on the 'galaxy' or earth and see how the system works, the planets and stars are going to be where the software points them to be if you check the sky, this only can mean the software is just a model of reality, and can predict planets and star movements for centuries even.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

With software you can go to any position on the 'galaxy' or earth and see how the system works, the planets and stars are going to be where the software points them to be if you check the sky, this only can mean the software is just a model of reality, and can predict planets and star movements for centuries even.

Not at all. Let's see your software show Mercury being visible at night.

Your software is a cunningly devised deception, that's all.

The ancient Antikythera device predicted the motions of sun, moon and major planets including eclipses, done on a geocentric model.

The earth is stationary - find me any real physical or observational evidence of its supposed high-velocity motions in space.

 

[NBB]

Not at all. Let's see your software show Mercury being visible at night.

Your software is a cunningly devised deception, that's all.

The ancient Antikythera device predicted the motions of sun, moon and major planets including eclipses, done on a geocentric model.

The earth is stationary - find me any real physical or observational evidence of its supposed high-velocity motions in space.

'cunningly devised deception' sorry but you are too extreme on the conspiracy theory side. I hate those conspiracy theories that only confuse people, they lie more than the politicians and govt. thats for sure, making up stories.

 

[coffee4u]

I believe that like 60% of Genesis isn't literal like the 7 days arent literal for creation and a universal flood didn't happen but at a specific place which all creation was present at. I also believe that Adam and Eve were infact humans but they weren't flat out homosapiens right of the back they probably was one of the evolve creatures in Richard Dawkins theory(Not saying they wasnt but the possibility of that is almost 0-1) I just dont believe Adam and eve were like us in anyway when they first was created because fossils ¨prove¨ we evolved but I not saying evolution is true just saying its a possibility of the sort but I do believe the genealogy thats a fact people may respond if they disagree but I myself just dont see Genesis as Literal.

Bro this thread isnt about specific views on Genesis. Secondly, the 6000 years view and universal flood view I already made threads on.

Really? Then what exactly is on? Apart from your obvious denial of scripture.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

'cunningly devised deception' sorry but you are too extreme on the conspiracy theory side. I hate those conspiracy theories that only confuse people, they lie more than the politicians and govt. thats for sure, making up stories.

You can't use software modelling as evidence. That's just stupid. Real evidence is based on real science, which is done by the scientific method, experiment and observation. And every single experiment and observation to show the earth is in motion or ball-shaped has failed miserably. That's why we're stuck with the tyranny of fakery now. Many have fallen for it.

 

[NBB]

You can't use software modelling as evidence. That's just stupid. Real evidence is based on real science, which is done by the scientific method, experiment and observation. And every single experiment and observation to show the earth is in motion or ball-shaped has failed miserably. That's why we're stuck with the tyranny of fakery now. Many have fallen for it.

The software pinpoints every star and planet position for centuries... you are getting it? you can check it yourself! more 'sciency' than this it can't get.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

The software pinpoints every star and planet position for centuries... you are getting it? you can check it yourself! more 'sciency' than this it can't get.

'For centuries' - prove it lol.
They've no idea of stellar or even planetary distances. It all moves as a 'set piece' apart from the planets, the wandering stars. It's like saying the earth is a globe because we have a globe map. No, everything is traditionally charted on plane table methods, then projected on to a 3D sphere by various mathematical algorithms. Doesn't make it true. And as I said, go see if your software shows Mercury visible at night, right there's a falsifying observation.